Genesis G70 Reviews

[Beefer]

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/2019-genesis-g70-best-value/2100007875

 

[Ernie3647]

http://[URL]https://www.kbb.com/car-news/2019-genesis-g70-best-value/2100007875

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Nice !

 

[joschneider]

New 3 series vs G70 review from C&D! 2020 BMW 3-series vs. 2020 Genesis G70: Which is the Better Compact Luxury Sports Sedan?

 

[joschneider]

also to add to this: they tested the G70 sport trim and got 4.4 0-60 so thats def confirmed

 

[Beefer]

also to add to this: they tested the G70 sport trim and got 4.4 0-60 so thats def confirmed

I confirmed that a year ago

 

[joschneider]

I confirmed that a year ago

Didn’t you run your numbers using the JB4 app? I trust C&Ds VBOX more

 

[Beefer]

Didn’t you run your numbers using the JB4 app? I trust C&Ds VBOX more

Dragy

 

[joschneider]

Dragy

gotcha, must have missed your post from last year about it. youre in the best place to get some of the ideal times out of the car too with your low elevation and whatnot

 

[canucklehead604]

yeah, BMW must be continuing to under-rate their engines. an old trick of theirs, and MB. amazing inline-6 they have there along with the slushbox. can't argue that point. but for ~$16k more and harder to live with suspension tuning? tough call. or not.

the G70's 13s 1/4 mile time is plenty quick. that was corvette territory not too long ago...

 

[Aquineas]

Well, we wanted a head-to-head; looks like we got one. It looks like Genesis has some more work to do. I do feel like they downplay the roughly 30 percent price difference a little bit, but it is what it is. Hopefully Genesis is aiming for the upcoming M3 as they quietly work on "N" (or whatever the N variant will be called for Genesis).

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[Slip_Angle]

Man that 340i is quick! Wow.

But as everyone says, the G70 is the better value. Add $500 for a JB4 and you get the same performance.

Interesting if you look at the performance numbers, the rolling start and top gear 30-50 mph and 50-70 mph are much closer.

...It's that SOFT launch again!!!

 

[Aquineas]

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...It's that SOFT launch again!!!

Completely circumstantial observation on my part with no "official" corroborating data to back it up, I've always felt that Genesis was trying to protect that 8-speed transmission by limiting initial torque.

 

[NLJ]

yeah, BMW must be continuing to under-rate their engines. an old trick of theirs, and MB. amazing inline-6 they have there along with the slushbox. can't argue that point. but for ~$16k more and harder to live with suspension tuning? tough call. or not.

the G70's 13s 1/4 mile time is plenty quick. that was corvette territory not too long ago...

They have an insurance pricing reasons for the power numbers they report. Supposedly some European countries hike insurance rates based on how powerful the cars are.

 

[Husky]

Man that 340i is quick! Wow.

But as everyone says, the G70 is the better value. Add $500 for a JB4 and you get the same performance.

Interesting if you look at the performance numbers, the rolling start and top gear 30-50 mph and 50-70 mph are much closer.

...It's that SOFT launch again!!!

Yeah, as a 63 year old who's been a car fanatic since day 1, I can't believe we have main stream sedans that are turning 12 and 13 second quarter miles!! That 340i is faster than ANY stock muscle car back in the day, and the G70 would also beat most of them. Then consider the increased safety, added features, better gas mileage and much, much lower emissions. Truly incredible what time and technology have done. Love it. (Although an old school V8 still sounds better )

 

[Edmguy]

The new 340 is impressive. But I don't think enough to justify the price difference. If I was looking today at both cars again, I think I would still end up in the G70. A loaded 340 is $76,880 CAD plus tax. That is almost $20K more than the G70 and not as much free maintenance. That is more than 30% more money for maybe 5-10% extra in performance and features. That is hard to swallow. And I have had a number of BMW's in the past and consider myself a fan and still don't think I could do it.

 

[ECF]

Completely circumstantial observation on my part with no "official" corroborating data to back it up, I've always felt that Genesis was trying to protect that 8-speed transmission by limiting initial torque.

I think that's a pretty good theory. Genesis seems to be one of the few automakers (I'm struggling to think of another) where AWD application in a performance vehicle didn't result in faster 0-60 times. BMW's x-drive and Audi's quattro certainly have better 0-60 times than their RWD/FWD counterparts. My guess is there's likely some sort of torque limit software strategy based off what the engine flywheel, torque converter output, and transmission output speed sensors are seeing. During launch you want engine RPM's to be high (to build boost) while you want the transmission outspeed speed to be 0 (so you're not prematurely sending torque out to wheels) so the torque converter is taking that load until the car starts moving forward (stall torque). Once that happens the appropriate clutches get energized propelling the car forward. I believe the ideal launch has the vehicle build enough torque at stall that you're almost overcoming the traction of the tires (too little and you bog at launch, too much and you spin the tires until you finally hook up)

So to your point I think one of two things is the limiting factor
1. The torque converter cannot handle stall torque past a certain value
2. The transmission does not have enough capacity in the first gear clutch to handle a hard launch

 

[Ernie3647]

Yeah, as a 63 year old who's been a car fanatic since day 1, I can't believe we have main stream sedans that are turning 12 and 13 second quarter miles!! That 340i is faster than ANY stock muscle car back in the day, and the G70 would also beat most of them. Then consider the increased safety, added features, better gas mileage and much, much lower emissions. Truly incredible what time and technology have done. Love it. (Although an old school V8 still sounds better )

Totally agree.
I remember I had a 1971 340 Plymouth Duster with engine completely reworked and I thought that car was really fast (in a straight line of course) and so did all my friends who also had fast cars but his new technology approach to fast is altogether different. My new car could surely have at least kept up with it maybe even better it in stock form. Not to mention that it can also shine on the track (doesn’t do it just going straight) gets fairly good mileage rides nice and protects me better. But I will agree a hot V8 is the best sounding engine. Prime example sound of a 426 Hemi. Yes the times they are a changing.

 

[Slip_Angle]

I think that's a pretty good theory. Genesis seems to be one of the few automakers (I'm struggling to think of another) where AWD application in a performance vehicle didn't result in faster 0-60 times. BMW's x-drive and Audi's quattro certainly have better 0-60 times than their RWD/FWD counterparts. My guess is there's likely some sort of torque limit software strategy based off what the engine flywheel, torque converter output, and transmission output speed sensors are seeing. During launch you want engine RPM's to be high (to build boost) while you want the transmission outspeed speed to be 0 (so you're not prematurely sending torque out to wheels) so the torque converter is taking that load until the car starts moving forward (stall torque). Once that happens the appropriate clutches get energized propelling the car forward. I believe the ideal launch has the vehicle build enough torque at stall that you're almost overcoming the traction of the tires (too little and you bog at launch, too much and you spin the tires until you finally hook up)

So to your point I think one of two things is the limiting factor
1. The torque converter cannot handle stall torque past a certain value
2. The transmission does not have enough capacity in the first gear clutch to handle a hard launch

The Stinger people are doing a brake snip mod to get the big launch. 60ft times of 1.5. same as a McLaren 720s !

 

[joschneider]

The Stinger people are doing a brake snip mod to get the big launch. 60ft times of 1.5. same as a McLaren 720s !

And at least one screwed up his trans doing it

 

[Slip_Angle]

And at least one screwed up his trans doing it

I didn't think that was proven. Seems lots of others have no issue. Time will tell