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Genesis G70 Reviews

canucklehead604 said:
^ that 0-100kmh time of 5.9s is logical, seams reasonable, and can be explained given documented specifications (i.e. hp/tq, weight, gearing, etc). note that this would equate to 0-60mph in the ~5.7-5.8s range.

the crazy data we are seeing that range up to 7.4s are what have me scratching my head. i understand conditions change, blah blah blah, but a reasonable spread should be a few tenths at most - not 1.5s - just like we are seeing with the 3.3T. i have yet to hear a reliable explanation - probably because on car forums most things are speculation.

also, the 240hp rating in Aussieland is curious. why would Genesis detune AU market cars? is this common? i thought those Mad-Max-loving fiends were power hungry. the AU Stinger 2.0 is rated at 244, which is also down from the NA market of 255. what gives?

one conspiracy could be that NA cars are over-rated and actually dyno at 240hp just like the AU cars, so that in fact the AU cars are not detuned rather they spec the accurate rating (i hope for Genesis' sake this is not the case). however, the impossibility of this idea is that the AU cars are rated at 240hp and still show 0-100 in 5.9s - whereas NA cars are rated at 252/255hp and have slower-to-much-slower test data than do the AU cars. I don't believe Genesis NA lists acceleration data like AU does, but we've seen enough reports by now that show slower times than 5.9s (for 0-100 kmh).

so, NA cars are more powerful and slower. i hope someone can explain that to me...
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Sure, 5.9s makes sense for the specs and in comparison to other cars with similar specs, but media outlet testing tells a different and consistent story of 6.5-7.4s 0-60mph. I don't think I've seen a media outlet test below 6.5s. Regardless of the specs, that seems to be the reality.

So then from there on a new note, Genesis claims 5.9s for 0-100kmph, and Genesis was pretty close in their estimate before with the 3.3T. Assuming Genesis is just as accurate and the old times are accurate, then the inferred conclusion is that Genesis tuned the engine better. Otherwise, maybe the assumption that Genesis is just as accurate with their estimate is untrue because the engines have different levels of consistency.
 
KusaKusa said:
Sure, 5.9s makes sense for the specs and in comparison to other cars with similar specs, but media outlet testing tells a different and consistent story of 6.5-7.4s 0-60mph. I don't think I've seen a media outlet test below 6.5s. Regardless of the specs, that seems to be the reality.

So then from there on a new note, Genesis claims 5.9s for 0-100kmph, and Genesis was pretty close in their estimate before with the 3.3T. Assuming Genesis is just as accurate and the old times are accurate, then the inferred conclusion is that Genesis tuned the engine better. Otherwise, maybe the assumption that Genesis is just as accurate with their estimate is untrue because the engines have different levels of consistency.
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Where does Genesis claim this?
They don't give a number in NA for the 2.0T. Only for the 3.3T.
 
I've got a simple enough theory about the slow-ish times: many of these outlets are based in the south. Almost all G70s, but especially those with the 2.0T and/or AWD, have more grip than they need off the line. For 19MY the PS4 was on everything with 19" wheels, to boot. In warmer weather this is an issue.

To get a proper launch, turbo cars need a bit of wheel spin. If it's over ~25C (77F) outside, the G70 is often prone to bogging down off the line because it simply can't break the rear loose. This is especially prevalent in the 2.0T model (RWD and AWD) or the AWD 3.3T models. Contrary to conventional thinking, I've found my G70 launched hardest on the Pilot Sport 4 when temperatures dipped below 10C, because the car was easily able to overpower the rear axle.

Controlled wheel spin off the line = higher engine speed = faster boost build = faster out of the hole. At least using a LC or brake-boost start, the car simply can't do this unless it's cooler out. A higher stall speed would help, but then it's more abuse on the driveline. This is why I tell people not to get hung up on 0-60 times. The car is quick in 2.0T form and downright fast with the 3.3T. Enjoy your cars and stop racing on spreadsheets!
 
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I agree with Patrick. My best launches were in the rain or letting it spin first.
Even the MT review where they tested the 2.0t against the BMW 330i and Model 3 mention how it bogged down when trying to launch.
The Australian review mentions 18" wheels which means it's not the PS4.
 
Another example: if anyone remembers the original Canadian media event, Jakub of the Straight Pipes made a big deal about how he went fastest on the autocross of all the media in the 6MT car. Which is true - he did. I wanted to take a run at his time but didn't get the chance with how busy the day was.

The next two days we were still there with dealers. Same autocross course, but this time we put a 2.0T AWD car out to prevent clutch abuse (should be slower). It was also dumping rain. I figured that was it for my hopes of putting up a faster time... Nope! After some practice I ended up pulling 1.5 seconds out of Jakub's time on a 32-second lap, which is a staggering improvement considering the monsoon-like conditions. In my view the entirety of the gain came from the car's ability to more quickly exit a slow hairpin at the back of the course. Why? Just as noted above - wheelspin = boost = power.
 
