8-Year No-Tow streak over: Major Oil Leak

[Mark_888]

The Hyundai oil/filter setup was designed to facilitate screw-ups by people who may or may not care much about your car. And the 2015 5.0 setup is a further step in that direction (worse).

The Genesis oil filter housing design is made by Mahle, and is the same one as used by several other manufacturer's such as Mercedes Benz, Volvo, etc. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how to install a cartridge filter, although I do understand that some Hyundai dealers hire unqualified people to perform these tasks.

 

[kn5owa]

This entire thread is a case study of how, in fact, a dealer did screw up. And, I have no doubt that the whole filter and housing design was, in part, the reason. Sorry about that - Mercedes, Volvo, etc.

 

[Mark_888]

This entire thread is a case study of how, in fact, a dealer did screw up. And, I have no doubt that the whole filter and housing design was, in part, the reason. Sorry about that - Mercedes, Volvo, etc.

Ridiculous. I have changed my oil more than 10 times so far, and it is not difficult to install the cartridge filter correctly.

 

[kn5owa]

Ridiculous. I have changed my oil more than 10 times so far, and it is not difficult to install the cartridge filter correctly.

I have changed my oil/filter at least twice as many times on my Sonata, and it is not at all difficult. Never said it was.

The problem with the design is that it does require the the sort of undivided attention and meticulous, conscientious approach that is hard to find in commercial establishments be they dealers, ind. garages, or fast lube places. ***

Every time I do the job, I am grateful that I can do it myself, for precisely that reason. Again, the thrust of this whole thread demonstrates just how a dealer can screw things up. I know. I sold an almost new Sonata to a relative, and the engine in that car was destroyed by a dealer botched oil/filter change. It wasn't caught in time as in the present case.

*** To put it more succinctly, the guy who does the oil changes is probably not gonna be the sharpest knife in the drawer (or the most careful).

 

[Mark_888]

I have changed my oil/filter at least twice as many times on my Sonata, and it is not at all difficult. Never said it was.

The problem with the design is that it does require the the sort of undivided attention and meticulous, conscientious approach that is hard to find in commercial establishments be they dealers, ind. garages, or fast lube places. ***

Every time I do the job, I am grateful that I can do it myself, for precisely that reason. Again, the thrust of this whole thread demonstrates just how a dealer can screw things up. I know. I sold an almost new Sonata to a relative, and the engine in that car was destroyed by a dealer botched oil/filter change. It wasn't caught in time as in the present case.

*** To put it more succinctly, the guy who does the oil changes is probably not gonna be the sharpest knife in the drawer (or the most careful).

I can understand an independent oil change shop not having someone with experience on that specific type of filter; however, I cannot even fathom any kind of excuse for a Hyundai dealer service department not being able to do it correctly.

However, I do agree that dealers are notorious for screwing up oil changes, but that is a management problem.

 

[kn5owa]

However, I do agree that dealers are notorious for screwing up oil changes, but that is a management problem.

It's more than a management problem when you see a puddle underneath your car. See the orig. post on this thread.

 

[Mark_888]

It's more than a management problem when you see a puddle underneath your car. See the orig. post on this thread.

I have participated in other forums for cars that use spin on filters, and dealers make just as many mistakes.

 

[kn5owa]

I have participated in other forums for cars that use spin on filters, and dealers make just as many mistakes.

Again, it's not a matter of what "dealers do" or if "Mercedes or BMW or Volvo" adopted a certain design, the really important thing is if the specific filter/oil change procedure is likely to result in mistakes.

I have seen many dozens of posts on various Hyundai forums about oil leaks after oil/filter changes with Hyundai's design . Either there is a systemic problem, or there are one rather large number of klutzes out doing the work, and screwing things up.

And "making just as many mistakes" with spin on filters on other cars is not much of an endorsement for the Hyundai oil/filter change protocol.

The 2015 Genesis is a very nice car - but maintenance - no way - it's a work in progress, as is the A/V/NAV system.


Footnote: O-rings?, "Crush Washers", Cartridge filters? Time to move out of the horse and buggy age.




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[Mark_888]

Again, it's not a matter of what "dealers do" or if "Mercedes or BMW or Volvo" adopted a certain design, the really important thing is if the specific filter/oil change procedure is likely to result in mistakes.

I have seen many dozens of posts on various Hyundai forums about oil leaks after oil/filter changes with Hyundai's design . Either there is a systemic problem, or there are one rather large number of klutzes out doing the work, and screwing things up.

And "making just as many mistakes" with spin on filters on other cars is not much of an endorsement for the Hyundai oil/filter change protocol.

The 2015 Genesis is a very nice car - but maintenance - no way - it's a work in progress, as is the A/V/NAV system.

Footnote: O-rings?, "Crush Washers", Cartridge filters? Time to move out of the horse and buggy age.

There is obviously some confusion here. First, the filter housing used by Hyundai is made by Mahle. Many other consumer and commercial vehicles use oil filter systems made by Mahle, including MB, Volvo, and others. These are not MB, Volvo, or Hyundai designs, they are designs supplied by Mahle.

