G70 US Availability?

[larrymg1]

@devellis, If you don't mind where are you at in NC? Which dealership?

 

[Tonester]

Appears we have conflicting information?

Just to clarify, my guess would be that there may be 2 different hurdles here:
1) Authorization for a given car (G70) to be sold in a given state. This could be DMV registration or some other state regulation issue.
2) Agreement between Genesis and dealers.

If this is true, it could still be that CA is the last state (DMV) waiting to authorize sales of the G70. Dealer agreements may be an entirely different thing, but all it takes is one or the other to muck up the process.

That said, I wouldn't put a lot of weight behind what my local dealer told me. There is so much speculation and mis-information flying around that it tends to drive people to draw their own conclusions of what's going on. At this point, the most interesting info for me besides pricing is whether the launch will be nationwide or nationwide minus CA. If the latter, it'll be a mad rush for Californians to shop dealers in adjacent states; assuming the G70 is a 50-state car. Just guessing, CA could be 20-40% of the market for G70's in the US.

 

[larrymg1]

Just to clarify, my guess would be that there may be 2 different hurdles here:
1) Authorization for a given car (G70) to be sold in a given state. This could be DMV registration or some other state regulation issue.
2) Agreement between Genesis and dealers.

If this is true, it could still be that CA is the last state (DMV) waiting to authorize sales of the G70. Dealer agreements may be an entirely different thing, but all it takes is one or the other to muck up the process.

That said, I wouldn't put a lot of weight behind what my local dealer told me. There is so much speculation and mis-information flying around that it tends to drive people to draw their own conclusions of what's going on. At this point, the most interesting info for me besides pricing is whether the launch will be nationwide or nationwide minus CA. If the latter, it'll be a mad rush for Californians to shop dealers in adjacent states; assuming the G70 is a 50-state car. Just guessing, CA could be 20-40% of the market for G70's in the US.

Maybe you haven't read my most recent post. G70 US Availability?)
According to my dealership's GM (not a salesperson or sales manager), I understand your reluctance about local information, the issue is SC state approval to sell any designated G series 2019 models under the Genesis stand-alone brand. Genesis had indicated previously that they will not sell 2019 G series vehicles at Hyundai dealers.
As of today, the dealerships in SC have not been granted state approval to sell under the Genesis brand. CA apparently is not the last state. The launch would then not be nationwide and appears to be minus at least two or more states. This forum still has only a handful of confirmations that a given state and/or dealership has been approved.
It appears to me that we still have a lot of issues to be resolved.

 

[BlancaGenny]

You really think BMW, Audi, and Mercedes are going to decrease their prices because the G70 price gets released? I doubt it. My guess is that Genesis' is trying to be a value play at the beginning but the goal is to eventually raise prices. No one is trying to lower their prices. And we don't have to wait. That's my point. If they continue to just stay quiet, they're probably going to start losing customers for the G70. I guess we just have differing opinions about that. Don't worry, I'm not having digestion trouble.... Not yet lol.

No, they won't lower their price but it still gives them as well as others to work on competitive strategy. It is not just the higher priced but the equal and lower priced competitors..Maybe you were thinking Avalon but could be tempted to a G70?

They have to keep hundreds of dealers happy too, not a dozen people from this forum.

Remember, the US is not their main market. If it was, they would have started selling them here instead of South Korea. Their sales over there may or may dictate how they market the vehicle else where.

 

[JayceM]

Remember, the US is not their main market. If it was, they would have started selling them here instead of South Korea. Their sales over there may or may dictate how they market the vehicle else where.

Their sales there are slow as well which is leading to them doing a refresh of the G70 already.

 

[AnyVare]

August 31st and no news and nothing but disappointing rumors about US dealer/network issues. I hope they figure things out, but I'm getting tired of waiting and other cars are on the lots...

 

[Tonester]

Maybe you haven't read my most recent post. G70 US Availability?).

