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[Suburbazine]

Speak for yourself buddy, my 2012 5.0 is fully modded out with bolt ons and performance enhancers. Full custom 3" exhaust straight pipe with x pipe, cat deletes, custom 4" intake tubing w heat wrap, sprint booster, ESC remote disabler, performance springs, BFGoodrich tires, 10.5" wheels and the BTR ecu/tcu tune. My genny is probably pushing about 500 motor and 400rwhp... it would be a fair race

Cool, you've added about 40hp to the engine (assuming you didn't lose any with the intake). And you're probably pushing 390 to the wheels.

Normally one would post a SAE corrected dyno graph when making bold claims about how much power they make. We can extrapolate drivetrain loss from that to estimate crank hp. You'd probably also have 1/4 time slips to back yourself up.

Regardless how much power you make, an m4 with a JB4 and downpipe will utterly destroy a Genesis. You're a whole 200whp too short to play.

PS: here's something 400whp

Nick Lombardo

 

[carguy75]

Cool, you've added about 40hp to the engine (assuming you didn't lose any with the intake). And you're probably pushing 390 to the wheels.

Normally one would post a SAE corrected dyno graph when making bold claims about how much power they make. We can extrapolate drivetrain loss from that to estimate crank hp. You'd probably also have 1/4 time slips to back yourself up.

Regardless how much power you make, an m4 with a JB4 and downpipe will utterly destroy a Genesis. You're a whole 200whp too short to play.

PS: here's something 400whp

Nick Lombardo

A tuned G70 3.3T AWD would be the better option for even considering going against a tuned late model M4 and that would still be an hard race for the lighter G70 let alone a Genesis sedan or G80. BMW turbo engines are bad ass when they actually work properly.

 

[Rspected]

A tuned G70 3.3T AWD would be the better option for even considering going against a tuned late model M4 and that would still be an hard race for the lighter G70 let alone a Genesis sedan or G80. BMW turbo engines are bad ass when they actually work properly.

Late model M4s make maybe 450 and the only advantage they have is FI and weight. It ain't always about horsepower either fellas.

Cool, you've added about 40hp to the engine (assuming you didn't lose any with the intake). And you're probably pushing 390 to the wheels.

Normally one would post a SAE corrected dyno graph when making bold claims about how much power they make. We can extrapolate drivetrain loss from that to estimate crank hp. You'd probably also have 1/4 time slips to back yourself up.

Regardless how much power you make, an m4 with a JB4 and downpipe will utterly destroy a Genesis. You're a whole 200whp too short to play.

PS: here's something 400whp

Nick Lombardo

You're seriously overrating the M4

 

[Suburbazine]

Late model M4s make maybe 450 and the only advantage they have is FI and weight. It ain't always about horsepower either fellas.

You're seriously overrating the M4

You gotta compare apples to apples here. You can't have all the mods and compare to a stock m4. Even with 2 cheap mods the M4 gets way more HP. The BTR tune for the Genesis costs $950...for how many HP? 6-15? You can't even measure that number on a dyno.

You're seriously underrating the M4:

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[carguy75]

"Late model M4s make maybe 450 and the only advantage they have is FI and weight. It ain't always about horsepower either fellas."

I am sure that your modded out 5.0 can stick with a stock BMW M4, because I own a sprint Booster and it most definitely evens out the playing field against a stock M4. However, many BMW M4 owners also use the Sprint Booster and have tunes that will just make the car too fast for the N/A V8 to keep up.

The 3.3T has launch control which helps the keep up with a BMW M4 with launch control as well having the ability to make the low end torque needed to move off the line quicker like most FI engines.

I love my 5.0 engine, however I also know that some cars are just out of my league in terms of performance. The M series BMW turbo engines can be upgraded to super-car levels of power. My only advantage is that many of the BMW engine may not be running at their best due to BMW reliability issues so I may still win a few races due to some BMW not making the boost as needed or some VANOS failure.

 

[carguy75]

You gotta compare apples to apples here. You can't have all the mods and compare to a stock m4. Even with 2 cheap mods the M4 gets way more HP. The BTR tune for the Genesis costs $950...for how many HP? 6-15? You can't even measure that number on a dyno.

You're seriously underrating the M4:

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Hey, I looked up the BTR tune and the company claims about 20whp/30wtq peak with their tune for the 2012-2014 5.0 V8 Genesis engines. Not bad for a N/A engine. However, they do not make a tune for the current 5.0 models, but I may pick one up when they do. I may not have a M4 killer with the BTR tune, but my Genesis would still beat most other cars of the roads that are not super cars or pure pocket-rockets.
https://www.shopbtr.com/BTR-2012-14-ECU-TCU-Tune-for-Genesis-Sedan-BH-50-GDi-8spd-_p_4419.html

 

[Velvetsmack]

Everywhere I go in my 15 5.0, Everybody Wants Some!

