G70 US Availability?

[canucklehead604]

This is the g70 I want. Unfortunately the US marketers do not have my taste but Genesis isn't the only one that sells the car I want in the US market. We will see

^ +1, bingo. that is the combo i want in the 2.0T Sport (in Canada). and that is the combo that was presented at the CDN auto shows for the 3.3T Sport trim. it was also what showed on the Genesis website when configuring the 2.0T Sport. the dark 5-spoke wheels were a late change after we had placed deposits. very frustrating.

 

[canucklehead604]

It's not just the wheels, but also the dark chrome. Why does a top spec 3.3 have to have this aggressive look? Clearly lots of people are into that style and the 5-spoke rim does look good for "that look" (heavily sport). I just prefer standard chrome and a more luxurious look without missing all the extras. Cmon Genesis, do the right thing for the US!

^ while i do like the dark chrome look for trim, i agree with the wheels. i fear those wheels will be a passing fad, whereas the classy 10-spoke design is enduring and much less boy-racer.

 

[danygenesis]

Yes, top of the line should be the "luxury" not the sport. Why do I need to have a "sport looking" car for having all the extras. It has no sense at all to me.

 

[Tonester]

^ while i do like the dark chrome look for trim, i agree with the wheels. i fear those wheels will be a passing fad, whereas the classy 10-spoke design is enduring and much less boy-racer.

I don't dislike the dark chrome really. But it would have to be mated to a good looking luxury wheel, not the current dark 5-spoke. Not sure the 10-spoke alloy wheel (polished aluminum) would look good with dark chrome trim. But surely that would be a step in the right direction!

 

[Tonester]

^ +1, bingo. that is the combo i want in the 2.0T Sport (in Canada). and that is the combo that was presented at the CDN auto shows for the 3.3T Sport trim. it was also what showed on the Genesis website when configuring the 2.0T Sport. the dark 5-spoke wheels were a late change after we had placed deposits. very frustrating.

Seems like someone at Genesis had a bright (or dark) idea at the last moment and they substituted it on both Sport trims.

Genesis, we understand you need to limit trims and options, but please do your market research to see what the people want!

 

[devellis]

Yes, top of the line should be the "luxury" not the sport. Why do I need to have a "sport looking" car for having all the extras. It has no sense at all to me.

I get the impression that Genesis really wants the G70 to be seen as a more aggressive, sportier car than its other two sedans. It describes it as "near luxury," for example, and keeps emphasizing its aggressive design elements in press releases. This wasn't conceived as a luxury sedan so much as a sports sedan in the European tradition. And a lot of cars coming out of that tradition compromised luxury and creature comforts for performance. I don't actually think the G70 design is all that aggressive and, as a sedan, it's really not all that sporty, either. But I think they want to send the message that the G70 is what the M-series BMWs have been. From that perspective, with whatever flaws it has, I think making the sportiest version of the car the top tier makes more sense. I think the essence of its character, as Genesis sees it, is performance in a luxurious package, with performance taking priority. The G80, on the other hand, is a luxury car that is capable of performing reasonably well but the luxury is its primary appeal. If the top tier of the G70 were a heavily luxury-oriented model, I think that would undercut the concept that it's a return to the performance sedan idea that the Germans and Japanese seem to have largely abandoned. And that's the idea I think Genesis is shooting for as a foundation for this car's appeal.

This is a tough needle to thread. Most of the European builders have strayed from performance toward more luxury. I think Genesis thinks that's been a mistake and may be part of why sedan sales have eroded. But people aren't giving up sedans for sports cars but for SUVs. So, it remains to be seen how well the G70 will be received. Clearly, it has caught the attention of folks like us but it will need a larger audience of enthusiastic buyers to truly succeed. Admirers (and it will have many) are all fine and well. It's buyers, however, who will make or break the car's success. And Genesis is banking, at least for now, on more performance-oriented drivers as a key market for the G70.

 

[Mark_888]

I get the impression that Genesis really wants the G70 to be seen as a more aggressive, sportier car than its other two sedans.

They are aiming directly at BMW 3 series, whatever you want to call that.

 

[Stephen5242]

They are aiming directly at BMW 3 series, whatever you want to call that.

Yes and unfortunately BMW has changed its model as well. There use to be a sports package option on their 6 cylinder model and now it is standard.

