2010 Genesis trans fluid change

[NJTom]

2009-2011 V6 Aisin 6 speed

 

[Ducatislave]

2009-2011 V6 Aisin 6 speed

which vehicle? Genesis Sedan? Coupe? it is listed in several models, but the tsb's are specific to different model groups

 

[Ducatislave]

They did not list a TSB for the 6 speed, but simply means there was never an update to the procedure these are the service instructions and specs.

2010 Hyundai Genesis 3.8 V6 - 3.8L 3778cc GAS MFI Vin E - 4 Valve DOHC



AT Filter Service Fill

Unit	Capacity	Reference	Name	Notes
TB-60N	Not Specified Q / Not Specified L	Filter Service	Transmission	-

Automatic transmission diagrams

Unit	Type
TB-60N	Transmission

Transmission

AT Lubricant Recommendations

Unit	Fluid	Description	OE Part No Spec	Notes
TB-60N	WS	JWS 3324 Automatic Transmission Fluid	-	-

AT Total Fill Capacity

Qualifier	Number of Ranges (Speeds)	Transmission Model	Capacity (Quarts/Liters)
-	6	TB-60N	8.66 Q / 8.2 L

Transmission fluid level check

Unit

Procedure

TB-60N

Transmission fluid level must be checked only when fluid temperature is between 86° to 122 º F (30° to 50º C). Start engine and while holding vehicle with brakes, move shift lever through each gear range. Pause for at least 3 seconds in each gear, then move lever to park. Allow engine to idle for at least one minute at idle speed of 500-800RPM. With engine running, and shifter in Park, raise vehicle, ensure vehicle is level, remove transmission oil check plug. Fluid should just drip. Allow any excess to escape or add as required. Install check plug, torque to 18 ft. lbs. (25 Nm).

Lubricant recommendations

Qualifier	Item	Lubricant	Lubricant Description	OE Part No /Spec	Notes
TB-60N	Automatic transmission/transaxle	WS	JWS 3324 Automatic Transmission Fluid	-	-
-	Brake system	HB	Hydraulic Brake Fluid, DOT 3	-	-
-	Cooling system	EC	Ethylene Glycol Coolant	Use only genuine antifreeze/coolant.	-
-	Engine	API*	Motor Oil certified by the API (Starburst Symbol)	-	-
-	Engine	SL	Motor Oil, API Service SL	-	-
-	Engine	SM	Motor Oil, API Service SM	-	-
-	Power steering system	PS005	Pentosin CHF 202	-	-
-	Rear differential	GL-5	Gear Oil, API Service GL-5	SAE 75W-90	-

 

[NJTom]

Thank you Ducatislave for the information! I need to climb under the car this weekend and assess the tranny myself to see if possible to perform while the car is on the jack stands.

 

[Ducatislave]

Thank you Ducatislave for the information! I need to climb under the car this weekend and assess the tranny myself to see if possible to perform while the car is on the jack stands.

Should be, i would drive the front up on ramps and then jack the rear up so you have lots of room to move. once the under-body covers come off though, things are pretty easy to locate.

 

[09Genny4.6]

You’re right about the fill process. I put the genesis on jackstands, made sure it was level, filled the tranny and cycled through the gears 2-3 times... still wasn’t enough to get it shifting right. I was prepared to subtract or add fluid to get it shifting right. Adding was key. Thanks for the nonexistent dipstick! Hopefully I’ll be able to report any significant damage after another tranny change in 60k miles but that wont be soon! Been shifting better than ever for the last 10k miles. As for the fluid type, I did some research on the bmw forums and found out the Valvoline maxlife i’m using Got an answer from Valvoline. Their Maxlife fluid satisfies the Shell M1375 Spec.

Is it a bad idea to use Red Line's D6 ATF? It meets Shell's 1375.4 specs as well. Also, after following the ZF drain and refill (with filter pan and mechatronic sleeve replacement) procedure, do you have to reset the transmission ecu or will the transmission re-learn shift points/quality automatically after new fluid?

 

[Ducatislave]

Is it a bad idea to use Red Line's D6 ATF? It meets Shell's 1375.4 specs as well. Also, after following the ZF drain and refill (with filter pan and mechatronic sleeve replacement) procedure, do you have to reset the transmission ecu or will the transmission re-learn shift points/quality automatically after new fluid?

If the fluid does no specifically list the ATF type specified by Hyundai or ZF in the owners manual then I would avoid using it. These transmission manufacturers list specific fluids based on the detergent additives vs. the types of adhesive used in their clutches. If you put in a fluid that is not specifically approved by your transmissions' OEM then you run the risk of causing irreparable breakdown of your clutch material and inevitable failure.
As to your other question unless your transmission had set some high pressure shifting parameters due to leak by or slippage, then it would stand to reason that it should not need to be reset. As I understand it the TCU Adaptive Shift function, the transmission only changes from the previous adaptive's if it detects a shift pattern error/excessive delay or slippage. One thing I do know with all the ZF transmissions, is that they do not like low voltage, if your battery is bad or your alternator starts dying you will most likely start experiencing shift problems right around 9.8v, and if it drops below 9v it will most likely stop shifting all together.

