Genesis G70 Reviews

[JeremyTD]

New 3 series vs G70 review from C&D! 2020 BMW 3-series vs. 2020 Genesis G70: Which is the Better Compact Luxury Sports Sedan?

I just read through the comments for that article. Damn it was fun!

 

[Toddasaurus]

^Haha, was looking at the comments as well.

I agree with what other's have said. BMW probably is underrating their engine, but maybe not by as much as the 0-60 would make you believe. I bet the launch mode is making the bigger difference. StraightPipes said that you're actually able to build a little bit of boost in the M340i's launch mode, unlike ours. Brake snip would make this a much more apples-to-apples comparison, but that's not a mod I'll ever dare to do.

 

[Husky]

Brake snip? I have an idea of what that might be, but school me.

 

[Beefer]

Brake snip? I have an idea of what that might be, but school me.

It’s actually called a burn out switch. You are cutting a wire by the ECU which removes the rev limiter during LC. Can be dangerous...but you get a 4.1-4.2 second car stock!!

Stinger Brake Boost Switch DIY - JB4tech.com - International Turbo Tuning Discussion

Stinger Brake Boost Switch DIY Kia & Hyundai Turbo

www.n54tech.com

 

[LandOfConfusion]

I just read through the comments for that article. Damn it was fun!

The comments make it worth the read. People are loyal to a fault! Here's the link with full comments: C&D - G70 vs M340i

Having just sold my BMW 3 series after many years of enjoyable (but sometimes frustrating) driving, I wholeheartedly agree with comments by "notaprius". In particular, this one: Notaprius

As a former E90 335i ZSP owner, I always loved that inline 6, smoothest engine on the planet. But it and its descendants use lots of valve overlap to get the minimal lag and efficiency by preventing the turbo from falling off boost. Audi VW and BMW al do this, but they are also the top 3 makes in carbon deposit issues on the back of intake valv es in direct injection applications. Do a little research and you'll find that BMW uses a pulling of the head bd blasting with walnut shells every 30-40k miles, and its expensive. IF you dont clean the head, 10% drop in power can occur eventually and the engine is not going to last with those heat insulating deposits. Interesting that ford,GM, and many other makers like subaru and lexus don't have these carbon deposit issues in their DI engines. the efficiency and extra power come at the cost of a $1200(?) walnut shell treatment every 30-40k miles and likely reduced longevity due to insulating carbon deposits. The sterile steering of modern day BMW's is a problem especially at near 70k. And lets face it gas mileage on a depreciating 70k car is of little consequence except the power/mpg statistic which has its cost as covered above. BMW, Audi, VW have always run lots of valve overlap that craps up the intake valves. I enjoy BMW's styling, but they not only dont have the whole package, it has its costly maintenance issues. The hyundai at 50k, developed by the former head of the BMW M division, is an amazing sedan. The M340 is also an amazing sedan, but its dear and it will cost you another 10k over the first 100k miles. the only thing ablout he G70 is(aside no manual) that is depreciates fast so its an expensive lease for its purchase price. BMW does much better there. This is why BMW drivers are mostly lesees, they dont wown their cars unless they can afford the huge depreciation in all 70k cars and the maintenance costs the come with german car ownership. lease the M340i, buy the G70.

 

[Cardinal Ximinez]

The last line sums it up quite well.

 

[canucklehead604]

another aspect of the discussion that isn't brought up in the comments has to do with the overabundance of 3-series out there. the G70 is a refreshing departure from the sea of 330's, 340's, etc. not to mention the A4's and C-classes of the world. that it happens to be a fantastic car is a bonus. hell, i even give a guy props for taking a chance on a Giulia for a change. something different at least.

i swear, every tech new grad, accounting junior, articling student and real estate hack out there drives one of the three of those. all leases, all white/silver/black. so boring. at my office, the junior engineers were much the same way. they had no idea why they went with the of the Germans over an alternate make, just that they were sheep following the herd for the appearance of status. none of them were enthusiasts in any way so they just as easily could have bought a civic or mazda 3 (smart money), which are also a dime-a-dozen.

