US dealers who actually have the G70 available for sale.

[TurtleBoy]

i used to sell cars, giving someone an experience based on your belief that they are a serious buyer or not is 100% NOT the way to handle customers as a salesmen. you treat everyone as if they are spending top dollar because it doesn't matter the amount of the car, they are buying and thats all that matters. i wasn't buying the day i went to go see the vehicle, but if it was a good experience i would have went back when i was ready to buy, now that wont happen at all and he and that dealer can go kick rocks

Was not saying whether it was the right thing to do or not but many salespeople will do that. They, mistakenly or not, determine the level of interest and then spend their time accordingly.

 

[cars2see]

Was not saying whether it was the right thing to do or not but many salespeople will do that. They, mistakenly or not, determine the level of interest and then spend their time accordingly.

and this is why he sells 5 cars a month that goof ball. either way i saw the car in person and i was happy with it

 

[Beefer]

yeah im for sure not going back there ever again

Perhaps you shouldn’t judge the entire establishment by one person. Call the sales manager.

 

[cars2see]

Perhaps you shouldn’t judge the entire establishment by one person. Call the sales manager.

im not judging by just the salesmen, im judging by the experience as a whole. the appearance of the inside of the dealership , how messy the lot was, unorganized, no kind of distinction between the difference dealer areas, sales, service, parts. it all was kind of blended together in a big flat open area. just didnt like it. i also have high exceptions from my own experience so i could be harsh but i expect what i expect. and when your buying a $50k+ car you want to feel that way in all aspects of the sale.

 

[canucklehead604]

^ part of me wonders if the whole "we come to you" valet service approach Genesis is taking is a way to keep buyers out of dealer showrooms. they know the Hyundai dealership experience is not adequate for the premium buyer so they are buying time while that gets resolved...and also creating a marketing niche as a value added service.

i had to go to the dealer for my test drive, which strayed from the 'we come to you' model because there were no demo vehicles of my trim. my car was the demo, but nobody else got to drive it unless i turned down my first right of refusal. while at the Hyundai dealer, i was very underwhelmed...especially when i looked across the street at the Infiniti dealer i used to work with. i had expected a reasonable level of demarcation between the brands with separate real estate divided between the two. not the case. and the GXM was shoehorned into a low-rent spot, i felt bad for them.

until Genesis either strikes out with stand alone stores across the country (only a couple 'Boutiques' so far), or the current Hyundai dealers properly differentiate the two, i suspect most Genesis buyers will not be impressed with the experience and they will take Genesis up on their valet service.

 

[g60_corrado_91]

I’ll add onto my statement.

The Audi S4/S5 has a single turbo. The biturbo in the G70 is so different.

I think the G70 scrolls until the 2nd turbo kicks in.

The Audi has minimal lag...great mechanics. The G70 has none. Single off the start allowing the 2nd to spool in. Strong as f$%k.

As a result...the G70 is more tunable than the Audi.

AFAIK, the twin turbos are exactly that, not a sequential turbo setup like you're speaking of i.e. where you have a smaller turbo for the low rpms and then it passes the duty onto the larger turbo. FD RX7's were like that as was the RB26 in the Nissan Skyline R34. A twin turbo setup like the 3.3T has is one turbo per 3 cylinders on each side of the engine.

And your last statement, bear in mind that the "3.0T" in the Audi is very new. There will be tuning for it and a lot of support. The VW/Audi world is big with that. The old supercharged 3.0T had a ton of support so I'm betting it will be no different for the turbocharged 3.0T.

 

[TurtleBoy]

AFAIK, the twin turbos are exactly that, not a sequential turbo setup.

Interesting, I have been under the impression (maybe from here) that they were sequential and not parallel. The term twin means nothing in regards to that, all it means is two as far as I know. If you are correct and they are parallel, then that would explain why some folks here as well as some reviews have mentioned some turbo lag.

 

[g60_corrado_91]

6-speed manual transmission.

Exactly! That and I don't want to spend more than $45k on a car.

 

[g60_corrado_91]

Interesting, I have been under the impression (maybe from here) that they were sequential and not parallel. The term twin means nothing in regards to that, all it means is two as far as I know. If you are correct and they are parallel, then that would explain why some folks here as well as some reviews have mentioned some turbo lag.

Here's more details. Unless I'm mistaken, with each turbo having their own dedicated exhaust manifold, that's definitely each turbo running on its own bank, tied to 3 cylinders.

