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New Genesis not in my cards

That is uncalled for. Attempting to purchase a car and having a problem is exactly what is needed to be recorded here. Others may benefit and hopefully Hyundai will see it too. If Hyundai wants to grow then they need to improve the way buyers are treated.

I've walked out of two, no make that three, Hyundai dealerships while attempting to purchase new Hyundai cars. I've purchased 3 Hyundai's so far, but have had bad experiences at these three dealers that could have made me buy something else. One is out of business and the other two are still out there poluting the market.
Maybe all the insults heaped on Doug were uncalled for also?

Regarding problems negotiating with dealers, I think that is fairly common across all makes and models of cars, unless you are paying list price (or close to it). Also, while I think there are some legitimate complaints about negotiating tactics of certain dealers, I am not sure what Hyundai can do about it unless the dealer has done something illegal. I just don't think people understand the relationship between an auto manufacturer and its dealers.

I have found in life that there are often two sides to every story. We usually only hear one side here, so some caution should be exercised. Some people may be insulted by that, but I am sure some dealers who are not here to defend themselves feel insulted as well.

Buying a new car falls under the "Statute of Frauds" which requires contracts over a certain dollar amount to be in writing, and no one should ever take a verbal statement as fact. When I negotiate for a car or for real estate, all offers and counter offers must be in writing, and I read all the fine print. What all this means is that there is no fraud unless they renege on a written agreement.
 
I've found that resorting to name calling occurs when a person can't verbally express his thoughts well enough to win an argument. Plus it's hard to guess when someone is teasing or joking when blogging. Hence the use of smilies... :D

ImInPA - enjoy your Volvo. OBTW, Volvo is latin for "I Roll" or "Rolling" or something like that. I still miss my 1963 P1800 Volvo.
 
This is exactly the kind of information we need more of on this site. A knowledgeable buyer tests more than one brand, explains in detail the experiences of those tests, makes a qualified decision and informs us all of his criteria and final decision. That final decision was for another brand for several reasons, dealer service being one.
Hyundai are you reading these posts? You are building and selling a world class car, are you representing it as such?
I'm only one owner who has had Volvo, Mercedes, BMW, Acura, Infiniti, and others of which a loaner car is expected and provided when service is required. I found myself looking forward to my next service. My local Hyundai dealer's service is good, but they don't offer a loaner car. They are about half hour away and will not be getting all my preventive maintenance service because of the hassle of finding my way home when leaving my car. The loaner car issue is a big deal to me. Perhaps not for others but I certainly can imagine it being a deal breaker for some.
 
Exactly. It's these bad experiences that Hyundai needs to be aware of - otherwise nothing will change ?

Hyundai is very much well aware of it. Current situation is largely due to revenue/cost math. Hyundai simply does not have enough revenue in US to justify investment in dealerships.

Therefore, Hyundai is exactly following how Toyota paved their way into US: utilizing US manufacturers dealerships to expand their revenue/network simultaneously.

That's how Toyota expanded their dealer network in early days. When consumer bought Toyota in their early days, they got them for price/value, not for fabulous dealership service. That's what people should expect from Hyundai now. Don't expect LEXUS dealership when you buy huge "VALUE" like Hyundai...
 
I see I am still popular in here! LOL. Mark -within one day of posting my first concern in here about my new Genny's ride characteristics in the Illinois thread I was accused of lying, fabricating, having some sort of agenda, etc. by a fellow Illinoius member - all because I expressed shock and confusion over the porpoising I experienced on my ride to work. Then, after starting the suspension thread on 1/27 and trying to explore/explain somewhat the experience I was having with the dealer/Hyundai with my ride issue I was already being called obsessed on 2/1 by a member who seemed hell bent to ridicule virtually anything I said. It was all downhill from there.
 
I've found that resorting to name calling occurs when a person can't verbally express his thoughts well enough to win an argument. Plus it's hard to guess when someone is teasing or joking when blogging. Hence the use of smilies... :D

ImInPA - enjoy your Volvo. OBTW, Volvo is latin for "I Roll" or "Rolling" or something like that. I still miss my 1963 P1800 Volvo.