 

[Husky]

The comments make it worth the read. People are loyal to a fault! Here's the link with full comments: C&D - G70 vs M340i

Having just sold my BMW 3 series after many years of enjoyable (but sometimes frustrating) driving, I wholeheartedly agree with comments by "notaprius". In particular, this one: Notaprius

As a former E90 335i ZSP owner, I always loved that inline 6, smoothest engine on the planet. But it and its descendants use lots of valve overlap to get the minimal lag and efficiency by preventing the turbo from falling off boost. Audi VW and BMW al do this, but they are also the top 3 makes in carbon deposit issues on the back of intake valv es in direct injection applications. Do a little research and you'll find that BMW uses a pulling of the head bd blasting with walnut shells every 30-40k miles, and its expensive. IF you dont clean the head, 10% drop in power can occur eventually and the engine is not going to last with those heat insulating deposits. Interesting that ford,GM, and many other makers like subaru and lexus don't have these carbon deposit issues in their DI engines. the efficiency and extra power come at the cost of a $1200(?) walnut shell treatment every 30-40k miles and likely reduced longevity due to insulating carbon deposits. The sterile steering of modern day BMW's is a problem especially at near 70k. And lets face it gas mileage on a depreciating 70k car is of little consequence except the power/mpg statistic which has its cost as covered above. BMW, Audi, VW have always run lots of valve overlap that craps up the intake valves. I enjoy BMW's styling, but they not only dont have the whole package, it has its costly maintenance issues. The hyundai at 50k, developed by the former head of the BMW M division, is an amazing sedan. The M340 is also an amazing sedan, but its dear and it will cost you another 10k over the first 100k miles. the only thing ablout he G70 is(aside no manual) that is depreciates fast so its an expensive lease for its purchase price. BMW does much better there. This is why BMW drivers are mostly lesees, they dont wown their cars unless they can afford the huge depreciation in all 70k cars and the maintenance costs the come with german car ownership. lease the M340i, buy the G70.

Interesting. I hadn't read the comments yet. While I agree with much of what he said about the BMW, I have to disagree with the notion that the cars need to have the valves cleaned everything 30-40k miles. This is a gross exaggeration, based on my experience. I owned both a 2011 E90 335xi and a 2014 F30 335xi, and put about 80k miles on each. Never had the valves cleaned, the dealer never tried to sell me on it, and I never noticed any drop in power. I did run a bottle of Techron through the cars every six months or so. His explanation as to why this may be a more likely issue (after ?? miles) with the German cars is interesting though. In fact, neither of these cars required anything other than the normal fluids, filters and brake pads. They were very reliable and trouble free, as I hope my G70 will be.

 

[NLJ]

Do the Italian Tune-Up for carbon buildup!

 

[Beefer]

Do the Italian Tune-Up for carbon buildup!

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[OMG70]

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[JeremyTD]

another aspect of the discussion that isn't brought up in the comments has to do with the overabundance of 3-series out there. the G70 is a refreshing departure from the sea of 330's, 340's, etc. not to mention the A4's and C-classes of the world. that it happens to be a fantastic car is a bonus. hell, i even give a guy props for taking a chance on a Giulia for a change. something different at least.

i swear, every tech new grad, accounting junior, articling student and real estate hack out there drives one of the three of those. all leases, all white/silver/black. so boring. at my office, the junior engineers were much the same way. they had no idea why they went with the of the Germans over an alternate make, just that they were sheep following the herd for the appearance of status. none of them were enthusiasts in any way so they just as easily could have bought a civic or mazda 3 (smart money), which are also a dime-a-dozen.

Agreed! I have to admit that one of the (many) reasons I leased my G70 is because it's NOT a BMW. I have no hate towards BMW. For many years a 3 series was my goal. It's just nice to have something a little different and support the "under dog".

 

[ECF]

I'm curious what a tear down and side by side comparison of powertrain components would show (though I'm sure BMW and H/K/G and others already have this information for their competition). Part of the $15-$17k price delta is likely margin related, I'd like to think that at least part of that cost is reflected in higher complexity designs/materials on BMW's side to achieve the higher power density and fuel economy numbers.

I have a friend who used work as a performance engineer and did a similar tear down and competitive analysis with an Audi. After he was done he was in full admiration as to how beautifully engineered all the various parts were...then swore he'd never buy one given the design complexity, potential failure modes, and high replacement cost

 

[Husky]

I'm curious what a tear down and side by side comparison of powertrain components would show (though I'm sure BMW and H/K/G and others already have this information for their competition). Part of the $15-$17k price delta is likely margin related, I'd like to think that at least part of that cost is reflected in higher complexity designs/materials on BMW's side to achieve the higher power density and fuel economy numbers.

