2016 Genesis News?

[Sal Collaziano]

Hey everyone,

Got a bit of information today from a dealership rep regarding the 2016 Genesis. He indicated that October would be when the 2016's would be available (at that particular dealership at least), and that the dealerships are aware of what minor changes would be made, but they cannot pass along those details yet unfortunately. I'll be sure to pass along any other information I find out!

Thank you for the update! I'm sure many people want to know about those changes...

 

[ksoze]

Got a bit of information today from a dealership rep regarding the 2016 Genesis. He indicated that October would be when the 2016's would be available (at that particular dealership at least), and that the dealerships are aware of what minor changes would be made, but they cannot pass along those details yet unfortunately.

While that delivery date seems reasonable and appreciate you sharing what a rep told you, I highly doubt dealer sales staff have any real info on prospective model changes this early. I am willing to bet they will know closer to when we do, likely via the internet. Any formal dealer bulletins are probably months off from release.

To be frank, my experience has been most dealer sales staff do not even fully know the features on the current 2015 Genesis better than many customers, due in part to it's low sales volume compared to the other cars in the lineup.

 

[Mark_888]

While that delivery date seems reasonable and appreciate you sharing what a rep told you, I highly doubt dealer sales staff have any real info on prospective model changes this early. I am willing to bet they will know closer to when we do, likely via the internet. Any formal dealer bulletins are probably months off from release.

To be frank, my experience has been most dealer sales staff do not even fully know the features on the current 2015 Genesis better than many customers, due in part to it's low sales volume compared to the other cars in the lineup.

Salespeople at car dealerships want to make money. They are not necessarily car enthusiasts, and most of them at a Hyundai dealership can't afford a Genesis. Very few Hyundai salespeople have enough money in the bank to go even a few months without a paycheck, except the sales manager or GM.

When I say salespeople want to "make money" I mean right now, today, or this week at the latest. The more changes there are to the next model year, means that some customers will wait, and that knowledge about what is coming is the enemy of the salesperson. So even if they knew, they are not going to tell you.

 

[YEH]

I have no doubt that V8 will be available in the Equus for the foreseeable future. It just may find it's way out of the Genesis. I bet it will. However, I do feel it's get a couple of turbochargers for the N-Performance version.

As long as there is enough demand for the Tau 5.0, Hyundai should keep offering it (the upcoming TTV6 being more of a V-Sport type of model).

I suspect if the Genesis is ever to get an N-Performance line, it will be with a smaller displacement FI V8 (which would also replace the 5.0 in the Equus/K900).

 

[Sal Collaziano]

As long as there is enough demand for the Tau 5.0, Hyundai should keep offering it (the upcoming TTV6 being more of a V-Sport type of model).

I suspect if the Genesis is ever to get an N-Performance line, it will be with a smaller displacement FI V8 (which would also replace the 5.0 in the Equus/K900).

Yes, I agree - the V8 will shrink. But not a big deal. Especially if they use turbo/supercharging. BMW is doing great with their 4.4 liter twin turbo V8s.

 

[YEH]

^ Still, it would be pretty wicked of Hyundai if they went ahead and twin-turbo'd the 5.0, but I'm not going to hold my breath on that one.

 

[RSPEC429]

Yes, I agree - the V8 will shrink. But not a big deal. Especially if they use turbo/supercharging. BMW is doing great with their 4.4 liter twin turbo V8s.

Doing great in what sense? The N63 engine has got to be one of BMW's, maybe even the entire industry's, most unreliable engine in recent history.

Whether it's a recommended battery replacement every 10,000 miles or 10 quarts of oil as opposed to 9 quarts to mask the rampant oil burn rate, this engine has to use a liberal definition of the word "great" to be considered that.

Here is some good reading regarding that engine:

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...710/enginerdy-strange-connections-bmw-n63-v8/

http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1074012

 

[Sal Collaziano]

^ Still, it would be pretty wicked of Hyundai if they went ahead and twin-turbo'd the 5.0, but I'm not going to hold my breath on that one.