I had no idea that Volvo had any meaning. I had to Google it..You are correct..it is Latin for "I roll" or "I turn." I hope it will be a good car and I thank you for your kind sentiments. If you read my comparison of it and the Hyundai, you will see that I truly have a soft spot for Genesis V8. Maybe next time. And, by then, perhaps there will even be an AWD option, air suspension, and the 8 speed auto. I could have just gone ahead and purchased the Genesis, but, I am stubborn, and just couldn't bring myself to purchase from those pricks. I truly believe that Hyundai will have to spin off the Genesis as a new brand to be successful so they can provide a more standard customer experience across the board. It would be interesting to see them buy Hummer or some other GM or Chrysler mark just to have the dealership locations for Genseis (Hmmm...or Equus?). The only thing missing from my Hyundai dealer experience was Plaid sports jackets and striped pants. Damn fine car though.
 
Hello Doug. How is the Milan treating you? Hopefully so far so good.
 
In keeping with the customer service theme of this thread, I just received a call from the sales manager at my Volvo dealership simply to see how I am liking the car so far. I told him "so far so good" but , I noticed that the tires tend to sling a lot of road tar onto the bottom of the rear bumper and that I want to get a license plate frame that does not bear the dealer's name and rubber floor mats for bad weather days.. He immediately told me that when I come in for service he will have the service department install (at no charge to me) the Volvo mud flaps, give me a set of rubber floor mats, and a chrome Volvo license plate frame. Hard to complain about that level of service. It is true that neither of those accessories are very expensive, but, it sure is making me feel pretty good about having written them a check. And for the first three years, all scheduled service is covered by Volvo. Hyundai...are you listening?
 
Maybe all the insults heaped on Doug were uncalled for also?

Regarding problems negotiating with dealers, I think that is fairly common across all makes and models of cars, unless you are paying list price (or close to it). Also, while I think there are some legitimate complaints about negotiating tactics of certain dealers, I am not sure what Hyundai can do about it unless the dealer has done something illegal. I just don't think people understand the relationship between an auto manufacturer and its dealers.

I have found in life that there are often two sides to every story. We usually only hear one side here, so some caution should be exercised. Some people may be insulted by that, but I am sure some dealers who are not here to defend themselves feel insulted as well.

Buying a new car falls under the "Statute of Frauds" which requires contracts over a certain dollar amount to be in writing, and no one should ever take a verbal statement as fact. When I negotiate for a car or for real estate, all offers and counter offers must be in writing, and I read all the fine print. What all this means is that there is no fraud unless they renege on a written agreement.

I'm with Mark888 on this one ... and we don't always agree so I offer you a handshake Mark......... ImInPA has an axe to grind with his treatment at a Hyundai Dealer in his area and comes on hear to do it even if he does not own a Genesis...... My dealer treats me great by the way.... let me have the car for a full day before I bought it......... gave me a loaner for two weeks while mine was coming in from another city..... always make time for me..... what more can I ask for....... donuts and coffee I can get at Tim Hortons ...This is the wrong place to do it just as much as it is wrong for me to come on here and complain about the experience I had at the local Lexus Dealer not to mention the local Acura Dealer....... I walk into those dealers looking like I always do....... jeans and a T Shirt........ and I don't get the respect I deserve not for my technical knowledge nor for the amount of money I have to spend on a car. I suppose I wasn't executive looking enough for them. I am only the President of an Engineering firm after all.......... oops.... I just did what ImInPA has been doing..... lol at myself...... ok the point is.... every car maker has bad dealers or bad salesmen.........

I take it personally when someone bashes the car I own or its dealers on whatever level because it is comments like that that make a reputation and affect the future value of my car..... Don't get me wrong ImInPA buddy.... you have every right to say what you want as much as I have the right to tell you to keep it to yourself........ What I am saying is ...... go to the VOLVOOWNERS site.... and complain about the Hyundai Dealers there.... would seem to make more sense.........