 

[09Genny4.6]

If the fluid does no specifically list the ATF type specified by Hyundai or ZF in the owners manual then I would avoid using it. These transmission manufacturers list specific fluids based on the detergent additives vs. the types of adhesive used in their clutches. If you put in a fluid that is not specifically approved by your transmissions' OEM then you run the risk of causing irreparable breakdown of your clutch material and inevitable failure.
As to your other question unless your transmission had set some high pressure shifting parameters due to leak by or slippage, then it would stand to reason that it should not need to be reset. As I understand it the TCU Adaptive Shift function, the transmission only changes from the previous adaptive's if it detects a shift pattern error/excessive delay or slippage. One thing I do know with all the ZF transmissions, is that they do not like low voltage, if your battery is bad or your alternator starts dying you will most likely start experiencing shift problems right around 9.8v, and if it drops below 9v it will most likely stop shifting all together.

Red Line specifically states their D6 ATF is a suitable match for ZF LG-6 fluid and that it meets the Shell 1375.4 spec. The owner's manual isn't gong to list out each manufacturer and specify which of their fluids to use, especially when the data is from 2009. The owner's manual states a spec the fluid you use must meet. Since my comment, I've already spoken with two reputable mechanics and they both told me they would simply use synthetic fluid from brand they carry (as long as it meets the spec) and it doesn't matter if you mix fluid (i.e. drain 5-6 quarts of ZF factory fill and add in another brand that meets the requirements). There are numerous reports of people using Mobil 1, Mercon SP, Amsoil, and even Maxlife in their ZFs. I haven't made a decision as of yet. ZF LG 6 is about double the price per "liter," which adds up really quick. Thanks for the insight on the TCU! From what I've read, the entire Genesis electrical system is very sensitive.. Certain systems on the car won't work correctly if the battery is getting older and if you don't replace it with a genuine Hyundai battery.

One last question.. I'm planning on doing the job myself and am going to replace the mechatronic sleeve seal, the bridge seal, and the 4 small tube seals. Once I refill, should I drive around for a couple hundred miles and then drain/refill again or is one drain/refill enough for another 30-40K miles?

 

[Ducatislave]

Red Line specifically states their D6 ATF is a suitable match for ZF LG-6 fluid and that it meets the Shell 1375.4 spec. The owner's manual isn't gong to list out each manufacturer and specify which of their fluids to use, especially when the data is from 2009. The owner's manual states a spec the fluid you use must meet. Since my comment, I've already spoken with two reputable mechanics and they both told me they would simply use synthetic fluid from brand they carry (as long as it meets the spec) and it doesn't matter if you mix fluid (i.e. drain 5-6 quarts of ZF factory fill and add in another brand that meets the requirements). There are numerous reports of people using Mobil 1, Mercon SP, Amsoil, and even Maxlife in their ZFs. I haven't made a decision as of yet. ZF LG 6 is about double the price per "liter," which adds up really quick. Thanks for the insight on the TCU! From what I've read, the entire Genesis electrical system is very sensitive.. Certain systems on the car won't work correctly if the battery is getting older and if you don't replace it with a genuine Hyundai battery.

One last question.. I'm planning on doing the job myself and am going to replace the mechatronic sleeve seal, the bridge seal, and the 4 small tube seals. Once I refill, should I drive around for a couple hundred miles and then drain/refill again or is one drain/refill enough for another 30-40K miles?

I agree, I wasn't saying specific brand, just type. If it meets the spec called for then go ahead and use it. I did not have the spec in front of me when I composed the previous post so I wasn't about to say it was ok, just to make sure that they match.

 

[xiaphin]

I have a 2010 3.8 V6 with the Aisin B600 trans and am planning to do a drain and fill soon. Have the fluid, a manual fluid transfer pump, and everything else I need but am hesitant to do this. Only procedures I have found until now are for the ZF and the coupe which has a different pan and a fill location from the top.

Can't seem to locate the fill check plug in the same spot that is depicted in the procedure posted by Ducatislave. Mine appears to be towards the drivers front of the transmission. Can someone confirm this that has the 6 speed Aisin transmission? This thread has been bouncing back and forth between both types.

Assuming the drain plug is the one towards the rear of the car and overflow offset to the front. Anybody confirm this for me? Thanks in advance.

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[Ducatislave]

I have a 2010 3.8 V6 with the Aisin B600 trans and am planning to do a drain and fill soon. Have the fluid, a manual fluid transfer pump, and everything else I need but am hesitant to do this. Only procedures I have found until now are for the ZF and the coupe which has a different pan and a fill location from the top.

Can't seem to locate the fill check plug in the same spot that is depicted in the procedure posted by Ducatislave. Mine appears to be towards the drivers front of the transmission. Can someone confirm this that has the 6 speed Aisin transmission? This thread has been bouncing back and forth between both types.