So I haven't clicked the link yet - I'm hoping it's going to take me to Van Halen..........

 

[Velvetsmack]

So I haven't clicked the link yet - I'm hoping it's going to take me to Van Halen..........

Ohhh...I love when great minds think alike....

 

[Nikhil Malhotra]

When you increase the bhp of the car via BTR tune , the OEM Stock brakes would be highly inadequate .
Unless you are changing those to brembo . Anyone change the brakes on sadan from the coupe ?

 

[carguy75]

When you increase the bhp of the car via BTR tune , the OEM Stock brakes would be highly inadequate .
Unless you are changing those to brembo . Anyone change the brakes on sadan from the coupe ?

Good point if the car is being used on track. As an daily driver the extra power will not be an issue for the stock pads. The Genesis sedan brakes are pretty good in stock form, but the stock ceramic pads are not the best for track duty due to fading. Aftermarket performance pads/rotors will help solve the fading problem when used on a track.

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[Rspected]

You gotta compare apples to apples here. You can't have all the mods and compare to a stock m4. Even with 2 cheap mods the M4 gets way more HP. The BTR tune for the Genesis costs $950...for how many HP? 6-15? You can't even measure that number on a dyno.

You're seriously underrating the M4:

S55 JB4 Tuner for 2015-2020 BMW M3/M4/M2C

Take your turbo BMW M3/M4 and M2 Competition to the next level with JB4 The ultimate tune for your S55 powered vehicle, the JB4 allows you to go from factory stock to full race, and everywhere in between. Made in USA. 5 Year Warranty. Fast Free Shipping on JB4 tuners.

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I agree that the M4 would probably still win, especially with mods. But it wouldnt be by a landslide. I have beaten a 2016 911 Carrera with mods at the drag strip before. Mind you it was literally a win by like .1 seconds but a wins a win boys. Sometimes the driver mod is the most effective mod you can have

When you increase the bhp of the car via BTR tune , the OEM Stock brakes would be highly inadequate .
Unless you are changing those to brembo . Anyone change the brakes on sadan from the coupe ?

Idk about others but I've upgraded to full ceramic brake pads and drilled/slotted rotors. My stopping power is excellent

 

[Suburbazine]

Idk about others but I've upgraded to full ceramic brake pads and drilled/slotted rotors. My stopping power is excellent

I don't know why he's even suggesting the stock brakes can't stop the car. It's not like we're circuit racing where we need 6 and 4 piston Brembos to keep the heat managed. Horsepower hasn't got anything to do with how much brake power you need unless you're thinking brakes need to fully overcome the engine. I can lock up all 4 wheels just fine.

But FYI- ceramic pads have less stopping power than the stock semimetallic formulations. While ceramic is significantly more resistant to heat buildup and fade, they have inherently lower grip and much less friendly wear rates on rotors due to higher surface temperatures during braking. But if you're not taking the car on a track, you're still perfectly fine with ceramic pads.

 

[Rspected]

I don't know why he's even suggesting the stock brakes can't stop the car. It's not like we're circuit racing where we need 6 and 4 piston Brembos to keep the heat managed. Horsepower hasn't got anything to do with how much brake power you need unless you're thinking brakes need to fully overcome the engine. I can lock up all 4 wheels just fine.

But FYI- ceramic pads have less stopping power than the stock semimetallic formulations. While ceramic is significantly more resistant to heat buildup and fade, they have inherently lower grip and much less friendly wear rates on rotors due to higher surface temperatures during braking. But if you're not taking the car on a track, you're still perfectly fine with ceramic pads.

I use the ceramics to keep the brake dust down. The stock ones are ceramic anyways, if I'm not mistaken. When I go to the drag strip (1/8th mile where I am) I can run it to about 85 crossing the finish and I can stop it within a few seconds with the brake setup I have now. Braking power was never even a concern to me so I agree idk what hes suggesting that for lol. It also stopped fine before I upgraded the brakes.

My main point here isn't to start an argument, but to glorify the Genesis for what it is. It's a really powerful car that can keep up with the big dogs, but not necessarily win races against them. I was doing a fun run in traffic the other day with a Viper ACR and a Shelby GT500 that happened to be driving near me... they were trying to pull on me but I was staying right behind em the whole time. Viper kicked some small rocks up on my front bumper that's how close I stayed lol. This car is powerful. Horsepower isn't everything.