There should be a top of the line model G70 without the black trim, black wheels, high performance staggered tires, LSD, sport suspension and brembo brakes and all of this as an optional sport package for those who want it.

This could simply be done by just adding HUD and the surround view camera systems to the 3.3t Dynamic package and change the 18" rims to nice non black wheels and price accordingly and keep the G70 Sport as is. The brembos on the dynamic are a nice touch.

 

[Mark_888]

Yes and unfortunately BMW has changed its model as well.

Worse than that, BMW has shifted focus to SUV's, most of which are made in the USA, as the market has shifted away from sedans, and Genesis doesn't have a single SUV yet.

 

[Tonester]

Very logical and well thought out perspective devellis! I do see your point and largely agree with your observations looking at the big picture and overall market awareness. I feel like the G70 body style really lends itself to a luxury sport look. Maybe I just don't like the looks of that dark 5-spoke and that's all there is to it. Someone used the term "boy racer" and I think that personifies what I don't like about these wheels. I'm in my 50's and looking for a more sophisticated mature look. I was initially interested in the Stinger, but for the same reason my taste drifted more toward the G70 as a more sophisticated car.

Sure seems to me that Stephen5242 has also hit the nail on the head! Genesis could satisfy both needs by just adding a "luxury" package for the Dynamic 3.3T. That would please many more people and still they could have their flagship Sport model to lead the charge for the G70.

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[Tonester]

Not sure where I got this picture, but this is the car I want; silver with polished 10-spokers! If this car has the dark chrome trim (hard to tell), then indeed these wheels look great as a complement to it!

 

[Mark_888]

Genesis could satisfy both needs by just adding a "luxury" package for the Dynamic 3.3T. That would please many more people and still they could have their flagship Sport model to lead the charge for the G70.

Given the expected prices of the G70, it seems questionable why someone would choose a G70 over a G80 if they wanted luxury. The whole idea of the G70 is to have a sports sedan, which needs to be noticeably lighter than the G80 to achieve that. Those just interested in a luxury sedan would find better value in the G80 at about the same price.

 

[Tonester]

Given the expected prices of the G70, it seems questionable why someone would choose a G70 over a G80 if they wanted luxury. The whole idea of the G70 is to have a sports sedan, which needs to be noticeably lighter than the G80 to achieve that. Those just interested in a luxury sedan would find better value in the G80 at about the same price.

I was under the impression the Genesis brand is all about luxury and that the G70 would be a compact luxury sports car; smallest in their lineup. That's all good to me. Not saying I don't want sport, but I just don't need "track car" sport and I don't want "boy racer" sport. I'm loving the fact that the G70 is all new and designed from the onset as a Genesis branded car and not a Hyundai inspired car like the G80. I also don't need the larger size of the G80 or the higher cost associated with that. G80 tech is below G70 tech for obvious reasons. I'm loving the fact that the G70 with 3.3T is nimble and performance oriented getting this car to 60 in just 4.5 seconds! Yes I still have some boy racer in me, but don't want the look of the car to show it!

 

[Stephen5242]

Given the expected prices of the G70, it seems questionable why someone would choose a G70 over a G80 if they wanted luxury. The whole idea of the G70 is to have a sports sedan, which needs to be noticeably lighter than the G80 to achieve that. Those just interested in a luxury sedan would find better value in the G80 at about the same price.

I am struggling with this idea as well. I like the G80 but it looks a bit dated inside and I don't think I need a vehicle that big. I have a BMW 335i that I would like to replace and want similar performance and I now want more luxury. Do not want to track the car and don't need the expensive high performance staggered tires. Just not a fan of black trim & black wheels and having a hard time choosing a G70 that I can live with.

 

[Mark_888]

I was under the impression the Genesis brand is all about luxury and that the G70 would be a compact luxury sports car; smallest in their lineup.

Luxury is a very wide category, from Acura/Genesis/Lexus to Bentley/RR, and some in the middle of those.

From everything I have read, the management of Genesis Motors is obsessed with the BMW 3 series, which was reflected in the G70. I don't exactly know all the trim levels of the BMW 3, but I would suspect it is not anywhere near the same level of luxury of a BMW 5 or 7.

 

[Mark_888]

I am struggling with this idea as well. I like the G80 but it looks a bit dated inside and I don't think I need a vehicle that big. I have a BMW 335i that I would like to replace and want similar performance and I now want more luxury. Do not want to track the car. Just not a fan of black trim & black wheels and having a hard time choosing a G70 that I can live with.