I'm also quite sure that Hyundai Owners who are having a problem with there dealers are passing that info on to Hyundai without the need to do it here
 
In keeping with the customer service theme of this thread, I just received a call from the sales manager at my Volvo dealership simply to see how I am liking the car so far. I told him "so far so good" but , I noticed that the tires tend to sling a lot of road tar onto the bottom of the rear bumper and that I want to get a license plate frame that does not bear the dealer's name and rubber floor mats for bad weather days.. He immediately told me that when I come in for service he will have the service department install (at no charge to me) the Volvo mud flaps, give me a set of rubber floor mats, and a chrome Volvo license plate frame. Hard to complain about that level of service. It is true that neither of those accessories are very expensive, but, it sure is making me feel pretty good about having written them a check. And for the first three years, all scheduled service is covered by Volvo. Hyundai...are you listening?

I have received two such calls from my Hyundai dealer as well as a letter

BTW.... I like Volvos....... I think you made a good choice........ I hope they are around for you in the future........ I considered one myself for a short time......

There are many good cars out there..... we don;t all have to drive the same one...... I had a 2002 PT Cruiser.......... was a really nice fun car for a while....... Timing belt went and screwed up the engine after 170,000 KM....... the point of the story is..... Chrysler does not have the best reputation for breakdowns but in the nearly 8 years I owned the car it never broken down...... zilch.... zippo.... no repairs even under warranty.... until the big one... lol....... oh well.......
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In keeping with the customer service theme of this thread, I just received a call from the sales manager at my Volvo dealership simply to see how I am liking the car so far. I told him "so far so good" but , I noticed that the tires tend to sling a lot of road tar onto the bottom of the rear bumper and that I want to get a license plate frame that does not bear the dealer's name and rubber floor mats for bad weather days.. He immediately told me that when I come in for service he will have the service department install (at no charge to me) the Volvo mud flaps, give me a set of rubber floor mats, and a chrome Volvo license plate frame. Hard to complain about that level of service. It is true that neither of those accessories are very expensive, but, it sure is making me feel pretty good about having written them a check. And for the first three years, all scheduled service is covered by Volvo. Hyundai...are you listening?

I have to start reading your posts thoroughly before I comment... lol... silly me..... I too did not want dealer plate holders or their stickers all over mar car.... they were happy to oblige....... The Genesis rubber mats were not available yet so they lent me mats from the Santa Fe in the mean time...... Hyundai is listening just fine apparently.......... What you need to do is complain directly to Hyundai about those particular dealers not complain on here about Hyundai........
 
KaBerle: I am sorry that you did not understand my post. I have no axe to grind at all. I purchased another product, in this case my #2 choice to the the Genesis. I love the car and am actually envious that I do not have a dealer like you have. I am actually pretty much like you, a jeans and t-shirt kinda guy. It is refreshing to see your loyalty to the product and to the dealers. You must realize though, that you have those sentiments because of how they treated you in addition to the quality of the vehicle. I hope that my local dealers will improve their level of service so that I might one day feel good about doing business with them. I am a huge fan of Hyundai and there products.

If you re-read my posts, you will see that I have never bashed the Genesis. It was at the top of my list of cars. As you so correctly stated, every manufacturer has bad dealers and bad sales people. I just happen to have both in my area. Doesn't make me think any less about the Genesis...it is truly a great vehicle.

Oh, one more thing...lighten up "Buddy", deep breaths, its all good. You have a great vehicle and what seems to be a great dealer. If you think I am wrong for wanting what you got, well, that is up to you. I think you got the total package based on your post. I was just not willing to settle for less. I did contact Hyundai and registered my concerns. I think that is why I got the final call from the Hyundai dealer. It just didn't go as I had hoped. My sister has a Veracruz and loves it. Her dealer is very accomodating like yours seems to be. I am not soured on Hyundai in any way, just my local dealers.
 
