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And still we await the Genesis SUV/CUV line

I never said they promised anything. When the said they were going to have a couple of SUV's, it was clearly stated they would not be ready until 2019-2020 timeframe.

Further, any criticisms of their SUV strategy revolved around how long it would take to design and build them from scratch, versus create one based on the Santa Fe platform (at lest for the first one). Genesis management made it quite clear early on that were not going to build one based on the Santa Fe, and therefore it would take awhile.

Any discussion of the wisdom of their decision to take a couple years longer and build all their SUV's from scratch (instead of at least one based on a Santa Fe) was based on opinions about their business strategy, and their ability to rollout dedicated Genesis dealerships that are profitable without an SUV on day one. I would bet that a lot of prospective Genesis dealers would agree with me on that one, as have several members of this forum.

There was never any suggestion that Genesis went back on any promises. Such suggestions are absurd, and an excuse for inflammatory posts on this forum.

Ok I get it. You were just kidding when you posted under “and still we await the Genesis SUV/CUV line” that Genesis announced the SUV about two years ago. That was nothing negative about them. Now I see you say it was clearly stated it would be 2019/20. So why your post about the two years? You are really good at this kidding stuff!
 
Ok I get it. You were just kidding when you posted under “and still we await the Genesis SUV/CUV line” that Genesis announced the SUV about two years ago. That was nothing negative about them. Now I see you say it was clearly stated it would be 2019/20. So why your post about the two years? You are really good at this kidding stuff!
I don't know what you are talking about. Genesis Motors as a separate brand in the USA was announced about 2 years ago. At that time, they let it be known that eventually they would have at least one SUV (I am not going to type SUV/CUV and will consider them both to be SUV's). There was nothing dramatic about that, as just about every single brand in the world has a SUV, even Rolls Royce. I didn't consider that a promise, just a statement of what was rather obvious.

I personally think the decision earlier this year to accelerate the dedicated Genesis dealerships (originally they said up to 5 years for that to happen) made the lack of a SUV more of an issue for Genesis dealers, but that is just my opinion.

As far as you quoting me as saying “and still we await the Genesis SUV/CUV line” I would like to see that post if you don't mind.
 
I don't know what you are talking about. Genesis Motors as a separate brand in the USA was announced about 2 years ago. At that time, they let it be known that eventually they would have at least one SUV (I am not going to type SUV/CUV and will consider them both to be SUV's). There was nothing dramatic about that, as just about every single brand in the world has a SUV, even Rolls Royce. I didn't consider that a promise, just a statement of what was rather obvious.

I personally think the decision earlier this year to accelerate the dedicated Genesis dealerships (originally they said up to 5 years for that to happen) made the lack of a SUV more of an issue for Genesis dealers, but that is just my opinion.

As far as you quoting me as saying “and still we await the Genesis SUV/CUV line” I would like to see that post if you don't mind.

I didn’t say you said it, I said you posted it under that thread
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Who's on first. What's on second.

That's what I said.

https://youtu.be/bpxkyTc9Z38

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So, as I was saying. And still we await the Genesis SUV/CUV offerings. No vehicles = No sales.
 
I don’t disagree and demand for SUVs and crossovers isn’t expected to cool anytime soon. Also right now many car sales are falling also

FORD: Deliveries fall on slump in SUVs
http://www.autonews.com/article/20180301/RETAIL01/180309773/ford-feburary-sales
Overall, SUV/CUV sales are climbing. Ford has its own problems.

You forget to mention this story about new Genesis dealerships, that was advertised in the link above.
http://www.autonews.com/article/201...ndai-genesis-dealers-franchise-standalone?itx
 
Overall, SUV/CUV sales are climbing. Ford has its own problems.

You forget to mention this story about new Genesis dealerships, that was advertised in the l ink above.
http://www.autonews.com/article/201...ndai-genesis-dealers-franchise-standalone?itx

I guess I didn’t see it. But now that I’ve read it, is there some new information there that we didn’t already know? 100 dealers to start with the likelihood of expanding that number in the future.
 
This is a long way away if this line is accurate
"The smaller of two crossovers should be launched in early 2020 although Hyundai is said to be fast-tracking these models as US dealers are extremely keen to have them."

Yup, that is exactly one of the things that stood out when I read it.
 
This article surprised me a little about timing but I have no idea if it can be trusted.

ANALYSIS - Genesis future models
https://www.just-auto.com/analysis/analysis-genesis-future-models_id181651.aspx


That article is wrong on a # of things.