I have a friend who used work as a performance engineer and did a similar tear down and competitive analysis with an Audi. After he was done he was in full admiration as to how beautifully engineered all the various parts were...then swore he'd never buy one given the design complexity, potential failure modes, and high replacement cost

That certainly would be interesting to see. After inspecting the underside of my G70, I was generally pleased, and noticed some nice aluminum castings used in the chassis. However I was disappointed in the exhaust system, as the pipes were considerably smaller in diameter than my recent BMW's, not to mention being pinched down considerably under the rear end. I'm also not sure it's made of decent stainless, since it's magnetic, while my BMW's wasn't. That could be indicative of some cost cutting.

 

[tarhoosier]

This must be me, but when I tried the A4 the steering wheel and pedals and seat seemed just a bit out of line. I felt I had to move an inch, or something to stay square. It was an odd sensation. Once I noticed it I could not get it out of my head. Plus the dull color choices and the dealer experience was sterile and uninviting.

 

[ECF]

That certainly would be interesting to see. After inspecting the underside of my G70, I was generally pleased, and noticed some nice aluminum castings used in the chassis. However I was disappointed in the exhaust system, as the pipes were considerably smaller in diameter than my recent BMW's, not to mention being pinched down considerably under the rear end. I'm also not sure it's made of decent stainless, since it's magnetic, while my BMW's wasn't. That could be indicative of some cost cutting.

From my understanding restrictions in the exhaust system are more beneficial at lower engine rpms (where exhaust velocity out of the engine is low) in order to scavenge exhaust fumes from the engine more quickly at low speed, however this becomes a bottleneck at high rpm (where exhaust velocity is high) and exhaust is exiting less freely than it potentially could. If that's true and the engineer/product manager/NPI guy assumes that the vehicle will spend most of it's life in 2-4K RPM it would likely have a more restrictive exhaust than a car using the same engine that's expected to see the bulk of it's usage in higher RPM. I'm curious what the "ideal engine speed" the G70 has its exhaust tuned for vs BMW.

 

[EdP]

From my understanding restrictions in the exhaust system are more beneficial at lower engine rpms (where exhaust velocity out of the engine is low) in order to scavenge exhaust fumes from the engine more quickly at low speed, however this becomes a bottleneck at high rpm (where exhaust velocity is high) and exhaust is exiting less freely than it potentially could. If that's true and the engineer/product manager/NPI guy assumes that the vehicle will spend most of it's life in 2-4K RPM it would likely have a more restrictive exhaust than a car using the same engine that's expected to see the bulk of it's usage in higher RPM. I'm curious what the "ideal engine speed" the G70 has its exhaust tuned for vs BMW.

Your understanding is correct. Auto design has a lot of compromises and this is surely one of them. I imagine the performance engineering guys were fighting the marketing guys. A sports sedan attracts buyers that like that low 0 to 60 time but they still have to offer economic performance for the everyday commuter. It would be interesting to see what can be achieved with no compromise and a short warranty.

 

[joschneider]

Your understanding is correct. Auto design has a lot of compromises and this is surely one of them. I imagine the performance engineering guys were fighting the marketing guys. A sports sedan attracts buyers that like that low 0 to 60 time but they still have to offer economic performance for the everyday commuter. It would be interesting to see what can be achieved with no compromise and a short warranty.

I think his point also concerns low to mid range torque vs high end power since a little restriction actually gives you that trade off. Most people spend their time feeling that low end torque and for most that’s more important than extra pull from 5k rpm onwards

 

[Beefer]

Manfred is finally gone!!! I had a felling that f$%ker was useless. Hopefully this helps things...

Hyundai Motor replaces head of premium Genesis brand

Hyundai Motor on Tuesday named its former North American chief, William Lee, to oversee its premium Genesis brand following the departure of Manfred Fitzgerald to pursue new opportunities.

www.reuters.com

 

[Beefer]

2019 Genesis G70 Long-Term Update 1 Review - Motor Trend

Our shiny new Genesis G70 3.3T should have had about 2,000 miles on the clock by now. Find out what happened here!

www.motortrend.com