What competitive vehicle the size of a G70 would you say is a luxury vehicle, compared to the larger models from the same manufacturer?

To some extent, size is related to luxury, and I would not consider the G80 to be too large for most people, but I guess it depends on the person.

 

[Tonester]

Luxury is a very wide category, from Acura/Genesis/Lexus to Bentley/RR, and some in the middle of those.

From everything I have read, the management of Genesis Motors is obsessed with the BMW 3 series, which was reflected in the G70. I don't exactly know all the trim levels of the BMW 3, but I would suspect it is not anywhere near the same level of luxury of a BMW 5 or 7.

You may be right about Genesis management and them going after the BMW 3. Hoping they achieve what they're looking for!

Regarding luxury, it makes sense that luxury increases in any brand lineup as cost goes up. I'm not complaining that the G70 does not have enough luxury, just saying that Genesis should deliver a trim/package to satisfy the customer (like me) that wants less sport (I don't want black wheels) and more emphasis on the luxury that is already in the car's other trims.

 

[Stephen5242]

What competitive vehicle the size of a G70 would you say is a luxury vehicle, compared to the larger models from the same manufacturer?

To some extent, size is related to luxury, and I would not consider the G80 to be too large for most people, but I guess it depends on the person.

I don't have any kids so the G80 is larger than what I am use to. I had a BMW 540, but my 335 is now the same size as all models have growth creep with each new generation.

I consider the G70 to be luxurious. I want all the tech but not the sport package as I previously described and I can't get that with the dynamic. If I look at the 2.0 Prestige then I get all the tech but then have to live with high performance staggered tires, (which I don't want to deal with), and no brembo breaks. An odd combination with no 3.3t.

My G70 preference:

A 3.3t Dynamic with HUD and the surround view camera systems and change the 18" rims to nice non black wheels. A simple fix to meet my needs.

I like the 10 spoke 19" wheels but don't want the staggered sizes and don't want the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 tires as these are really track tires and will never get up to their proper handling temperature with day to day driving. They are designed to work within a much higher temperature range than what is required for the street. So, again, no real benefit unless you track the car.

 

[devellis]

Despite anecdotes to the contrary, there's a whole research literature within the specialty area of behavioral economics documenting that more choices can actually lower consumer satisfaction. This isn't always true. People don't like not having any choices; but they're not necessarily happier -- and are sometimes unhappier -- when there are too many choices. The reason is, that with many choices, we become more aware of the things we're giving up with any one specific selection. I think that may apply here. We see the bright, 10-spoke wheels and we want them. But we see the equipment on the Sport model and we wish we had it. But we can't have both, at least not as a standard offering. We see the power rear window shades on the G80 and long for them. We see the lighter weight and better performance of the G70 relative to the G80 and don't want to give that up. But again, we can't have both. Our attention is directed more toward what we wouldn't get on a particular car because we're aware that it's available elsewhere.

This is a tough battle for a car maker to win. If they offer virtually every feature on an a la carte basis, the number of combinations of cars they'd be assembling is overwhelming. If they offer standard packages that bundle features together, people will wish for some of the features from bundle A combined with some of the features from bundle B, but not all of the features in either bundle. I'm in complete sympathy with that feeling. I, too, wish that exactly the combination of features I prefer was available as a standard bundle. But, alas, it isn't to be.

We can take the combination that gets us closest to our wishes and just suck it up. Or, we can go to the aftermarket suppliers and get some of the goodies that don't come standard (easier for wheels than something like a HUD). Or we can look elsewhere entirely to see if some other company offers a better match to our wish list. I suspect all three of these possibilities will play out as we find out exactly what version of the G70 will be available in the US. I don't think we'll have much luck persuading Genesis, at this stage, to change direction and come up with different combinations of options. That may well happen in later model years if they perceive high enough -- and consistent enough -- demand for some alternative combinations. But I don't think we'll see anything like that in the short term.

 

[Stephen5242]

We don't expect genesis to react over night, but giving our feedback maybe helpful or not That's for genesis to decide. Changing wheels and tires may be easy for the buyer, but is much easier for genesis if it means more sales. I personally would not buy anything I don't like and just suck it up. I am still ok with the car I own until I find what I want.