Hyundai’s First Twin-Turbo V-6 Arrives in G80, Stinger

 

[TurtleBoy]

Here's more details. Unless I'm mistaken, with each turbo having their own dedicated exhaust manifold, that's definitely each turbo running on its own bank, tied to 3 cylinders.

Hyundai’s First Twin-Turbo V-6 Arrives in G80, Stinger

I'm not real familiar with the details of how they work but that article does sound like they are parallel.

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[Beefer]

Here's more details. Unless I'm mistaken, with each turbo having their own dedicated exhaust manifold, that's definitely each turbo running on its own bank, tied to 3 cylinders.

Hyundai’s First Twin-Turbo V-6 Arrives in G80, Stinger

To be quite honest...I have never heard of that. A turbo for each cylinder. I always that that Twin Turbos were sequential.

So...what you are saying is not mentioned in this article. Shall we assume that they are missed this type of turbo/cylinder bank setup?

Types of turbochargers - Leisure Wheels

Update...this article seems to cover it...

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/6-diffrent-types-turbocharger-vijay-tharad

 

[TurtleBoy]

To be quite honest...I have never heard of that. A turbo for each cylinder. I always that that Twin Turbos were sequential.

Twin in and of itself means nothing except two, same for biturbo. From my reading though, most are parallel rather than sequential but could have a small/incorrect sample.

 

[TurtleBoy]

Just found this and it lays it out pretty good I think. Twin-Turbocharging: How Does It Work?

 

[Deleted Account]

They’re definitely separate parallel turbos, one for each 3 cylinder bank. It’s easier to configure twins on a V engine and, because each turbocharger is smaller with less mass in the rotor, there tends to be less turbo lag. I’ve noticed almost no lag on my 3.3 G70.

 

[larrymg1]

So, the 3.3ltt is two single-scroll turbos.
Quote from WardsAjto article:
"Boosting comes from two single-scroll turbochargers packaged outside the V rather than inside, giving them better access to fresh, cool air, Ickes says. An electronic wastegate actuator regulates maximum boost pressure, and the air-cooled intercooler helps moderate operating temperatures.
The turbochargers spool up quickly, achieving the 376 lb.-ft. (510 Nm) torque peak as early as 1,300 rpm, then holding steady until 4,500 rpm."
The result, based on Wards 10 Best Engines testing of the G80, is an engine with minimal turbo lag. The Stinger, which also will be tested, weighs about 700 lbs. (318 kg) less, so it’s bound to feel more responsive."
Hyundai’s First Twin-Turbo V-6 Arrives in G80, Stinger

 

[TurtleBoy]

They’re definitely separate parallel turbos, one for each 3 cylinder bank. It’s easier to configure twins on a V engine and, because each turbocharger is smaller with less mass in the rotor, there tends to be less turbo lag. I’ve noticed almost no lag on my 3.3 G70.

Thanks.

 

[TurtleBoy]

So, the 3.3ltt is two single-scroll turbos.

Yes but single scrolls could be parallel or sequential. In this case they are parallel.

 

[Beefer]

Yes but single scrolls could be parallel or sequential. In this case they are parallel.

So from what I learned...you have biturbo/twin turbo on a "V" layout. You cannot do that on inline engines...so they usually use a single scroll turbo (scrolls in different cylinders) or a sequential twin turbo (small and big) for eliminating turbo lag.

I guess you could have sequential on a "V" layout as well...who knows.

I want my G70.

 

[TurtleBoy]

So from what I learned...you have biturbo/twin turbo on a "V" layout. You cannot do that on inline engines...so they usually use a single scroll turbo (scrolls in different cylinders) or a sequential twin turbo (small and big) for eliminating turbo lag.

I guess you could have sequential on a "V" layout as well...who knows.

I want my G70.

I think you can have both. Toyota had a twin turbo charged inline 6 years ago. I know BMW inline 6's are twin turbo but those may actually be a twin scroll.

https://jalopnik.com/toyotas-first-twin-turbo-straight-six-is-stranger-than-1824260905

Edit: After reading your explanation again, I'm more confused then the first time I read it. lol. Lets just drop it and say a few things. 1. The 3.3t is a parallel twin turbo. 2. Neither of us know enough to discuss the intricacies of turbo charging.

 

[g60_corrado_91]

Hahaha. Good conversation though, while we wait patiently...