Genesis coupe competing with sti,350z,evo,srt4

[bkprodigy]

don't be so butt hurt. back on topic!

 

[bluetwo]

It comes down to the internals doesn't it? Lots of people are already saying the upgrade parts will be interchangable and by people I mean writers in magazines and stuff.

So are the internals really cast? Ha ha, and if so is that really the end of the world? Or will this engine be able to make upwards of 300 HP with a turbo upgrade (fuel pump, maybe injectors, intercooler too)?

 

[blues2k03]

If the internals are cast, it's not the end of the world. From what I've heard, it has a TD04 mitsu turbo, which is similar to the turbo that was in the 02-07 WRX. I wouldn't expect big horsepower from a turbo this small, since it's designed for a faster spool.

 

[JohnnyK]

I think you are right, I think the WRX/EVO market will take the biggest hit, I can't imagine Infinity will loose a lot of it's G37 sales...

Infinity actually did lose a G37 sale because of the Genesis. I almost bought a 2008 in December but ended up passing when my friend told me about the Genesis Coupe. To me this was an apples to apples car. The WHP on the V6 is very close and so are the features. (I ended up going with the 2.0T Track due to EVO block engine and the pre-existing tuner market but that is beside the point)

I think if any luxury car is going to get hurt by the coupe it will be the G37. Especially if people are being tight with there money. 5-8Gs goes a long way.

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[FasterFaster]

It would cost a LOT to upgrade this engine to the Evo X spec, and people are blowing that engine with < 450 WHP.

I do think with a 3071r turbo and upgraded fuel, cooling, intake, exhaust, etc. it will probably put down > 300 WHP without breaking...how much over 300 WHP is a question it will be interesting to find the answer to, as long as it's not MY engine that pops.

The R-spec with, say, 320 WHP will be a monster since it's lighter and has all the go-fast goodies.

So, $23.5k for the R-spec, $5k for the upgrades, and Viola! you've got something that will kill an untuned Evo.

 

[bkprodigy]

It would cost a LOT to upgrade this engine to the Evo X spec, and people are blowing that engine with < 450 WHP.

Wrong info.

 

[FasterFaster]

Wrong info.

Here's one: http://www.lancerregister.com/showthread.php?t=246764

 

[bkprodigy]

Here's one: http://www.lancerregister.com/showthread.php?t=246764

Engine's power threshold in its stock configuration has so many things to consider. State of tune, parts used, power it was making, presence of detonation etc need to be taken into account when one says xx engine is likely to blow above xxxwhp.

With a safe tune and good parts, U.S. tuners are able to make well over 450whp on Evo X's. The failure occurs due to detonation which results from a bad tune and failure from sheer resistance to combustion power on the rod are completely different things.

That U.K. tuner does not what he's talking about and I'm sure david buschur and many other U.S. tuners will laugh their asses off when they hear this.

People will blow their perfectly fine 4g63 motors, 4b11t motors, and even 2jz-gte motors at low hp. That doesn't mean the motors themselves physically can't handle the power output. To say the 4b11t stock internals blow up at 450whp or above is purely idiotic as it is proven the rod is more than capable to hold 450whp.

I'm only a member of evom for 4 years, so what do i know?

question for you : do you even own an evo?

 

[FasterFaster]

Engine's power threshold in its stock configuration has so many things to consider. State of tune, parts used, power it was making, presence of detonation etc need to be taken into account when one says xx engine is likely to blow above xxxwhp.

With a safe tune and good parts, U.S. tuners are able to make well over 450whp on Evo X's. The failure occurs due to detonation which results from a bad tune and failure from sheer resistance to combustion power on the rod are completely different things.

That U.K. tuner does not what he's talking about and I'm sure david buschur and many other U.S. tuners will laugh their asses off when they hear this.

People will blow their perfectly fine 4g63 motors, 4b11t motors, and even 2jz-gte motors at low hp. That doesn't mean the motors themselves physically can't handle the power output. To say the 4b11t stock internals blow up at 450whp or above is purely idiotic as it is proven the rod is more than capable to hold 450whp.

I'm only a member of evom for 4 years, so what do i know?

question for you : do you even own an evo?

Why would I want an Evo? I have a heavily modded 335i 6MT Coupe.

There's a good bit more to why engines fail than either 'tuning' or gross mechanical failure. If you're going for higher power, thermal management is paramount, for instance.

I've only got a nuclear engineering degree from MIT, what do I know?

Dude, less flame and more constructive conversation is vastly appreciated.

 

[bkprodigy]

Why would I want an Evo? I have a heavily modded 335i 6MT Coupe.

There's a good bit more to why engines fail than either 'tuning' or gross mechanical failure. If you're going for higher power, thermal management is paramount, for instance.

I've only got a nuclear engineering degree from MIT, what do I know?

Dude, less flame and more constructive conversation is vastly appreciated.

I didn't ask you whether or not you wanted it. I asked you if you had one. You talk as if 335i is a better performing vehicle, but that's not the point.

I couldn't give 2 $hit you got that degree from MIT, what does knowing the evoX block have anything to do with nuclear engineering? You can brag your degree to matters that are applicable. Unless You have been working on that particular engine trying to push the envelope, you simply don't know the power threshold of the stock rods. You talk about thermal management. Wow big word, intercooler, more efficient compressor/turbine anyone?

