Genesis on sale date?

[srobak]

Hyundai is also making a stretched version of the G90 (aka EQ900L) that is targeting the Mercedes-Maybach in size. Hyundai is targeting the physical dimensions and feature sets of A8/7er/S/LS.

Actually the G90 will supposedly only be in the US as a long wheelbase - to target the hot german lux sellers here... specifically the A8L and the 750Li - both of which outsell their short-wheelbase siblings at a 3:1 factor.

 

[jsmit86]

Actually the G90 will supposedly only be in the US as a long wheelbase - to target the hot german lux sellers here... specifically the A8L and the 750Li - both of which outsell their short-wheelbase siblings at a 3:1 factor.

I wonder if that will be the case.
The EQ900L will have a 136" wheelbase.
The A8L is 122.9, the BWM 750L is 126.4
The EQ900 is really more of a Limo play.



http://www.carscoops.com/2016/03/genesis-opulently-stretches-out-g90-to.html

The G90 is listed at 124.4.", the same as the standard EQ900. That does compare with the A8L and BMW 750L Long Wheelbase models.

 

[8spd]

Actually the G90 will supposedly only be in the US as a long wheelbase - to target the hot german lux sellers here... specifically the A8L and the 750Li - both of which outsell their short-wheelbase siblings at a 3:1 factor.

Yes, the G90 is dimentionally closer to the LWB Germain rivals and actually no SWB equivalent is offered.

The EQ900L that I was referring to is more like a Mercedes-Maybach or Extended Wheelbase Bentley and Rolls Royce. It is a proper limo not available in the US, clearly aiming at the Mercedes-Maybach in size segment. I praise Hyundai for building one.

That will be one hell of a Uber though, I definitely pay a premium for that. Actually it will be awesome to see some G90 used as Uber.

http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/genesis-eq900l-takes-aim-mercedes-maybach

 

[Sal Collaziano]

I know I'm a little late to the party but $77k is too good to be true for a fully loaded Genesis G90. That would be an amazing price for what you get. Cadillac's CT6 tops out at about $90k...The Lexus LS starts at $72k...

 

[cane2025]

so will 77k be the MSRP?isn't the MSRP always higher then the actual dealer price?

 

[Seattle Genesis]

So I found out the G90 will have soft closing doors, but will it have auto park assist? I'm pretty sure the current Genesis (outside the US) has it. Is there a feature list or color choices yet?

 

[YEH]

Actually the G90 will supposedly only be in the US as a long wheelbase - to target the hot german lux sellers here... specifically the A8L and the 750Li - both of which outsell their short-wheelbase siblings at a 3:1 factor.

If it's anything, the G90 is a SWB - but as w/ the Genesis/G80 is longer than the competition, so kinda splits the difference btwn their SWB and LWB lengths.


Anyway, here's the G80.

2017 Genesis G80 and sport model (with the obligatory mesh-style grill treatment).

The design of the 2G Genesis was OK, but really didn't do anything for me.

This is just a light refresh (minor cosmetic changes) done for the brand/nomenclature change-over (still don't like the shape of the headlights, but some minor improvements for the G80 model; don't like the lower front treatment for the sport model).

Think there will be a more substantial refresh done later taking into account more of the design cues from the New York concept.

 

[8spd]

If it's anything, the G90 is a SWB - but as w/ the Genesis/G80 is longer than the competition, so kinda splits the difference btwn their SWB and LWB lengths.


Anyway, here's the G80.

2017 Genesis G80 and sport model (with the obligatory mesh-style grill treatment).

The design of the 2G Genesis was OK, but really didn't do anything for me.

This is just a light refresh (minor cosmetic changes) done for the brand/nomenclature change-over (still don't like the shape of the headlights, but some minor improvements for the G80 model; don't like the lower front treatment for the sport model).

Think there will be a more substantial refresh done later taking into account more of the design cues from the New York concept.

Wait, they are doing a Genesis Sedan/G80 facelift already on the 3rd year? That will show them early adapters, gotta be great for the resale value. I wonder if the G80 will get the new Turbo V6.

Also, they won't be able to have dedicated dealerships initially. Just as I suspected. Gotta be fun trying to sell the G80/G90 next to the Elantra.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money...uxury-brand-could-face-growing-pain/82538122/

 

[jsmit86]

Other than the sport model, I'm not picking up on any major face lift for the G80.
I watched the unveiling video from the Busan Auto Show. In the Korean Domestic Market they will extend the Genesis warranty benefits to all DH owners. If they follow suit in the US Market, that could mean improved loaner support, or valet type service. Stay tuned.

