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Sedan Subwoofer install

Thanks Ambush. Believe it or not when the shop built the box, I was surprised at how small it was (just an FYI, it's a sealed single chamber enclosure stuffed with blackhole). But they built it to JL spec and it fit with room to spare. They then fabricated the beauty panel (along with LED light strip) in front of it so you don't see anything but the front fascia. When you open the trunk, it all lights up. :-)

Originally, I was going the route of a Mosconi 6to8 DSP in order to get more control on the frequency cut off and output as well as future upgrades (front speakers, amps, etc.) but it didn't work with the Lexicon sound system. Ended up just using a Focal Hi-Lo and got lucky on the cut off. It matched perfectly with the rest of the system.

I'm lucky enough that the wiring is all done for a DSP in the future but am more than happy with what was done.
 
I finally was able to install mine over the weekend

Added the LC2i from AudioControl along with the subwoofer level control. This has signal sensing turn on for the amp.

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and the 2 10" JL Audio subs I took out of the car replaced by the Genesis.

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Fills in the bottom end nicely.

I added the Video in Motion (VIM) interface from NavTV so that DVDs can now be shown with the car moving.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIpA6lIPdqc

Charles
 
I don't think anyone has answered the question that's been asked multiple times but where do you tap for the signal? Do you tap the sub wire post amp? Or are you guys getting the signal full range from one of the speakers (also post amp?) Or tapping in pre amp, but I think that's analog...

Anyone?
 
Here are some mocks I've worked up for a sub install in my 2015 Genesis. It is still a work in progress but I feel like I'm getting close enough that I may pull the trigger soon.

The design is based on 2x JL Audio 10TW3s (shallow mount subs). The subs in the mocks aren't the real deal, just placeholders.

Once installed, the box should sit no more than 1ft off of the back seats at the very deepest point so it shouldn't eat up march cargo space.

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Added the LC2i from AudioControl along with the subwoofer level control. This has signal sensing turn on for the amp.

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Charles, How is the LC2i? I currently have a passive loc but was looking to switch to an active one since I feel the post processed signal is robbing me of the lower frequencies. My box was designed to hit 33hz and I am not getting anywhere close to that frequency response.
 
I don't think anyone has answered the question that's been asked multiple times but where do you tap for the signal? Do you tap the sub wire post amp? Or are you guys getting the signal full range from one of the speakers (also post amp?) Or tapping in pre amp, but I think that's analog...

Anyone?

This.
 
My subwoofer amp is tapped to one of my rear deck speakers post stock amp. However, I do not feel like that amp is being fed all the frequencies it should be as the stock amp might be crossed over at a higher frequency to prevent the little speakers from attempting to reproduce a tone they weren't meant to handle.

If I were to do it again, I might ask the installer to tap into the signal before the stock amp for a more pure, unprocessed signal. Then again, the signal might already be processed in the head unit so it wouldn't even matter where you tap.

I'm interested in the LC2i because supposedly that thing restores the frequencies that were processed out. Allegedly.
 
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If I were to do it again, I might ask the installer to tap into the signal before the stock amp for a more pure, unprocessed signal. Then again, the signal might already be processed in the head unit so it wouldn't even matter where you tap.

From reading on the forum I believe the signal before the amp is digital (and therefore could not be tapped), someone please correct me if I am wrong about this.

I'm interested in the LC2i because supposedly that thing restores the frequencies that were processed out. Allegedly.

There is no way to "restore" frequencies that were processed out. The LC2i does, however, have the ability to boost the existing low frequencies in the signal as the overall volume of the system is raised to correct for some factory systems that begin to limit low frequency output at higher volumes. Again, from my reading on the forum I don't believe this is an issue with the Genesis but hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
 
so is the Lc2i worth it?
 
so is the Lc2i worth it?

If your amp doesn't support speaker-level inputs then you'll need some sort of line out converter (LOC). Assuming I was correct in my last post and the "AccuBass" feature of the LC2i isn't really needed in a Genesis then you can find simpler LOCs for a good deal less money. On the other hand, the LC2i seems to have generally good reviews in terms of build quality and reliability.
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Today I had my passive loc replaced with a LC2i and the results are night and day. I set my gains with a dd1 and before with the passive loc, it wouldn't detect distortion even with the gains on the amp and loc all the way up because of the low signal strength. With the LC2i, the signal strength was strong enough for the the loc gain to be set to 3/4 and the amp to be set at 1/4. Overall spl was significantly higher and the frequencies once not being passed through due to low signal strength were definitely being reproduced.

All measurements were taken with the bass level on the head unit at zero and now I'm finding I have to set the bass at -2 or -3 because it's just too much lol
 
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Added the LC2i from AudioControl along with the subwoofer level control.

Charles, how did you calibrate the LC2i? Where did you set the accubass threshold? What volume did you find the stock unit stops upping the bass?

The way I have the LC2i set, the bass is fine at volume 8 and up but at 7 and below it sounds like my 12" isn't on. I don't think I have it set up correctly.

Help?
 
Does anyone have the specs on the factory 8" subwoofer for the Lexicon 17 speaker system?