KaBerle: I am sorry that you did not understand my post. I have no axe to grind at all. I purchased another product, in this case my #2 choice to the the Genesis. I love the car and am actually envious that I do not have a dealer like you have. I am actually pretty much like you, a jeans and t-shirt kinda guy. It is refreshing to see your loyalty to the product and to the dealers. You must realize though, that you have those sentiments because of how they treated you in addition to the quality of the vehicle. I hope that my local dealers will improve their level of service so that I might one day feel good about doing business with them. I am a huge fan of Hyundai and there products.

If you re-read my posts, you will see that I have never bashed the Genesis. It was at the top of my list of cars. As you so correctly stated, every manufacturer has bad dealers and bad sales people. I just happen to have both in my area. Doesn't make me think any less about the Genesis...it is truly a great vehicle.

Oh, one more thing...lighten up "Buddy", deep breaths, its all good. You have a great vehicle and what seems to be a great dealer. If you think I am wrong for wanting what you got, well, that is up to you. I think you got the total package based on your post. I was just not willing to settle for less. I did contact Hyundai and registered my concerns. I think that is why I got the final call from the Hyundai dealer. It just didn't go as I had hoped. My sister has a Veracruz and loves it. Her dealer is very accomodating like yours seems to be. I am not soured on Hyundai in any way, just my local dealers.

Well I'm glad we got that cleared up.......... I offer you my hand as well then "Buddy"........ I think you did the right thing to complain directly to Hyundai..... The reality is you have a good car in the Volvo....... so the only losers are those Hyundai dealers in your area......... I have never owned a Hyundai before....... this is the first one........ I have no particular loyalty to Hyundai except to say so far so good......... By the way did you register on the Volvo Owners website?....... is there bashing of the Volvo going on in there?.... lol
 
Hello Doug. How is the Milan treating you? Hopefully so far so good.

Hi IminPA

Yes, so far so good thanks- it's a pretty decent car overall. But God, I miss that smart key and the Lexicon sound system!
 
Congrats on your new Volvo btw - it's a nice vehicle. Tested one myself as well. I really like the new XC60 a lot as well.




KaBerle: I am sorry that you did not understand my post. I have no axe to grind at all. I purchased another product, in this case my #2 choice to the the Genesis. I love the car and am actually envious that I do not have a dealer like you have. I am actually pretty much like you, a jeans and t-shirt kinda guy. It is refreshing to see your loyalty to the product and to the dealers. You must realize though, that you have those sentiments because of how they treated you in addition to the quality of the vehicle. I hope that my local dealers will improve their level of service so that I might one day feel good about doing business with them. I am a huge fan of Hyundai and there products.

If you re-read my posts, you will see that I have never bashed the Genesis. It was at the top of my list of cars. As you so correctly stated, every manufacturer has bad dealers and bad sales people. I just happen to have both in my area. Doesn't make me think any less about the Genesis...it is truly a great vehicle.

Oh, one more thing...lighten up "Buddy", deep breaths, its all good. You have a great vehicle and what seems to be a great dealer. If you think I am wrong for wanting what you got, well, that is up to you. I think you got the total package based on your post. I was just not willing to settle for less. I did contact Hyundai and registered my concerns. I think that is why I got the final call from the Hyundai dealer. It just didn't go as I had hoped. My sister has a Veracruz and loves it. Her dealer is very accomodating like yours seems to be. I am not soured on Hyundai in any way, just my local dealers.
 
I take it personally when someone bashes the car I own or its dealers on whatever level because it is comments like that that make a reputation and affect the future value of my car.....

This is an incredibly weak argument. If the Hyundai dealer experience is, on average, much worse than comparable "luxury" brands, or even other "near luxury" brands, then that knowledge will get around anyway, whether they discuss it on this board or not, and that will damage the reputation and value of your car. It's also not bashing to actually describe your experience.

Don't get me wrong ImInPA buddy.... you have every right to say what you want as much as I have the right to tell you to keep it to yourself........ What I am saying is ...... go to the VOLVOOWNERS site.... and complain about the Hyundai Dealers there.... would seem to make more sense.........

