GV80 Pricing (USA) Revealed

[Chad86tsi]

Whether the price is higher or lower, how will the effect what you do now, before the car is even available. If it causes you to question the cars reliability then I assume you are not reading this on any os platform that has any bugs. If the difference in price makes you want to run out and buy another car, then that is what you should do.

When I was shopping for a new home builder 2 years ago, I didn't have a home to buy. I was doing research. , I still researched the builder. If in doing that research I found a lot of unprofessional work/conduct, it would alter my opinion of them.

Perhaps I'm not in the demographic they are targeting.

 

[TurtleBoy]

Just ran the tests on the windows box using Firefox and that also is now showing the correct, lower price.

I wonder if they have multiple web servers using a load balancer to direct traffic and one of them has the incorrect code on it. That could explain the differences we are seeing at what appear to be random tries.

Edit: Although my Safari tests have never resulted in the lower price so either I have bad luck or something else is coming into play.

 

[Fun and Joy]

Whatever is going on, it’s a marketing disaster!

1st there is the long rumored $50k to $65k price. Now these numbers were put out there by Genesis, the numbers were even in the mainstream auto press. If they knew the top would be over $70k, there was plenty of time to manage expectations, put out a. $75k price. Then you can come in better price.

Next we get the Official Prices and Trim levels. Starting under $50k Great but the top trim is $73,275, 10% more than we thought. Many of us expressed our feelings about this on this forum. Very limited interior and package choices too.

Now within weeks another increase? How in anybody’s world does this make sense?

The best case scenario is, it’s all a computer/website error. If a price increase was deemed necessary why not let the first deliveries to hit the streets first get some great reviews then if reaction and sales are strong you can slip in a small increase without much notice. But two price increases before the GV80 is even available is pretty dumb. Somebody’s not doing their job.

I’ll still hold my place in line, for now. I’m waiting for the Auto Press and CU reviews, hopefully we should start seeing them by the end of next month.

 

[TurtleBoy]

I’ll still hold my place in line, for now. I’m waiting for the Auto Press and CU reviews, hopefully we should start seeing them by the end of next month.

Why do you think it will be that soon? My guess is August at the earliest unless Genesis releases some US spec vehicles just for the press.

 

[Fun and Joy]

Why do you think it will be that soon? My guess is August at the earliest unless Genesis releases some US spec vehicles just for the press.

Usually when introducing a new model you want it in the hands of the professional Auto Press well before availability. Think F Pace, the new X3 M and X4 M, the newest Audi, we’re reading about them and building an appetite even before we can get them. That’s why the first teaser commercial was on the Super Bowl. It’s all about building BUZZ! If the GV80 is supposed to here Summer 2020, then we should hearing a lot buzz by late spring.

But hey, Genesis is new at this so who knows

 

[TurtleBoy]

^ I hope you are right with it being that soon. It should be interesting to see what they say about the US spec in regards to ride, handling, etc.

 

[Backslack]

1st there is the long rumored $50k to $65k price. Now these numbers were put out there by Genesis, the numbers were even in the mainstream auto press.

No they were not, that price was put out by Car and Driver, without a single shred of proof other than "trust us guyz!"- there were even Genesis reps who refuted it when questioned at car shows a month before the actual price was unveiled, posted in the very threads on this subforum. The 65k max is price was never real, and those being mad that Genesis didn't stick with it have only themselves to blame for believing faulty journalism.

If all it takes is a computer bug lasting a couple days to put some of you in such a state of immense butthurt, I suggest you all take some time off your screens for a breather. Right now, Genesis seems to have more to worry about on their plate with the potential recession thanks to... recent events... than whether or not the price of the GV80 is a couple grand off:

Genesis Motor America Launches Genesis Cares Job Loss Protection

 

[Fun and Joy]

No they were not, that price was put out by Car and Driver, without a single shred of proof other than "trust us guyz!"- there were even Genesis salesmen who refuted it when questioned at car shows a month before the actual price was unveiled, posted in the very threads on this subforum. The 65k max is price was never real, and those being mad that Genesis didn't stick with it have only themselves to blame for believing faulty journalism.