There are other manufacturers who offer similar designs such as Mann, which is used on BMW and other cars.

The procedure for changing the filter is quite simple:

1. Unscrew the plastic filter housing.
2. Remove the old cartridge.
3. Replace the O-rings with fresh ones supplied with the cartridge (although the O-rings probably last a long time and probably don't need to be replaced each time).
4. Put the new cartridge in the housing (doesn't matter which end goes first, since the cartridge is symmetrical).
5. Screw the plastic housing back on.

As far as a systematic problem with the Mahle oil filter housing on Hyundai's, I have been reading this forum for more than 6 years and don't recall many problems being reported. The problem in this thread is the first I heard about a dealer (or anyone else) messing up the O-rings. You reference to dozens of posts about problems with cartridges puzzle me, since I don't recall any problems (other than people who try and buy after-market filters instead of getting them from a dealer, and they sometimes get the wrong one or a cheap one that is not made correctly).

Cartridge filters like on the Genesis are not horse and buggy technology, it is the state of the art and the future of oil filters.

You also seem to confused about crush washers. They are simply a (relatively) soft-metal washer used on the drain plug, and have used on the vast majority of cars for a very long time (although not everyone follows directions and actually uses them).

 

[jarred52]

The reusable plastic filter housing with replacement O-rings is not a problem to change. I did it myself on most of the oil changes in my 2005 MB cdi. Never one problem with the system in 9 years. While the spin-on system is easier, it is not without problems as it has a flat rubber gasket "stuck" to the bottom to seal it to the engine. If the gasket is not properly lubricated before it is screwed in place it may not seal properly and cause a leak; also the old gasket can stick to the engine when the old filter is removed. If the servicer does not examine the removed filter for the seal, installing the new filter over the old seal will cause leaks. This happened to me twice on a Ford Explorer many years ago when I had no place to change the oil myself and had it changed at an oil change shop.

Also, the spin-on filter is more difficult for proper disposal and leaves the remains of the metal in a land fill.

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[kn5owa]

There is obviously some confusion here. First, the filter housing used by Hyundai is made by Mahle. Many other consumer and commercial vehicles use oil filter systems made by Mahle, including MB, Volvo, and others. These are not MB, Volvo, or Hyundai designs, they are designs supplied by Mahle.

There are other manufacturers who offer similar designs such as Mann, which is used on BMW and other cars.

The procedure for changing the filter is quite simple:

1. Unscrew the plastic filter housing.
2. Remove the old cartridge.
3. Replace the O-rings with fresh ones supplied with the cartridge (although the O-rings probably last a long time and probably don't need to be replaced each time).
4. Put the new cartridge in the housing (doesn't matter which end goes first, since the cartridge is symmetrical).
5. Screw the plastic housing back on.

As far as a systematic problem with the Mahle oil filter housing on Hyundai's, I have been reading this forum for more than 6 years and don't recall many problems being reported. The problem in this thread is the first I heard about a dealer (or anyone else) messing up the O-rings. You reference to dozens of posts about problems with cartridges puzzle me, since I don't recall any problems (other than people who try and buy after-market filters instead of getting them from a dealer, and they sometimes get the wrong one or a cheap one that is not made correctly).

Cartridge filters like on the Genesis are not horse and buggy technology, it is the state of the art and the future of oil filters.

You also seem to confused about crush washers. They are simply a (relatively) soft-metal washer used on the drain plug, and have used on the vast majority of cars for a very long time (although not everyone follows directions and actually uses them).

Whoops - you didn't lube the O-rings - may have a little leak problem

If you want to document problems with this filter set-up, get on the Sonata forums where there is a far greater number of posts relative to servicing going back a much longer period of time.

You obviously won't find much on this forum, because most people having seen how it's done (or supposed to be done), wouldn't think of doing the job themselves.

Lastly, on the 5.0, before you do anything, you have to remove two large panels secured by many fasteners - not fun.

 

[Mark_888]

Whoops - you didn't lube the O-rings - may have a little leak problem

If you want to document problems with this filter set-up, get on the Sonata forums where there is a far greater number of posts relative to servicing going back a much longer period of time.

You obviously won't find much on this forum, because most people having seen how it's done (or supposed to be done), wouldn't think of doing the job themselves.

Lastly, on the 5.0, before you do anything, you have to remove two large panels secured by many fasteners - not fun.

• I have never lubed the o-rings, and never had a leak.
• There are plenty of people who have changed the oil themselves on their Genesis going back to the 2009 model.
• Removing the panels would come into play even if a spin-on metal filter was used.

 

[kn5owa]

• I have never lubed the o-rings, and never had a leak.
  

Consider yourself lucky - the larger O-ring, if not lubricated, can bind, or twist, and cause a major leak. Yet another source of leaks in this design - also documented.

Perhaps you are "confused" by O-rings (your choice of words).