Sorry, I missed that detail in your post. Misery loves company, so welcome to the "I live in a state that may not be able to sell the G70 at launch" club!
Seems unlikely to me they'd launch the car with multiple states not participating. We shall see how it goes!

Their sales there are slow as well which is leading to them doing a refresh of the G70 already.

Doubtful they'd call it a refresh after just one year, but it'll be interesting to see what gets improved and when. An updated infotainment system "GUI instrument panel - ala Audi" would be helpful for sure!

 

[BlancaGenny]

Their sales there are slow as well which is leading to them doing a refresh of the G70 already.

I haven't seen or driven one in the real world so I wouldn't know what needs to be refreshed. The timing of it is a bit off because of the Stinger. If the G70 (top model) comes in less than the Stinger GT2, that might be the most confusing and puzzling price inconsistency in that class.

 

[JayceM]

Doubtful they'd call it a refresh after just one year, but it'll be interesting to see what gets improved and when. An updated infotainment system "GUI instrument panel - ala Audi" would be helpful for sure!

Yeah, you're right. Probably not a full on refresh. It does kinda make me think I should wait for the next model year. The article says partial changes for the G90 and changes for the G70 and G80 so it may be something somewhat substantial since they note differences between changes and partial changes and we already know the G80 is getting a refresh. However, at this rate, it could be 2022 before we get a second model lol.

I haven't seen or driven one in the real world so I wouldn't know what needs to be refreshed. The timing of it is a bit off because of the Stinger. If the G70 (top model) comes in less than the Stinger GT2, that might be the most confusing and puzzling price inconsistency in that class.

I think in most minds it would be confusing, but if you think about it, it's really not. They're not really the same class. The Stinger just doesn't have many cars you can directly compare it to. The Stinger is just much bigger than the G70.

 

[BlancaGenny]

Yeah, you're right. Probably not a full on refresh. It does kinda make me think I should wait for the next model year. The article says partial changes for the G90 and changes for the G70 and G80 so it may be something somewhat substantial since they note differences between changes and partial changes and we already know the G80 is getting a refresh. However, at this rate, it could be 2022 before we get a second model lol.


I think in most minds it would be confusing, but if you think about it, it's really not. They're not really the same class. The Stinger just doesn't have many cars you can directly compare it to. The Stinger is just much bigger than the G70.

My point exactly. The G70 is more of an entry-level luxury sports sedan. The Stinger is borderline a sports sedan/luxury sport sedan. Overall, the Stinger is 6 inches longer and the wheel base is 3 inches. I wouldn’t classify that as being much larger. Those numbers give the G70 an advantage when it comes to overall handling.

I just don’t see how or why the Stinger would be more expensive than the G70.

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[ctrcbob]

My concern about Genesis being its own high end brand, is the eventual cost for dealer service and maintenance.

Although I did not like my former (new) 2009 Genesis V8, it did not cost me a ton of money for service. No more than servicing my two Sonatas.

My Mercedes E350 as well as friends BMW's, Jaguars and Audi's ( plus run of the mill VW's) cost a lot for oil changes and other services.

Once (stand alone) Genesis' become available, I'll decide if I want to trade either of my perfectly good, trouble free Sonata 2.0T's. I'm in no hurry, unlike many of you.

 

[Steve Nor Cal]

I owned a Sonata and now a Genesis Couple and appreciate the Hyundai tax vs. the Corvette tax I had on my other car. The Corvette tax = an additional $40 per hour service rates compared to the Hyundai tax which is actually a 0 tax or even a negative number compare to some others. When I go to purchase parts it is very evident. I am hopeful we do not see a Genesis tax to pay for the fancy waiting rooms etc but it is probably inevitable. These taxes are what keep me from going into an Audi or BMW to your point.

 

[Mike_TX]

What do I know, but it looks like it is an unforeseen bunch of issues with state regulatory people and probably also some dealer problems that are holding up release. Automobile franchise laws are a strange bunch of red tape, and it's also not outside the realm of possibility that some dealers (and potential dealers) are being greedy and demanding too much. Who knows how much trouble the parent companies had when setting up the Lexus, Infiniti and Acura networks.