I have been around the evo scene for so long, I just simply know 4b11t can hold 450whp without a problem.

Heavily modded 335i? let me guess JB3 or V3, catless dp, intercooler, intake, some sort of catback.
Stock block, stock fuel system, stock turbo. I don't exactly call that heavily modded. Keep in mind 335i's block is also an open deck aluminum block. ~400whp trapping 115-116mph at max. heavily modded my @$$

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[mkaresh]

Hi slowboyy...

For the sake of easy reading can you please not type in all CAPS? It just makes it easier on the eyes... also no one would think you're screaming

To answer your questions... your question diverts the comparable to apples vs. oranges. Even the 370Z, is not a 2+2 like the Genesis coupe. It may have the tuner hype but you're comparing it to the wrong vehicles. If anything this vehicle is aimed at the G37 coupe, which costs alot more.

I run a car comparison site, and have noticed that people will cross-shop just about anything. I once had someone trying to decide between the Evo and STI, only to get a Prius. Turned out he didn't care for driving, but wanted something "neat." From that perspective, even the Evo and Prius become competitors, as either will set you apart from the Accord crowd.

Strictly speaking, I see the Genesis Coupe as closest to the G37, followed by the Camaro and Z. Next the Altima Coupe and Accord Coupe, but of course they are FWD. There is no other 2+2 imported RWD coupe in this price range. Well, the RX-8, but it's a sports car rather than a GT and tends to be the orange in any comparison.

 

[Goose]

I haven't read past the first few posts, but I'll add my experience. I cross-shopped the Genny Coupe against the 370z as well as the 128i and a few of the cheaper 4-doors like the IS250.

I think the Genesis Coupe is a good competitor to the 370z. Although the Hyundai arguably isn't as hardcore as the Nissan, they both offer excellent performance for the price, which is pretty similar right now. The Genesis won for me due to the 370's huge blind spots and lower practicality in both foul weather traction (assumed) and cargo capacity.

The 128i may be a bit more solid than the Genesis in every sense of the word, but it's priced far higher; so much so that the Hyundai wins simply from a price perspective. Resale may negate the Hyundai's price advantage against the 128i, though.

I won't mention my impressions about other cars since they're not relevant to the original poster's question.

 

[newmedia]

I test drove both infinity and nissan

infinity had best design inside and out but 370Z was raw race car that was not comfortable to drive around in city because of stiff ride. + not having 2 extra seats hurt.

paying extra 5K for base 370z or extra 8K for infinity was main factor choosing Hyundai + longer warranty.

GC 3.8 base was fun car to drive + takes 87 OCT gas

Since I keep the cars for long time, trade value after 150K miles did not matter at that stage.

Tough to get a nicer deal on these cars since they are limited stock and its 2010 year model.

 

[mkaresh]

Drove three different cars at a media event yesterday. Overwhelming impression is that this is a grand tourer, not a sports car or rally car for the street. As noted earlier, it competes with the Infiniti G37, and with the Accord and Altima. Much rather have a Genesis than an Accord or Altima.

Not as fun to drive as a sports car or rice rocket, but much more comfortable.

Big kudos to Hyundai for fitting headrests that adjust fore-aft. Very rare these days. In too many cars I drive the headrest presses my head forward--can be very uncomfortable.

 

[reneirwolf878]

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[Boss Paco]

The Genny Coupes we've sold have been more to "later-in-life" customers, both male and female, looking for a change from their last few cars which have been good, dependable and very boring. I've had a ton of tirekickers in the segment we would expect the Coupe to sell to, but most of them have ended up buying a WRX or not from us at all.

I'm a WRX owner and am torn between all of my options. Currently, I'm a "wait and see a R-Spec" before I go spend my money. I also intend on keeping my WRX and just adding the next car as a 2nd. I doubt I would give up the sheer joy and capability of my Subaru just for the sexy new thing on the market.

It is tempting, if only for the simple fact I could have a built Coupe with a big turbo puttin' a whoopin' on some of the "it's still a Hyundai" crowd. I was considering a lightly modified 2009 WRX (with straightline capabilities of a STi for $10k less) cos it's what I know, but my best friend bought one from me a month ago and I figured I'd let him have his shine.

All in all, the Coupe is one helluva car and I can't wait for more "car people" to get ahold of 'em in Oklahoma so I can see what really happens when you warm one up. Everyday I look for new info on the Coupe, or what someone's done to theirs, if only to see what I might be doing in the very near future.

 

[wild willy]

Our dealer still has their first, 2nd and 3rd cars they received on the lot and they have not moved. It's been months.........good news for a buyer like me

 

[mkaresh]

The marketing of this car has been pretty bad, to the extent there has been any at all.

Most people aren't aware the car exists. Those who are aware often have incorrect ideas about the size and price of the coupe.

 

[ConceptVBS]

The Ginny coupe will never be an STI...

If your saying the Genesis Coupe will never be an AWD then you might want to retract that statement. Good things are in stores for this car.

 

[wild willy]

On Edmunds........the "What others are paying price" is dropping pretty quick !!!!

Be gettin new ones for a song and a dance by the end of the year