- Dual voice coil (yes)
- Ohm (1,2,4) *1 Ohm

- Watts (RMS)?
- Sensitivity (db)?
- Frequency response (Hz)?
 
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The LC2i is AWESOME! I added mine in today with a Kenwood Execelon 600/1 amp and a JL Audio 10w6 V3. The only thing I haven't found yet is a amplifer turn on so I am using the sensing now. I researched AllData, Directed Electronics dealer database, as well as googling to death but with any of the stuff it mentioned, nothing matched at all. I have the 2012 R=Spec with the Lexicon 17 speaker system, anyone else ever found the amp turn on?

Also, to answer an above question, I tapped my LC2i off of both of the sub inputs. So far playing a good variety of music, I haven't heard any areas where it seems to be missing anything. I will run some sine sweeps tomorrow to check fully.
 
I have my amp's subsonic filter set to 25hz as my box is tuned to 33hz. It played the 25hz test tone just fine so I'm assuming it can go even lower if needed. What concerned me is when I was tuning with test tones, the speakers inside the car were trying to reproduce the low frequency tones as well. They should have crossed the speakers at 80hz and let the subwoofer handle everything 80hz and below so they don't blow themselves up trying to reproduce a frequency they weren't meant to reproduce. Speakers play more efficiently and sound cleaner when they aren't trying to reproduce sounds they can't handle.
 
On your LC2i, are you using the sensing circuit to turn on the amp or a direct turn on feed?
 
I'm using the sensing circuit. So far it hasn't had any issues.
 
Would appreciate if someone would share the wires (specific wire colors at the amp) that you tied your LC2i to. I have a 2015 Genesis Sedan with the Lexicon system.

I suppose I could pull the rear seat and access the woofer directly, though the stock amp is right there, and easy to access.

Thanks for any help you can provide!
 
Disclaimer: Proceed at your own risk, as I accept zero responsibility for your attempt to wire your own equipment or any resulting damage that could occur by utilizing the following information.

In short, I found the answer to my wiring question above. For some reason the stock amp wiring discussion is an elusive topic online (there are a few references on this forum with conflicting opinions), though a quick visit to the hyundaitechinfo.com site for a true solution proved to be very informative. Great site by the way... Subscription required.

If you have a 2015 Genesis with the Ultimate Package (Lexicon System), the stock amp is located in the trunk under the the driver's side quarter panel. To access it, you must remove the two Phillips screws and the two bolts on the base of the carpeted trunk cover. This will not remove the cover, but it will allow you enough room to pull the cover outward enough to access the amp.

You'll also want to remove the plastic housing that covers the trunk latch (One additional bolt on the passenger side, then pull straight up to pop the two plastic pins out).

The Amp has three modular connectors going into it, one small plug (2 orange wires), one white and one grey connector. According to the manual, pins 4 and 5 on the lower Grey Connector feed the sub-woofer. Pin 4 (on my car) is a Grey Wire with a Black (Gr/B) line and is the Positive (+) feed. Pin 5 is a Blue Wire with an Orange (L/O) stripe and is the Negative (-) feed. As with any install, test all wires (radio on) with a volt meter to ensure the wire isn't a higher voltage feed.

Describing the unplugged Grey Modular connection, as best as I can:

Holding the modular plug with the open end facing you and the latch you pinch to remove the modular plug at the top, here's the wiring config:

12......11/10 /9 / 8 / 7 / 6 / 5 /4 / 3 / 2........ 1
.........22/21/20/19/18/17/16/15/14/13..........

Note: Slots 1 and 12 are the bigger open slots on the outside of the plug, separate from the internal cluster.

Further, the battery is located in the trunk, next to the spare tire on the passenger side, which makes connecting the amp to the battery a breeze. You must use an in line fuse between the battery and your amp!

You can run your amp's "remote on" wire to the fuse box as others have suggested, though there are also plenty of accessory power wires capable of triggering the "remote on" wire to your amp in the trunk area - Always use your voltmeter to test for a 12v signal, both with your car off and on. I would strongly advise using a relay to feed the "remote on" feature of your amp.

Using a relay involves a visit to your favorite auto parts store to purchase an automotive relay (ask them, they'll point it out). The relay allows you to feed the "remote on" wire to your amp with power directly from your battery, but only when the car is on. It does this by using the accessory wire that you tap exclusively as a trigger (not a power source). When triggered, the relay sends power to the "remote on" wire of your amp from the battery. This is the safest way to protect your system, and your auto parts dealer can explain more if you haven't used a relay before. Also search Google, as there are numerous video "How-to's" on the topic.

Link to an auto relay example: http://www.amazon.com/Absolute-RLS1...TF8&qid=1453559976&sr=8-3&keywords=auto+relay

The above is by no means a full description of the install process, though I hope it closes the loop on the majority of confusing issues many have been researching. Feel free to respond with any clarification needs or questions.

Keywords for search: wiring wire color aftermarket amp location tap line output converter LOC 2015 Genesis Ultimate Sedan
 
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That's for the 17 speaker system, the harness' in the 14 speaker system are different, the white is on the bottom and the grey one is on the top. and the colors still don't match up on either connector. (2015 with tech package) Do you know the colors/pinout for the 14 speaker system?
 
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