 

[YEH]

His estimate is that we won't see the G70 on lots in CA until Q1 next year due to the fact that CA doesn't yet recognize Genesis as a separate brand to Hyundai for 2019; details are "being worked out". He said they had 35 cars allocated and stored locally, but they all were recently sent to the 38 states that are ready to sell Genesis in preparation for the launch soon. He says that CA is the only state not ready at this point; the other 11 states are not even registered for Genesis sales (hard to believe).

Not difficult to believe as under the original 100 or so Genesis dealership plan, numerous states would have been left out.

Genesis won't roll out the '19MY if the largest markets for lux vehicles (NY, TX, FL, CA, etc.) haven't cleared the regulatory issues, but they may just have to bite the bullet if the last hold-out among them is CA.

Talk about timing. Just received a call from my dealership's GM in Columbia SC and he updated me with the following:

1. Two of four Hyundai dealerships in their automotive group in SC have reached tentative agreement to become stand-alone Genesis dealers.
2. The state of SC and the SC automotive dealership association have still not resolved the various regulatory and legal issues allowing the dealers who have indicated that they will be Genesis dealer to move forward.

4. The Genesis Motor regional rep continues to be very vague about providing any details or timelines. My GM is still forecasting 1Q to receive any, G70/80/90, 2019 models. One of their automotive group's Hyundai dealers in Brunswick GA which has not qualified for a Genesis dealership has confirmed that there are multiple units at the Brunswick port.

SC was one of the states originally not going to get a Genesis dealership, so not surprising that the regulatory/legal issues haven't been worked out.

If the 2019MY do launch before the end of the year (which is more likely than not), SC probably is not going to be included.

I have zero knowledge about these issues, but here’s a question: does anyone know of a brand that has launched in less than 50 (or lower 48) states with a new car? I bought a first generation Saturn back in 1994, but I don’t have any idea about how it was launched at the time.

I’m ready for a Nevada or Arizona road trip; in a way it’s kind of like taking delivery of a BMW in Germany, except I would have a great 5 or 6 hour drive back...in a G70, it may only take 3-4 hours!

Doubt that Alfa has a dealership in every state.

And believe the plan for PSA's to return to the states would involve 3 stages - the first 2 involving ride sharing before rolling out dealerships (which don't think would include every state); the plan seems to be on hold now due to all brouhaha over tariffs.

But the reviews were based on the G80 and G90, since there aren't any US owners of G70s yet, and certainly not at the time of the CU report. And both the G80 and G90 sales are down. In Korea, all Genesis sales are falling short of projections, including the G70.

As noted in the other thread, that article was poorly written and researched.

Slowly climbing. We have only 22 retailers nationwide (versus ~220 Hyundai stores) and only 5 currently have a physical presence, with the rest virtual selling at-home/online. Sales will soon exceed 150 per month. Supply is far from an issue because the factory is scaled to supply the U.S. market - with them idle these past 5 months we've been selling, it hasn't been hard to secure additional stock. The next little while as they ramp up may be a challenge for us, though. If all goes to plan we'll have 31 fully operational distributors, each with a stand-alone Genesis showroom/service facility, by 2021.

PD705 -

By physical presence - do you mean the Genesis boutiques located at malls?

And what would the stand-alone Genesis showroom/service facility entail?

Those boutiques w/ a separate service facility (would each distributor have its own service facility and where would they be located)?

 

[JayceM]

My point exactly. The G70 is more of an entry-level luxury sports sedan. The Stinger is borderline a sports sedan/luxury sport sedan. Overall, the Stinger is 6 inches longer and the wheel base is 3 inches. I wouldn’t classify that as being much larger. Those numbers give the G70 an advantage when it comes to overall handling.

I just don’t see how or why the Stinger would be more expensive than the G70.