Considering Hyundai's "weight challenge" I think a twin turbo V8 would make sense for the N-Performance division products but I won't hold my breath either.

Doing great in what sense? The N63 engine has got to be one of BMW's, maybe even the entire industry's, most unreliable engine in recent history.

Whether it's a recommended battery replacement every 10,000 miles or 10 quarts of oil as opposed to 9 quarts to mask the rampant oil burn rate, this engine has to use a liberal definition of the word "great" to be considered that.

Here is some good reading regarding that engine:

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...710/enginerdy-strange-connections-bmw-n63-v8/

http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1074012

It's the performance of the engine that I'm referring to. I'm sure as they move forward they'll have the issues worked out.

edit: I just read those two articles and it appears there's a battery issue due to the heat of the two turbochargers. This issue is fixed with a better battery - free of charge whether you're still under warranty or not. The oil consumption issue apparently occurs if you don't drive the car hard enough. I remember this with Cadillac's Northstar engine - which was designed to be "pushed" and broken-in "hard". They remedy this issue in a similar fashion - add more oil. Again, no extra charge to the customer but instead of 15,000 mile oil change intervals - it's 10,000. Really - and this is my personal opinion - no big deal considering the engine's performance capabilities. A plain 550i is doing 0-60 in 4.2 seconds. That's fast.

 

[RSPEC429]

It's the performance of the engine that I'm referring to. I'm sure as they move forward they'll have the issues worked out.

edit: I just read those two articles and it appears there's a battery issue due to the heat of the two turbochargers. This issue is fixed with a better battery - free of charge whether you're still under warranty or not. The oil consumption issue apparently occurs if you don't drive the car hard enough. I remember this with Cadillac's Northstar engine - which was designed to be "pushed" and broken-in "hard". They remedy this issue in a similar fashion - add more oil. Again, no extra charge to the customer but instead of 15,000 mile oil change intervals - it's 10,000. Really - and this is my personal opinion - no big deal considering the engine's performance capabilities. A plain 550i is doing 0-60 in 4.2 seconds. That's fast.

The Mercedes TT V8 throws down similar performance numbers and does not have ANY of those problems.

The battery issue is still an issue...recommended replacement every oil change (10,000 miles) After that first replacement, the battery tab is on the owner.

As far as the oil burn, that isn't the only problem. If you really did read the BMW forum, you will see that the engine has problems ranging from stretched timing chains to bad fuel injectors. All this on an engine that is as new as 3 years old. BMW updated the N63 in '13 but there are still reports of that engine giving owners problems such as rough starts, battery issues, etc. To top it off, some guys have reported poor performance even after the CCP was performed.

The general consensus on the BMW forums is that BMW still has not zeroed in on the exact problem.

At least BMW has owned up to the problems and is taking care of customers that are out of warranty as well. It sure is suspect though that they didn't want to call it a recall and instead called it something much nicer sounding..."Customer Care Package."

I was actually looking at used 550i's and 550i Gran Turismo's before I decided to purchase my R-Spec at lease end. Prices have been hit hard because of all these problems. There's a certified 550i GT sitting on a dealer lot here in Texas that has been on the market since February. They first listed the vehicle at $53,500 and now they're asking $40,500.

If you don't mind getting to know your service adviser really well, owning this V8 really won't be a problem. I would stay far, far away from one of these vehicles out of warranty however. My '08 550i hasn't been the most reliable vehicle ever, but it isn't unreasonable even out of warranty and with 135,000 miles on it.

 

[goochylittlepig]

I heard from someone reliable at Hyundai recently that there will in fact be a few (not huge) changes for 2016, and that they will announce them around September 1.

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[Sal Collaziano]

The Mercedes TT V8 throws down similar performance numbers and does not have ANY of those problems.