This is the Genesis product roadmap from a couple of years ago.

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The coupe was slated to be the last of the core 6 model Genesis line-up (which since has been expanded to 7, adding a smaller CUV; no word on how many EV models Genesis has in development, but they are working on 2 different sized EV platforms) with the larger GV80 to be the first of the CUVs.

YEG stated that there may be a delay due to the development of the new Genesis platform - which means that not only will the GV80 and GV70 likely be delayed, but the next gen G80.

Also, Australia will be launching the Genesis brand shortly (within a month or 2) w/ the G70 and G80 (no G90 for that market).

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Really don't know why there are still complaints about Genesis not yet having a CUV or for that matter, the delay being due to wanting it to be RWD as opposed to FWD as have already explained this in previous threads about the same issue.


1. The platform underpinning the outgoing Santa Fe Sport/SF was not good enough to perform duty for a luxury model.

2. Hyundai has sizing/packaging issues with its current CUV lineup - which they are correcting starting with the next gen Santa Fe and the larger 3-row Palisade; so if they had built a Genesis CUV based on the older platform, would have brought about the same issue/problem (in addition to #1).

3. Even if #1 and #2 weren't issues, or were issues Hyundai/Genesis was willing to overlook simply to get a CUV to market, as stated prior, there was the whole issue of lack of production capacity.

Hyundai was already struggling to produce enough of the CUVs it does have, didn't make sense to spend the $$ to develop another one when capacity issues existed (instead, should simply have built more of the CUVs they already had).

4. As stated numerous times, Genesis does not want its CUVs to compete against the likes of the NX/RX, RDX/MDX, MKC/MKX(Nautilus), XT4/XT5, QX50/QX60 but rather against the likes of the X3/X5 and GLC/GLE - which have greater cachet and are priced considerably higher than the FWD/transverse competition.

RWD/AWD also allows BMW and MB to offer performance variants (which go much higher in price - an X5 M is priced around $115k mark), something Lexus can only dream of with the RX.

5. YEG (who has more at stake than any of us here) has stated that RWD/AWD is the way to go for the Genesis CUVs and that while the seeming delay is disappointing, he'd rather Genesis take their time and do it right.

6. Lincoln's CUV offerings have been underwhelming to say the least - and even w/ the MKC being priced several thousand less than the NX and the MKX priced similarly against the RX, Lincoln's CUVs have lagged significantly behind in sales.

Well, Lincoln is looking to boost its CUV line-up w/ the production version of the Aviator concept (slotting above the MKX/Nautilus) which will be based on a RWD/AWD platform.

Doing so - allows Lincoln to do 2 things.

1. Permits non-AWD versions of the Aviator to have as much power as the 400HP from Ford/Lincoln's 3.0TT, as well as to allow for an even higher output performance variant.

2. Give the Aviator a more elegant design in line w/ traditional, luxury automobiles - with a longer hood-line and shorter overhangs.

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Presently, Lincoln offers cut-price Lexus CUV competitors; the Aviator will allow Lincoln to actually by-pass what Lexus currently has in their CUV line-up.

7. The head of product development at Kia has been hinting at a future K900-based CUV (and presumably a Stinger-based one as a well); yeah, Genesis should have gone the cheapo FWD route when Kia isn't.

8. The new Santa Fe and Palisade Hyundai CUVs are a good bit nicer than past Hyundai CUVs - one could say that they are near-premium which really doesn't leave much room for tarted-up Genesis versions.

9. And even if all those things aforementioned were not issues, Genesis already having a CUV out would have complicated the separation of the Genesis brand to stand-alone dealerships. Hyundai has offered certain dealerships more than $4 million in compensation if they don't end up being awarded a Genesis franchise.

That's for selling the relatively low volume G80 and G90; how much more in compensation would it have been if they were already selling a CUV or 2?

Speaking of the Aviator, Lincoln has really stepped up its game w/ regards to the interior in the Aviator (as well as w/ the BoF SUV Navigator) and Genesis will have to make sure that its CUVs will be able to match what Lincoln is bringing to the table (much less the Germans).


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Most of these points have been brought up before (note the list/point format to make it easier to understand, as some seem to have issues) and yet, some people still complain about the same thing (over and over again) when they haven't been able to rebut any of these points.

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Everyone on this forum knows your posts are too long. I could probably rebut what you posted, but I am not even going to read it.