No, that would make less sense. ImInPA was a prospective owner that basically was turned off by a poor dealer experience. That likely means that this dealer is turning off other customers that won't bother to say anything publicly, but will tell their friends who might show any interest in a Genesis. The dealers actions cause far more damage to the "reputation" and thus "future value" of your car than anything a single person can say on a forum.

I'm also quite sure that Hyundai Owners who are having a problem with there dealers are passing that info on to Hyundai without the need to do it here

Perhaps they do, but prospective owners, and owners who selected other vehicles due to the dealer, are probably more important to hear from. They represent lost revenue opportunities for Hyundai, and those lost customers will likely pass on their less than acceptable experience to others, and that has significant drag on the value of the car and the status of owning a Genesis.

It's quite obvious that Hyundai understands this whether you do or not. My dealer made it very clear that Hyundai was placing a significant emphasis on the dealer experience and that I would be receiving follow up calls from Hyundai regarding my sales experience and anything less than perfect was not acceptable. They made sure I was satisfied at every step and I've received three calls from Hyundai regarding my experience, a call just a few days after purchase, a call a few weeks later, and, most recently, a followup to verify that the dealer service was going well and that the dealer had followed up with me and was making sure I was totally satisfied.

While the dealer I actually purchased from would never be confused for a Lexus or BMW experience, they offered a relaxing, practical purchasing experience in professional environment. They offered snacks, coffee, and soda during the negotiating experience and played no "numbers games". They have followed up several time since, always asking if I'm completely satisfied. When I brought the car in for normal maintenance they've been excellent (quick service while I waited with WiFi access in the waiting room so I could do some work).

Also, I don't think that ImInPA did "bash" the car or the dealer, or Hyundai, he simply stated his experience, and, as an owner, I'm interested in it. If you are not then simply don't read about it, although that seems to be a concept people on this forum don't seem to get. If this forum is supposed to be some type of sterile environment where people are only to say good things about Hyundai and the Genesis then I might as well just join the Hyundai sponsored forum. I come hear to read about honest opinions of Hyundai and the Genesis, including their dealer experience, good or bad. So far I haven't seen anything from the moderators of this forum that indicate criticisms are off limits so that's why I'm still here.

As far as whether members of other forums "bash" the vehicles they own, well, I don't know about Volvo owners, but I have a BMW owning friend who spends much time on some BMW forums and there is far more "bashing" on that forum than I've seen here. Of course they call it being "discerning" about the flaws of their vehicle or their dealer. I think that's part of being in the luxury market, and Hyundai is trying to play there with the Genesis, so criticism is going to come.
 
This is an incredibly weak argument. If the Hyundai dealer experience is, on average, much worse than comparable "luxury" brands, or even other "near luxury" brands, then that knowledge will get around anyway, whether they discuss it on this board or not, and that will damage the reputation and value of your car. It's also not bashing to actually describe your experience.



No, that would make less sense. ImInPA was a prospective owner that basically was turned off by a poor dealer experience. That likely means that this dealer is turning off other customers that won't bother to say anything publicly, but will tell their friends who might show any interest in a Genesis. The dealers actions cause far more damage to the "reputation" and thus "future value" of your car than anything a single person can say on a forum.



Perhaps they do, but prospective owners, and owners who selected other vehicles due to the dealer, are probably more important to hear from. They represent lost revenue opportunities for Hyundai, and those lost customers will likely pass on their less than acceptable experience to others, and that has significant drag on the value of the car and the status of owning a Genesis.

It's quite obvious that Hyundai understands this whether you do or not. My dealer made it very clear that Hyundai was placing a significant emphasis on the dealer experience and that I would be receiving follow up calls from Hyundai regarding my sales experience and anything less than perfect was not acceptable. They made sure I was satisfied at every step and I've received three calls from Hyundai regarding my experience, a call just a few days after purchase, a call a few weeks later, and, most recently, a followup to verify that the dealer service was going well and that the dealer had followed up with me and was making sure I was totally satisfied.