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PD705 said:
Another example: if anyone remembers the original Canadian media event, Jakub of the Straight Pipes made a big deal about how he went fastest on the autocross of all the media in the 6MT car. Which is true - he did. I wanted to take a run at his time but didn't get the chance with how busy the day was.

The next two days we were still there with dealers. Same autocross course, but this time we put a 2.0T AWD car out to prevent clutch abuse (should be slower). It was also dumping rain. I figured that was it for my hopes of putting up a faster time... Nope! After some practice I ended up pulling 1.5 seconds out of Jakub's time on a 32-second lap, which is a staggering improvement considering the monsoon-like conditions. In my view the entirety of the gain came from the car's ability to more quickly exit a slow hairpin at the back of the course. Why? Just as noted above - wheelspin = boost = power.
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And that was a Prestige wasn't it? Which is 200lbs or so heavier than the 6MT.
 
PD705 said:
I've got a simple enough theory about the slow-ish times: many of these outlets are based in the south. Almost all G70s, but especially those with the 2.0T and/or AWD, have more grip than they need off the line. For 19MY the PS4 was on everything with 19" wheels, to boot. In warmer weather this is an issue.

To get a proper launch, turbo cars need a bit of wheel spin. If it's over ~25C (77F) outside, the G70 is often prone to bogging down off the line because it simply can't break the rear loose. This is especially prevalent in the 2.0T model (RWD and AWD) or the AWD 3.3T models. Contrary to conventional thinking, I've found my G70 launched hardest on the Pilot Sport 4 when temperatures dipped below 10C, because the car was easily able to overpower the rear axle.

Controlled wheel spin off the line = higher engine speed = faster boost build = faster out of the hole. At least using a LC or brake-boost start, the car simply can't do this unless it's cooler out. A higher stall speed would help, but then it's more abuse on the driveline. This is why I tell people not to get hung up on 0-60 times. The car is quick in 2.0T form and downright fast with the 3.3T. Enjoy your cars and stop racing on spreadsheets!
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I was wondering why I would always get some wheel chirping when I floored it at lights. The temperature thing makes sense based on what I've heard about the car bogging down in higher temps (I've only really gone 100% in the early morning or evening).

It would be nice if these reviewers posted some more info about their testing methods. I know you can't control everything, but it would help make a bit more of an apples to apples comparison.
 

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Most outlets probably have a prepped drag strip like area for 0-60 tests, so it would make sense that they're getting lower scores from grip. It also explains why journalists don't feel like it's as slow as the numbers suggest. Would 5-60 times still be affected in the same way by this issue?

I'm more of the type to gradually accelerate from a stop than one to floor it hard right off the bat. So I don't think the issue should impact me too greatly.
 
In the case of the AU guys, it was probably easily achievable using non PS4 tires. Not sure what 18" tires they are using but most likely the same AS 18" 225 tires we use here.
I can break the tail much easier on my 225 X-Ice tires.
So now I have to see if I can break 5.9 secs.
 
KusaKusa said:
Most outlets probably have a prepped drag strip like area for 0-60 tests, so it would make sense that they're getting lower scores from grip. It also explains why journalists don't feel like it's as slow as the numbers suggest. Would 5-60 times still be affected in the same way by this issue?

I'm more of the type to gradually accelerate from a stop than one to floor it hard right off the bat. So I don't think the issue should impact me too greatly.
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The point is, it doesn't really impact anyone. Very few people are abusive enough to their cars to get the maximum out of them, i.e. what the magazines sometimes do. Especially true for high-power AWD manual cars - the real-world acceleration times will be a second or more slower. Listen to The Smoking Tire Podcast with Jason Cammisa from a few months back. He talks about the appalling abuse they'd put on cars at Motor Trend to get the "best" 0-60 out of them... we're talking repeated 6,000 rpm clutch dumps in AWD cars. Sure, it will do it a few times, then it's sitting on a flatbed with a grenaded driveline.

Peace comes when you ignore the spreadsheets and simply enjoy driving what you enjoy driving :)
 
PD705 said:
The point is, it doesn't really impact anyone. Very few people are abusive enough to their cars to get the maximum out of them, i.e. what the magazines sometimes do. Especially true for high-power AWD manual cars - the real-world acceleration times will be a second or more slower. Listen to The Smoking Tire Podcast with Jason Cammisa from a few months back. He talks about the appalling abuse they'd put on cars at Motor Trend to get the "best" 0-60 out of them... we're talking repeated 6,000 rpm clutch dumps in AWD cars. Sure, it will do it a few times, then it's sitting on a flatbed with a grenaded driveline.

Peace comes when you ignore the spreadsheets and simply enjoy driving what you enjoy driving :)
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But....I......must......have....more....POWER...!!!
 
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