Ok, not MUCH larger. You're right. I was thinking more in terms of the leg room. If you're going to end up having passengers a lot it would seem the G80 or Stinger would make more sense because of rear legroom which are fairly comparable between the two. The G80 Sport costs a good bit more than the Stinger, which I feel is the comparison to make. I don't look at the G70 the same as the Stinger so I have no problem reconciling it costing less, if that makes sense. If they feel obligated to price more than the Stinger, then they've got a very narrow window due to the G80. I think this is why they don't want people comparing it to the Stinger, because it's not the right comparison to make in their minds. I just happen to agree.

 

[larrymg1]

SC was one of the states originally not going to get a Genesis dealership, so not surprising that the regulatory/legal issues haven't been worked out.

If the 2019MY do launch before the end of the year (which is more likely than not), SC probably is not going to be included.

To clarify. There will be at least two dealerships in SC. My automotive group has already come to an agreement. The issue lies solely with the SC state regulators which don't have any singular hold on delaying the process as are other states are also involved. I hope you are correct on a launch date. IMO, it is still marginal at best.

 

[BlancaGenny]

Ok, not MUCH larger. You're right. I was thinking more in terms of the leg room. If you're going to end up having passengers a lot it would seem the G80 or Stinger would make more sense because of rear legroom which are fairly comparable between the two. The G80 Sport costs a good bit more than the Stinger, which I feel is the comparison to make. I don't look at the G70 the same as the Stinger so I have no problem reconciling it costing less, if that makes sense. If they feel obligated to price more than the Stinger, then they've got a very narrow window due to the G80. I think this is why they don't want people comparing it to the Stinger, because it's not the right comparison to make in their minds. I just happen to agree.

I'm not trying to prove you wrong or say I am right. When I sat in the Stinger, I was scrunched. I'm 5'11. Doing a comparison, the Stinger has 1.57 more inches of legroom in the back. That's a decent amount but not something that separates the class.

Interesting though, I did the conversion for the G80, the advertised rear legroom is 35 inches equating to 889 mm. The advertised legroom for the G70 is 884 mm and the Stinger is 924.5 mm. Somebody explain that. The Genesis and G80 have a huge difference in legroom and I've sat in both...

 

[JayceM]

I'm not trying to prove you wrong or say I am right. When I sat in the Stinger, I was scrunched. I'm 5'11. Doing a comparison, the Stinger has 1.57 more inches of legroom in the back. That's a decent amount but not something that separates the class.

Interesting though, I did the conversion for the G80, the advertised rear legroom is 35 inches equating to 889 mm. The advertised legroom for the G70 is 884 mm and the Stinger is 924.5 mm. Somebody explain that. The Genesis and G80 have a huge difference in legroom and I've sat in both...

I'm 6' even and did not feel scrunched in the Stinger. I wouldn't want to be back there for a long trip, but for just short drives around the city I would be fine. I can't imagine sitting in the back in the G70 for any length of time. Just looking at it in photos and reviews makes me cringe. The numbers do seem a little off like you mentioned but I still think the Stinger is more comparable to the G80 than the G70. I guess we'll see when they price it.

 

[BrainDoc]

Just spoke to someone locally and his records indicate 45 to 60 days before the dealerships have them on their lots and are ready to sell them. This is in North Carolina. He confirmed that the issue has been legal red tape and getting all states squared away. I didn't ask whether "all states" was nationally or regionally. So, late October to some time in November looks like the timeline. Kiss "summer" goodbye. If they get into November, people may be pretty reluctant to cough up the dough for a new car just as the holidays are approaching. This has not gone smoothly, to put it mildly.

Ouch, October/November. I'll likely give this fiasco until the end of this month, then I have to get a car. I was holding out since Spring, but I'm really in need of a car, and have been but this fiasco is truly a fiasco. How unfortunate for Genesis.

 

[Electrode]

The delay will allow some time to compare the new '19 models from BMW (3 series) and Acura (TLX). Maybe Audi will include adaptive cruise in the A4 and S4 and push me up a notch.