Tesla CyberTruck

[Dimitry]

 

[MG8]

 

[Beefer]

NHTSA opens probe into fatal Tesla crash in Indiana

The incident is the 14th involving Tesla that the safety agency's special crash investigation program has taken up in which it suspects the company's so-called Autopilot or other advanced driver assistance system was in use.

www.autonews.com

 

[Sal Collaziano]

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I don't know why people are still allowing their Teslas to drive them places. The technology is excellent - but not ready for people to just let go of driving altogether yet. But people still do it. I'm grateful for Tesla offering a system as good as it is - and I'm ashamed of humanity for taking advantage of it and being so irresponsible...

 

[Husky]

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???. This type of analysis might lead one to believe that buying an old school bus is really your best bet.

 

[MG8]

however the safety and technology trade off of the Model 3 being the safest car out there along with being years ahead in technology is worth it for me personally though if I was in the market for a small luxury car.

so much for being the safest and years ahead still couldnt prevent death.
Fatal Tesla crash in Gardena being investigated by NHTSA

???. This type of analysis might lead one to believe that buying an old school bus is really your best bet.

3 WIPERS , 2 SUNROOFS , A FRIDGE ..... NO....... I JUST DIDNT SELL YOU ON THAT????

i figured so many fools are sold on "auto pilot" thought i could do the same. shucks!!!!

 

[Beefer]

I don't know why people are still allowing their Teslas to drive them places. The technology is excellent - but not ready for people to just let go of driving altogether yet. But people still do it. I'm grateful for Tesla offering a system as good as it is - and I'm ashamed of humanity for taking advantage of it and being so irresponsible...

Hear about the guy the other day that got busted flossing his teeth while his Tesla was moving along? Unreal.

 

[Dimitry]

so much for being the safest and years ahead still couldnt prevent death.
Fatal Tesla crash in Gardena being investigated by NHTSA

Irresponsibility, malevolence and otherwise will always be a factor with any loss of life situation. Safety and technological advances, preventive measures and likewise can help mitigate and eliminate certain scenarios to reduce the overall injury/fatality rate, but you'll always have those that do not yield what they have responsibly, whether it be in the oldest Pinto or the newest Tesla. If you're going to gun it past a red light like this guy did, that's just reckless and unfortunately, cost two lives in the other vehicle.

In other news, Tesla surpassed GM and Ford combined today in value.

 

[Cgo]

It's a shame that there is a trend emerging that indicates car enthusiasts will some day in the not too distant future will be so lazy that they're excited about their cars as appliances that get them from point A to B automatically. Basically just sitting in their quiet, boring, hands free chariots. What is there to be enthusiastic about? BORING.

It's like getting excited about a flashy LaZboy recliner. No thanks, i enjoy cars because I like to drive them.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

It's a shame that there is a trend emerging that indicates car enthusiasts will some day in the not too distant future will be so lazy that they're excited about their cars as appliances that get them from point A to B automatically. Basically just sitting in their quiet, boring, hands free chariots. What is there to be enthusiastic about? BORING.

It's like getting excited about a flashy LaZboy recliner. No thanks, i enjoy cars because I like to drive them.

Young people don’t care about cars anymore. The focus will be on things like comfort, amenities, how quickly the car can get you to your destination...

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[EdP]

Young people don’t care about cars anymore. The focus will be on things like comfort, amenities, how quickly the car can get you to your destination...

Times have changed from when we turned 16. I had my license days after and a car a few months later.

Why Doesn’t My Teenager Want To Drive?

Data from Michigan’s Monitoring the Future survey, which is a continuing study of American youth, shows the number of high school seniors who drive dropped from 85.3 percent in 1996 to 71.5 in 2015, a record low for the age group.

“And why do I even have to?” In other words, if my mom drives me everywhere, do I really need to do it myself? Also, if there’s nowhere to go, why should I leave my bedroom? And, perhaps most importantly, if I don’t have a car, does driving really exist?

 

[MG8]

Irresponsibility, malevolence and otherwise will always be a factor with any loss of life situation. Safety and technological advances, preventive measures and likewise can help mitigate and eliminate certain scenarios to reduce the overall injury/fatality rate, but you'll always have those that do not yield what they have responsibly, whether it be in the oldest Pinto or the newest Tesla. If you're going to gun it past a red light like this guy did, that's just reckless and unfortunately, cost two lives in the other vehicle.

In other news, Tesla surpassed GM and Ford combined today in value.

what happen to trusting your life in a tesla stop by it self drive by it self, technology over everything , the safest vehicle EVER blah blah blah !!!! .
in other news what does that mean for you? hyundai motors swept with the best car of year and best suv of year awards in 2019 and took 1, 2, & 3 in most reliable brands and do you know why tesla was not ranked ? because tesla decide NOT to participate in the test. meaning too many problems.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

what happen to trusting your life in a tesla stop by it self drive by it self, technology over everything , the safest vehicle EVER blah blah blah !!!! .
in other news what does that mean for you? hyundai motors swept with the best car of year and best suv of year awards in 2019 and took 1, 2, & 3 in most reliable brands and do you know why tesla was not ranked ? because tesla decide NOT to participate in the test. meaning too many problems.