While the dealer I actually purchased from would never be confused for a Lexus or BMW experience, they offered a relaxing, practical purchasing experience in professional environment. They offered snacks, coffee, and soda during the negotiating experience and played no "numbers games". They have followed up several time since, always asking if I'm completely satisfied. When I brought the car in for normal maintenance they've been excellent (quick service while I waited with WiFi access in the waiting room so I could do some work).

Also, I don't think that ImInPA did "bash" the car or the dealer, or Hyundai, he simply stated his experience, and, as an owner, I'm interested in it. If you are not then simply don't read about it, although that seems to be a concept people on this forum don't seem to get. If this forum is supposed to be some type of sterile environment where people are only to say good things about Hyundai and the Genesis then I might as well just join the Hyundai sponsored forum. I come hear to read about honest opinions of Hyundai and the Genesis, including their dealer experience, good or bad. So far I haven't seen anything from the moderators of this forum that indicate criticisms are off limits so that's why I'm still here.

As far as whether members of other forums "bash" the vehicles they own, well, I don't know about Volvo owners, but I have a BMW owning friend who spends much time on some BMW forums and there is far more "bashing" on that forum than I've seen here. Of course they call it being "discerning" about the flaws of their vehicle or their dealer. I think that's part of being in the luxury market, and Hyundai is trying to play there with the Genesis, so criticism is going to come.

If it makes you feel better to cut up every word I say then go ahead and feel better...... My thoughts are no less relevant than ImInPA........ for someone doesn't consider it bashing to talk about a dealer experience and implying that therefore the car company is bad you sure have done a lot of bashing of my views......You said it yourself.... BMW Owners bashing BMW....... You say you want to hear ImInPA dealer experience..... how does this affect you.... are you planning to buy from his dealer....... no ....... so then why do you care about his dealer..... you should care about your dealer.... that is why ImInPA did the right thing and contacted Hyundai about the problem......... If there is a bad teacher in a school .... you complain to the principal about it and get it corrected.... you don't go on a forum and complain about a bad teacher and then say therefore my kids are no longer going to that school like its the schools fault.....
 
Hi IminPA

Yes, so far so good thanks- it's a pretty decent car overall. But God, I miss that smart key and the Lexicon sound system!

I settled on a Volvo, and it has the "insert key fob into slot then press start" system. The full keyless entry is a great Genesis feature. It is part of a rather pricey-for what-you-get package on the Volvo. I do like that feature on the Genesis. Overall the Genesis has some great luxury do-dads.
 
Volvo's traditionally do not have great resale compared with other Lux cars during the first three years. This year, they are really hurting and are offering HUGE incentives. I pay cash for a car, and the incentives that I received from both Volvo and the Dealer have more than offset the loss in resale value. I personally have never viewed a car as an Investment. I am not looking for anything more than reliable service during the life of the vehicle. I would much rather have the incentives up front than rely on some resale value down the road. I can assure you that even with the incentives, they are not "giving them away." There is plenty of profit in a car, regardless of what a dealer may tell you. I my area, I received an offer to buy a Hyundai Santa Fe at sticker, and receive a Hyundai Accent for $1. I can assure you that Hyundai is not losing money on that deal either. True, they are not maximizing their profit, but, they are certainly not losing money.

where you live?? because that hyundai deal a dealer is doing in my area and that wouldnt be hyundai losing money because their not sponsoring that. and there isnt as much money (profit wise) in a hyundai as YOU may think.
 
what ive found as a salesperson is that people who come into a dealer with a negative attitude normally leave out with one. people who actually seem like they enjoy shopping for cars are likewise happier when they leave. so yall can talk what you want..dealer did this, dealer did that. who knows how you were acting, dealers are ran by human beings and if you get stupid..they can too. they probably wouldnt want a customer such as yourselves anyway, so they care less if they tick you off when you came in sideways to begin with.
 
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