 

[Nikgen]

Other than the sport model, I'm not picking up on any major face lift for the G80.
I watched the unveiling video from the Busan Auto Show. In the Korean Domestic Market they will extend the Genesis warranty benefits to all DH owners. If they follow suit in the US Market, that could mean improved loaner support, or valet type service. Stay tuned.

Looks like the pics of the non Sport model show new LED headlights and a new lower air dam/trim. Also, from the Busan unveiling video, it appears that the 3.3 T engine will likely also be available on the "regular" G80 too (that would explain the extra new air vents under the grill - for the intercooler).

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[8spd]

Looks like the pics of the non Sport model show new LED headlights and a new lower air dam/trim.

Yeah, that's what I mean by facelift. The sports model doesn't look too bad, for the non-sport the current design is cleaner.

 

[srobak]

Wait, they are doing a Genesis Sedan/G80 facelift already on the 3rd year? That will show them early adapters, gotta be great for the resale value.

This is a non-issue, and is actually pretty typical of almost all models of cars. In the industry it is called a "mid-cycle refresh"... which is just a few minor exterior points (like revamped head or tail lights and some bottom trim changes) and a couple interior ones - all of which do not require major re-tooling. This has been a standard in the auto industry for a very long time.

The full-on redesign usually comes at the 4 or 5 year mark for most cars, 6 on the majority of the luxobarges - though in some cases even 8. There are incremental refreshes at 2 or 3 years all along that path however.

 

[8spd]

This is a non-issue, and is actually pretty typical of almost all models of cars. In the industry it is called a "mid-cycle refresh"... which is just a few minor exterior points (like revamped head or tail lights and some bottom trim changes) and a couple interior ones - all of which do not require major re-tooling. This has been a standard in the auto industry for a very long time.

The full-on redesign usually comes at the 4 or 5 year mark for most cars, 6 on the majority of the luxobarges - though in some cases even 8. There are incremental refreshes at 2 or 3 years all along that path however.

If it's typically, please name me 3 examples where the car model receives a facelift on its 3rd model year. No please, educate me. I frankly cannot think of another example. That's pretty early and not typical at all.

There is the 2013 Civic which is a rather major update just one year after a major redesign. The 2012 Civic of course was not well received, actually a bit of a disaster for Honda really.

Don't get me wrong, it's actually good that Hyundai is continuously improving its product. I don't find the facelift to be better looking, but if it is to improve airflow for the turbo engine, I can see why. The new Audi like gearshift design is also nice.

But still, a facelift on the 3rd model year is a bit soon and unusual.

 

[Mark_888]

If it's typically, please name me 3 examples where the car model receives a facelift on its 3rd model year. No please, educate me. I frankly cannot think of another example. That's pretty early and not typical at all.

There is the 2013 Civic which is a rather major update just one year after a major redesign. The 2012 Civic of course was not well received, actually a bit of a disaster for Honda really.

Don't get me wrong, it's actually good that Hyundai is continuously improving its product. I don't find the facelift to be better looking, but if it is to improve airflow for the turbo engine, I can see why. The new Audi like gearshift design is also nice.

But still, a facelift on the 3rd model year is a bit soon and unusual.

I don't know what you mean by "facelift" but almost all Japanese and Korean cars get at least tail light mods in year 3 or 4.

 

[8spd]

I don't know what you mean by "facelift" but almost all Japanese and Korean cars get at least tail light mods in year 3 or 4.

A facelift is the exterior cosmetic changes made during a model cycle between major redesigns. Typically involves only bumpers and lights. But on occasion some body panel changes also occur. E.g. W212 E-Class and 2nd Gen Acura TL.

For this to occur on the 3rd model year, just 2 years into a major redesign is rare. I would love to hear and learn about other examples.

 

[balfor]

A facelift is the exterior cosmetic changes made during a model cycle between major redesigns. Typically involves only bumpers and lights. But on occasion some body panel changes also occur. E.g. W212 E-Class and 2nd Gen Acura TL.

For this to occur on the 3rd model year, just 2 years into a major redesign is rare. I would love to hear and learn about other examples.