It's just my personal opinion - but I don't consider any Tesla vehicle luxurious. They just don't feel that way to me. However, it's also my opinion that even though we're seeing deadly accidents with Tesla vehicles - that doesn't mean they're NOT the safest vehicle ever made. It's not the vehicle is not failing the driver - the drive is failing the vehicle.

 

[EdP]

It's just my personal opinion - but I don't consider any Tesla vehicle luxurious. They just don't feel that way to me. However, it's also my opinion that even though we're seeing deadly accidents with Tesla vehicles - that doesn't mean they're NOT the safest vehicle ever made. It's not the vehicle is not failing the driver - the drive is failing the vehicle.

They seem to appeal more to technology that luxury. They have fake leather seats do they don't turn off potential vegan buyers.
Yes, there are going to be those few drivers that are overconfident. (maybe a little arrogant?)
When a Tesla crashes it makes news all over. Similar accident happen all the time but if a Tesla is involved it gets more attention. The one that went trough the red light mentioned it is not know if it was on auto pilot. If it was a Honda or Chevy, you'd never hear about it.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

They seem to appeal more to technology that luxury. They have fake leather seats do they don't turn off potential vegan buyers.
Yes, there are going to be those few drivers that are overconfident. (maybe a little arrogant?)
When a Tesla crashes it makes news all over. Similar accident happen all the time but if a Tesla is involved it gets more attention. The one that went trough the red light mentioned it is not know if it was on auto pilot. If it was a Honda or Chevy, you'd never hear about it.

I agree. And in response to your previous message, I had my first car the first day I legally could drive.

 

[MG8]

It's just my personal opinion - but I don't consider any Tesla vehicle luxurious. They just don't feel that way to me. However, it's also my opinion that even though we're seeing deadly accidents with Tesla vehicles - that doesn't mean they're NOT the safest vehicle ever made. It's not the vehicle is not failing the driver - the drive is failing the vehicle.

i agree , tesla owners are over confident arrogant at the same time telsa fault for selling such product and making there consumers think they have such a feature "autopilot" . though even when using any auto stop feature it should have detected the other object and prevented the accident if being the " safest vehicle" like Mr.Dimitry claims .

 

[Edmguy]

I think we are going to see a lot more deaths while people are letting their cars drive them and it won't just be Tesla. That is all you read about now because they have one of the best active driving systems in the industry. And people seem to love to bash Tesla. But as other manufacturers get better with their systems, the idiots driving those cars will become overconfident as well and it will lead to more accidents.

Even looking at the G70, the active steering and automatic cruise control is enough to do most of the driving on the highway. Sure you have to touch the steering wheel the odd time, but it works pretty good. But if there is a car stopped on the road ahead and you don't notice it, the car will never react quick enough to avoid that accident. And that is how a lot of the Tesla deaths happen.

There are idiots everywhere. It is not just a Tesla thing.

 

[tarhoosier]

One of the meatiest questions society must answer in this regard is "How many deaths from autonomous vehicles is too many?" It is unrealistic to expect autonomy to make cars with no death and injury. If autonomy reduces death ten percent is that enough? 50%? Today we accept tens of thousands of deaths annually from our current vehicles, and why is that? What is the standard that new technology must be held to?
100 years ago automobiles/trucks brought so much benefit that the steadily increasing deaths as travel increased were accepted incrementally until the 1950's-60's. What benefit that autonomy brings will allow us to accept the number of deaths it inevitably will accompany?
These questions and others like them are impossible to answer now but the answer will be apparent in decades to come.

 

[EdP]

One of the meatiest questions society must answer in this regard is "How many deaths from autonomous vehicles is too many?" It is unrealistic to expect autonomy to make cars with no death and injury. If autonomy reduces death ten percent is that enough? 50%? Today we accept tens of thousands of deaths annually from our current vehicles, and why is that? What is the standard that new technology must be held to?
100 years ago automobiles/trucks brought so much benefit that the steadily increasing deaths as travel increased were accepted incrementally until the 1950's-60's. What benefit that autonomy brings will allow us to accept the number of deaths it inevitably will accompany?
These questions and others like them are impossible to answer now but the answer will be apparent in decades to come.

One of the big features touted by the autonomous crowd is reduced accidents and deaths. In theory and a perfect word the numbers should be reduced to zero. We know this can be easily achieved by looking at real world experience where we never had a computer crash or a blowout on a tire. I'm equally confident that drunks will use the "home" button rather than think they can drive.

To answer your question though, I'd think that any reduction would be good and acceptable. The tough sell is getting people to realize it is better when cars continue to crash. As already mentioned, since it is not an approved method of driving 100% of the crashes are really human caused to date. Tesla though, can be blamed a bit for calling their system "auto pilot" It isn't. The name itself gives some drivers too much confidence and they are not ready to take control when needed. I don't know if it would make a difference but is should be called driver assist or driver enhancement. There will be a long transitions period once it is introduced and properly executable.

There may be a period of increased accident while people are learning how and when to use such systems. At least it is not built on Windows 3.1

 

[mrcleeaan]

Is Tesla taking over the world?