Assuming the drain plug is the one towards the rear of the car and overflow offset to the front. Anybody confirm this for me? Thanks in advance.

Here is the TSB on The 8 Speed with Pictures i am still trying to locate the one for the 6 speed.

 

[Ducatislave]

Can't seem to locate the fill check plug in the same spot that is depicted in the procedure posted by Ducatislave. Mine appears to be towards the drivers front of the transmission. Can someone confirm this that has the 6 speed Aisin transmission? This thread has been bouncing back and forth between both types.

Assuming the drain plug is the one towards the rear of the car and overflow offset to the front. Anybody confirm this for me? Thanks in advance.

You are correct in questioning the diagram, I just realized that they put two completely different pictures for the TB-60N transmission in that info from my old post. The top drawing is a TB-60N and the bottom is an 8-peed. I just noticed that. I will find you the correct procedure. Any chance you could post a couple pics of your transmission without the shield on so that i can bee 100% sure you get the correct info.
Also what is the build date on your car?

 

[Ducatislave]

I have a 2010 3.8 V6 with the Aisin B600 trans and am planning to do a drain and fill soon. Have the fluid, a manual fluid transfer pump, and everything else I need but am hesitant to do this. Only procedures I have found until now are for the ZF and the coupe which has a different pan and a fill location from the top.

Can't seem to locate the fill check plug in the same spot that is depicted in the procedure posted by Ducatislave. Mine appears to be towards the drivers front of the transmission. Can someone confirm this that has the 6 speed Aisin transmission? This thread has been bouncing back and forth between both types.

Assuming the drain plug is the one towards the rear of the car and overflow offset to the front. Anybody confirm this for me? Thanks in advance.

Got it, had to look under an '09 since they were phased out in early 2010. See attached PDF. If that doesn't look like your transmission please let me know and I will keep digging.

 

[xiaphin]

I do have the proper fluid, so no issue there. I followed the directions from the manual Mark graciously gave me and I still am only getting about 1 2/3 quart of fluid out. The tranny does have the drain plug, overflow plug and a filler plug.

The ironic part is that I owned and operated a tranny shop in the 90's and have made hundreds of fluid changes. I never saw a tranny that held so little in the pan. I may get a pan gasket and pull it to see if there is an issue.

I changed out the fluid last weekend and got 1.5-1.75 out of the pan alone when removing the drain plug. Got a total of 3 out when removing the pan and filter. Late reply but doesn't appear the quantity you got from draining was wrong.

Got it, had to look under an '09 since they were phased out in early 2010. See attached PDF. If that doesn't look like your transmission please let me know and I will keep digging.

Ignore my previous question about the drain and overflow locations, somehow I glossed over this in the FSM. Pretty clear where they are and the refill process. The image in your first TSB doesn't appear to be the TB-60N (Aisin B600) nor does it match the FSM. Thanks for your last post, it shows the correct transmission.

Didn't follow the FSM procedure for drain and fill, instead I added 3 quarts which is what drained out. If you don't change the filter the FSM wants you to remove the overflow plug, fill till it runs out, install overflow plug, cycle through the gears a few times, and top off with 0.2 L, with car off, remove drain plug again, and install after it stops leaking out. Pics below. FSM pages attached.

 

[xiaphin]

Submitted a sample of the 105k used transmission fluid to Black Stone Laboratories for analysis. They were surprised how clean it was for having over 100k miles on it. For those considering doing this flush you might find this analysis report helpful. If you aren't experiencing any shifting issues or other trans issues may not be worth changing the fluid.

"This is the factory fill, so we were fully expecting to find a lot of extra metal and silicon from new
parts wearing in and harmless sealers used during assembly. It looks like they gave this the white glove
treatment when they put it together because these numbers line up nicely with universal averages. Those
averages show typical wear after about 33,400 miles of oil use. No contamination or solids (insolubles) are
present, and the viscosity is on target for ATF. This is a great way to start building trends for this
transmission!"

Report attached.

 

[deagle]

Submitted a sample of the 105k used transmission fluid to Black Stone Laboratories for analysis. They were surprised how clean it was for having over 100k miles on it. For those considering doing this flush you might find this analysis report helpful. If you aren't experiencing any shifting issues or other trans issues may not be worth changing the fluid.

"This is the factory fill, so we were fully expecting to find a lot of extra metal and silicon from new
parts wearing in and harmless sealers used during assembly. It looks like they gave this the white glove
treatment when they put it together because these numbers line up nicely with universal averages. Those
averages show typical wear after about 33,400 miles of oil use. No contamination or solids (insolubles) are
present, and the viscosity is on target for ATF. This is a great way to start building trends for this
transmission!"

Report attached.

I just bought a 2015 with 102k still running the factory fill. I'd like to have the analysis done before I make a decision. How much fluid did you collect and did you give them any instructions? Thanks.

 

[xiaphin]

Request the kit from them and they tell you how much to collect. It is two containers, one to collect, and another larger one with pre printed label to ship it back to them. IIRC it was only a few ounces.