The battery issue is still an issue...recommended replacement every oil change (10,000 miles) After that first replacement, the battery tab is on the owner.

As far as the oil burn, that isn't the only problem. If you really did read the BMW forum, you will see that the engine has problems ranging from stretched timing chains to bad fuel injectors. All this on an engine that is as new as 3 years old. BMW updated the N63 in '13 but there are still reports of that engine giving owners problems such as rough starts, battery issues, etc. To top it off, some guys have reported poor performance even after the CCP was performed.

The general consensus on the BMW forums is that BMW still has not zeroed in on the exact problem.

At least BMW has owned up to the problems and is taking care of customers that are out of warranty as well. It sure is suspect though that they didn't want to call it a recall and instead called it something much nicer sounding..."Customer Care Package."

I was actually looking at used 550i's and 550i Gran Turismo's before I decided to purchase my R-Spec at lease end. Prices have been hit hard because of all these problems. There's a certified 550i GT sitting on a dealer lot here in Texas that has been on the market since February. They first listed the vehicle at $53,500 and now they're asking $40,500.

If you don't mind getting to know your service adviser really well, owning this V8 really won't be a problem. I would stay far, far away from one of these vehicles out of warranty however. My '08 550i hasn't been the most reliable vehicle ever, but it isn't unreasonable even out of warranty and with 135,000 miles on it.

Well I guess I'm glad I don't have BMW with a twin turbo V8.

I heard from someone reliable at Hyundai recently that there will in fact be a few (not huge) changes for 2016, and that they will announce them around September 1.

I think that person is probably doing exactly what we're doing - guessing. But it would be nice if we learned some facts on September 1st.

 

[goochylittlepig]

I think that person is probably doing exactly what we're doing - guessing. But it would be nice if we learned some facts on September 1st.

It's too high up the foodchain to be guessing, trust me. (Or don't! LOL)

 

[4104]

Me 2 on the BMW

 

[5 Timer]

The September issue of Motor Trend magazine doesn't think the Genesis will change for 2016

 

[mdsbuc]

The September issue of Motor Trend magazine doesn't think the Genesis will change for 2016

There is a difference between "will not change," and won't change much. Most cars have some tweaks from year to year.

 

[goochylittlepig]

I feel like I keep making this argument. I mention some small changes which may be important to me (and others), and someone responds like I said it's being redesigned.

 

[ksoze]

I feel like I keep making this argument. I mention some small changes which may be important to me (and others), and someone responds like I said it's being redesigned.

It's always a tough call. No need nor chance of major changes this round as you know, but need to decide if a new color choice, fog lights or other item likely not factory retrofittable is worth the wait with no guarantees. CarPlay/Andriod, DRL's and other options and misses may be upgradeable - if not, is it a deal killer?

The other factor is timing - interest rates may be on the way up soon and for leases, residuals will fall on 2105's, making for higher payments than now. It's like buying computers, the moment you buy, a newer faster model is always coming.

 

[amartz]

I'd like to see some elaboration on the "quicker and more efficient" part of the article..

 

[ksoze]

I'd like to see some elaboration on the "quicker and more efficient" part of the article..

The twin turbos in the 5 series will give better fuel mileage and they may be a tick quicker, more so for the 550i.

 

[Koolhaas]

The twin turbos in the 5 series will give better fuel mileage and they may be a tick quicker, more so for the 550i.

I think NA is better than turbo. You don't have turbo lag and get to the power curve earlier in the revs.

Genesis needs to lose a little weight. Too heavy to be nimble and fully sporty.

I've had turbo'd cars, I have an X5 right now, which i absolutely love. I favor the NA cars a little more just because they are more reliable. Less stuff to go wrong. Turbos have more potential for modding. Programming, turbo upgrades...

The v8 BWM has twin turbos and has 400hp. Less HP than the 5.0 Genesis, but since the Genesis is so heavy, i don't think it's as fast.