 

[carguy75]

I will upgrade to PowerStop carbon/ceramic extreme performance brake pads when it is time to change my brake pads. They are carbon-fiber/ceramic pads which are good stopping pads for a street performance car and light track-duty. Better than stock ceramic pads, but not as aggressive as race-pads. I used similar carbon/ceramic Hawk HPS 5.0 pads on my 2014 Hyundai Optima SXL 2.0T and it was a major increase in stopping power over the stock pads. Unfortunately, Hawk do not make pads for the Genesis so I will try the PowerStop version.
https://www.powerstop.com/product/power-stop-z26-kit/#y=2015&mk=HYUNDAI&mo=GENESIS SEDAN&ss=V8&p=Front & Rear

 

[dareckibmw]

Iirc, it goes up to 2500 RPM that is it. Same with the G70 launch control.

Ok, I was wrong.

I had some spare time yesterday, after changing wheels/tires to a summer set, so I went on to have some fun, lol

In G80 Sport, it goes up to ~2900 RPM! left foot on brake....right on gas, there is a "bump" in half way (~2500 RPM) so press harder and it goes to 2900 RPM, then release immediately! If you do that, the car will takes off like crazy, lol Don't miss that point or you'll have massive lag and you won't launch correctly.

Here in my best run 0-60 in 4.42 sec. log from Dragy. I converted to image, you can see the numbers.

 

[carguy75]

Ok, I was wrong.

I had some spare time yesterday, after changing wheels/tires to a summer set, so I went on to have some fun, lol

In G80 Sport, it goes up to ~2900 RPM! left foot on brake....right on gas, there is a "bump" in half way (~2500 RPM) so press harder and it goes to 2900 RPM, then release immediately! If you do that, the car will takes off like crazy, lol Don't miss that point or you'll have massive lag and you won't launch correctly.

Here in my best run 0-60 in 4.42 sec. log from Dragy. I converted to image, you can see the numbers.

Now that's what I am talking about!!! 0-60mph in 4.42 seconds is what a 420hp/517tq engine supposed to do in our Genesis. The 5.0 V8 should be about 4.6 second when torque braked in stock form with tires with strong traction that resist wheel spin. I will try using Dragy to do a run in my Genesis to see how it compares to yours.

 

[dareckibmw]

Well....since I have the fuel wires hooped up, mixing E85+92 octane and run more aggressive Map 5 (Map 5 instead of Map 2) according to Burger's dyno tests/charts... I suppose to be at ~440hp/550tq now. I'll put the car on dyno again in a few weeks and let the numbers speak for themself

Scroll down to a 2nd picture that says "Stock vs. map5" 394whp/495wtq WHP not HP

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[Lead Head]

Well....since I have the fuel wires hooped up, mixing E85+92 octane and run more aggressive Map 5 (Map 5 instead of Map 2) according to Burger's dyno tests/charts... I suppose to be at ~440hp/550tq now. I'll put the car on dyno again in a few weeks and let the numbers speak for themself

Scroll down to a 2nd picture that says "Stock vs. map5" 394whp/495wtq WHP not HP

http://[URL]https://www.burgermotorsports.com/collections/jb4-1/products/kia-stinger-jb4-beta

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Great times dareck and thanks for sharing with us. With brake torque launching at 2900RPM, are you just letting off the brake and rolling on throttle or are you burying it? And do you think your 0-60 times would be a little better on your previous map2 results launching at 2900rpm? What was it, 4.7seconds before right?

 

[dareckibmw]

Great times dareck and thanks for sharing with us. With brake torque launching at 2900RPM, are you just letting off the brake and rolling on throttle or are you burying it? And do you think your 0-60 times would be a little better on your previous map2 results launching at 2900rpm? What was it, 4.7seconds before right?

I don't know which is the proper term to say, but I think "letting off the brake and rolling on throttle" is the right one, lol
Yeah, 4.7sec was on Map 2 and most likely launched at ~2200 RPM because I didn't realize I could have press it harder, all the way down. I don't know how much I could shave it down with 2900 rpm/Map2? .2 of a sec. maybe? I would have to try it to see it on my next tank of 93 octane alone. But the thing is, I like it now, when the car pulls even harder on E85

 

[Lead Head]

I don't know which is the proper term to say, but I think "letting off the brake and rolling on throttle" is the right one, lol
Yeah, 4.7sec was on Map 2 and most likely launched at ~2200 RPM because I didn't realize I could have press it harder, all the way down. I don't know how much I could shave it down with 2900 rpm/Map2? .2 of a sec. maybe? I would have to try it to see it on my next tank of 93 octane alone. But the thing is, I like it now, when the car pulls even harder on E85

Ah-ha I see, thanks for replying to that. I've been rolling the throttle on vs just mashing the pedal from brake torquing too, so it's nice to know you're getting good times from the above method. The E85/92 mix along with those 0-60 times are very impressive, considering how heavy the car is.