How about 1 year? The 3rd generation Lexus GS was released in 2006 with a GS300 and GS430. For 2007, just ONE year later the GS300 was dropped and replaced by a totally different engined car, the GS350 in 2007. Then in 2008, just ONE more year, the car was significantly updated with new styling front and rear, new steering wheel, new wheels, etc. I think the GS460 was released for '08 as well but too lazy to look it up. That would mean the GS430 was only a two year car.

Don't get too hung up on the quick changes, they happen. The luxury sedan market is brutal so kudos to Hyundai for keeping the car competitive.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

The Toyota Camry has had three different designs (not mid-cycle refreshes) in the past 3 or 4 years. They actually did a complete redesign after a complete redesign that only lasted a year or two. The most recent design being every single panel on the car except for the roof.

 

[Mark_888]

The Toyota Camry has had three different designs (not mid-cycle refreshes) in the past 3 or 4 years. They actually did a complete redesign after a complete redesign that only lasted a year or two. The most recent design being every single panel on the car except for the roof.

Toyota went over-board trying to appeal to younger buyers, and were forced to change the sheet metal when people were getting really turned off. For a car that normally has the sales volume of the Camry, a mistake like that can be very expensive, justifying the rapid changes.

There have been a lot of failed design concepts coming out of Japan in recent years. Another example was the 2009 Acura TL (which is now called TLX). Also, the "beak" on all Acura models have not been good for the brand IMO. I noticed that the new 2017 MDX has finally lost the beak, which I assume will be dropped from the rest of the Acura line going forward.

 

[8spd]

How about 1 year? The 3rd generation Lexus GS was released in 2006 with a GS300 and GS430. For 2007, just ONE year later the GS300 was dropped and replaced by a totally different engined car, the GS350 in 2007. Then in 2008, just ONE more year, the car was significantly updated with new styling front and rear, new steering wheel, new wheels, etc. I think the GS460 was released for '08 as well but too lazy to look it up. That would mean the GS430 was only a two year car.

Don't get too hung up on the quick changes, they happen. The luxury sedan market is brutal so kudos to Hyundai for keeping the car competitive.

A new powertrain is not the same as a facelift. "A facelift is the exterior cosmetic changes made during a model cycle between major redesigns."

My point once again is that it is rare for that to happen so early in the model cycle. You find me 3 examples of early cosmetic changes, I can counter back wit 30 examples where no cosmetic changes occur until the 4th model year.

Of course this G80 facelift coincide with the launch of the Genesis brand. I could careless whether it happens on the 2nd, 3rd or 4th model year. But it certainly doesn't help the resale value of 2015-16 Genesis sedans.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Toyota went over-board trying to appeal to younger buyers, and were forced to change the sheet metal when people were getting really turned off. For a car that normally has the sales volume of the Camry, a mistake like that can be very expensive, justifying the rapid changes.

There have been a lot of failed design concepts coming out of Japan in recent years. Another example was the 2009 Acura TL (which is now called TLX). Also, the "beak" on all Acura models have not been good for the brand IMO. I noticed that the new 2017 MDX has finally lost the beak, which I assume will be dropped from the rest of the Acura line going forward.

I agree with you on Acura but the newer (2015) Camry is even more aggressive than the one before it - so they're now going for a more youthful market than before...

A new powertrain is not the same as a facelift. "A facelift is the exterior cosmetic changes made during a model cycle between major redesigns."

My point once again is that it is rare for that to happen so early in the model cycle. You find me 3 examples of early cosmetic changes, I can counter back wit 30 examples where no cosmetic changes occur until the 4th model year.

Of course this G80 facelift coincide with the launch of the Genesis brand. I could careless whether it happens on the 2nd, 3rd or 4th model year. But it certainly doesn't help the resale value of 2015-16 Genesis sedans.

Yes, more often than not the 4th model year gets the facelift/refresh. Many wait even longer. I think it's good for "Hyundai" and "Genesis Motors" - as brands - to have done the midcycle refresh a little early considering THEY (the brands) need to differentiate the "Hyundai Genesis Sedan" from the "Genesis G80". It needed to be done. But you're 100% right - it doesn't do anything good for the resale value of the Hyundai Genesis Sedan. The thing is - Hyundai Motor Company and Genesis Motors need to do what's best for their future - to continue offering us excellent vehicles. It's a little bit of a catch 22...