Like you haven't droned on about some little, insignificant issue?

And you haven't rebutted (since when have you ever passed up a chance to argue?); you've argued w/ more people on GO than anyone else - turning a lot of people off w/ your condescending attitude) b/c you can't, not b/c you choose not to.

Heck, don't have to read the whole thing - just pick a couple of points and rebut them.
 
Yes, as I was saying...And still we await the Genesis SUV/CUV offerings. No vehicles = No sales.
 
Yes, as I was saying...And still we await the Genesis SUV/CUV offerings. No vehicles = No sales.

So? I imagine the people at Hyundai HQ are aware of that and have a plan. How many US cars have been rushed to market to gain a reputation of being crap? Too many. US companies are worried about profits next quarter no matter what. Asians would rather do it right and not bring shame to their ancestors. It is a different life philosophy.

It takes a long time to design and build a new car no matter how much we bitch about it. I'm more concerned about what to make for dinner tonight that when a new car will be introduced. Different priorities I guess.
 
It takes a long time to design and build a new car no matter how much we bitch about it.
Yes it does, which is why it is important to have employees who can think ahead and plan ahead. If they can't, then maybe they need some new management.

I am not bitching about it, other than wondering how Genesis dealers are going to make a profit with an SUV. I would bet a lot of money that Genesis dealers are bitching about it.
 
Yes it does, which is why it is important to have employees who can think ahead and plan ahead. If they can't, then maybe they need some new management.

I am not bitching about it, other than wondering how Genesis dealers are going to make a profit with an SUV. I would bet a lot of money that Genesis dealers are bitching about it.

Do you (or anyone else) have evidence they did not plan? Not only do they have to design the car, they have to have the facilities to manufacture it also. Were the dealers told anything different than what is actually happening? If they were told they would have an SUV to sell in 2017 you can bet they'd be bitching, but if they were told 2020, they have nothing to say, just quietly sob in their beer.

Maybe they will be kind enough to post a copy of their Gantt Chart so we can talk about facts instead of speculation.
 
Do you (or anyone else) have evidence they did not plan? Not only do they have to design the car, they have to have the facilities to manufacture it also. Were the dealers told anything different than what is actually happening? If they were told they would have an SUV to sell in 2017 you can bet they'd be bitching, but if they were told 2020, they have nothing to say, just quietly sob in their beer.

Maybe they will be kind enough to post a copy of their Gantt Chart so we can talk about facts instead of speculation.
Obviously they plan, but in this case they didn't plan far enough in advance or didn't make the right strategic decisions about what the market wants, or a problem with management not listening to the their marketing department. This seems to be a problem not just for the Genesis brand but all of Hyundai (who has also been struggling to meet SUV demand).

You are correct that it does involve planning for manufacturing facilities besides the design and fabrication of the vehicle. Other manufacturers do it. For a brand new vehicle built from scratch, it could take four years, but they just have to plan that far ahead to keep up with the competition.

I am not sure how anyone could think that Genesis Motors USA could create completely separate dealerships without a SUV. That wasn't so much of a problem while they were still selling them at Hyundai dealers, but it will be a problem, and likely delay the building of the dealerships.

As I said, I am not upset about it, just commenting on the half-arse rollout of the Genesis Motors brand in the USA, without proper planning. That doesn't mean they didn't plan, but they didn't forecast correctly. That poor rollout of the brand in the USA includes not getting cars registered and licensed by the states as a Genesis (instead of a Hyundai), and not having any SUVs to sell initially that would make the dealers profitable. But I guess they will eventually figure it out.

Meanwhile BMW has already rolled out a new FWD SUV and is already planning 6 FWD vehicles, per the article I posted about previously. But nooooooo, not Genesis Motors. God forbid that they have even one FWD in their lineup.
 
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So? I imagine the people at Hyundai HQ are aware of that and have a plan. How many US cars have been rushed to market to gain a reputation of being crap? Too many. US companies are worried about profits next quarter no matter what. Asians would rather do it right and not bring shame to their ancestors. It is a different life philosophy.

It takes a long time to design and build a new car no matter how much we bitch about it. I'm more concerned about what to make for dinner tonight that when a new car will be introduced. Different priorities I guess.

I think we could do without the racial stereotyping.

What are you having for dinner?
 
I think we could do without the racial stereotyping.

What are you having for dinner?

I don't think facts are profiling. I have Asians in my family and know this from their first hand experience. I think it is a compliment, not derogatory.
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