If all it takes is a computer bug lasting a couple days to put so many in such a state of immense butthurt, I suggest you all take some time off your screens for a breather.

No they were not, that price was put out by Car and Driver, without a single shred of proof other than "trust us guyz!"- there were even Genesis salesmen who refuted it when questioned at car shows a month before the actual price was unveiled, posted in the very threads on this subforum. The 65k max is price was never real, and those being mad that Genesis didn't stick with it have only themselves to blame for believing faulty journalism.

If all it takes is a computer bug lasting a couple days to put so many in such a state of immense butthurt, I suggest you all take some time off your screens for a breather.

Sorry Backslack, that's not how it works! No major magazine like Car and Driver would ever just make up a price. NEVER! The auto press and manufacturers work together in a very close symbiotic relationship. I can guarantee you the "estimated" pricing came from Genesis PR, not a copy writer.

Also computer error or not, someone with their fingers on the Genesis website put those numbers in, computers don’t make up package pricing numbers

 

[Backslack]

Unfortunately, "making up a price" is exactly what they did:

There’s still no official word on price, but we have it on good word the GV80 will start at $50,000 for the rear-wheel drive inline-four and crest $65,000 fully-loaded for the all-wheel drive V-6.

2021 Genesis GV80 Tops Out Around $65K for 375-HP V-6 Model

Every other auto journalist outlet since has been quoting the price and even directly referring to Car and Driver's page:

Genesis GV80 Pricing Reportedly Starts Around $50k, Reaches $65k

 

[Mcc]

No they were not, that price was put out by Car and Driver, without a single shred of proof other than "trust us guyz!"- there were even Genesis reps who refuted it when questioned at car shows a month before the actual price was unveiled, posted in the very threads on this subforum. The 65k max is price was never real, and those being mad that Genesis didn't stick with it have only themselves to blame for believing faulty journalism.

If all it takes is a computer bug lasting a couple days to put some of you in such a state of immense butthurt, I suggest you all take some time off your screens for a breather. Right now, Genesis seems to have more to worry about on their plate with the potential recession thanks to... recent events... than whether or not the price of the GV80 is a couple grand off:

Genesis Motor America Launches Genesis Cares Job Loss Protection

Well said. Again folks believe whatever the press says is gospel and when it differs with the official release they blame Genesis for changing. Even if it’s a quote in a magazine by someone at Genesis they accept it a fact, like no one has ever been misquoted before.

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[Mcc]

I can guarantee you the "estimated" pricing came from Genesis PR, not a copy writer.

And exactly can you guarantee that?

 

[Backslack]

Well said. Again folks believe whatever the press says is gospel and when it differs with the official release they blame Genesis for changing. Even if it’s a quote in a magazine by someone at Genesis they accept it a fact, like no one has ever been misquoted before.

Exactly. A couple months ago, it was also C&D that was pushing the misinformation that the GV80 would still have the old 3.3T engine instead of the 3.5, despite all press material saying otherwise. Every site needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[Spill6]

Cache?

No. It makes sense. Apple customers are willing to pay more than others for the same thing

 

[Cruiser]

No they were not, that price was put out by Car and Driver, without a single shred of proof other than "trust us guyz!"- there were even Genesis reps who refuted it when questioned at car shows a month before the actual price was unveiled, posted in the very threads on this subforum. The 65k max is price was never real, and those being mad that Genesis didn't stick with it have only themselves to blame for believing faulty journalism.

If all it takes is a computer bug lasting a couple days to put some of you in such a state of immense butthurt, I suggest you all take some time off your screens for a breather. Right now, Genesis seems to have more to worry about on their plate with the potential recession thanks to... recent events... than whether or not the price of the GV80 is a couple grand off:

Genesis Motor America Launches Genesis Cares Job Loss Protection

Well, I can say that I'm disappointed in the top end price, but will still take a test drive. Unfortunately, I believed you when Benboy posted that:

"Someone I work with has a family member who works for Hyundai Corporate. His info says starting price in high $50’s and topping out around $73k. That seems much higher than I expected. Either they have misinformation, are accidentally looking at Canadian pricing, or Genesis is very confident in their product"

And you replied:

"Sorry Ben, but I'd rather take C&D's word on the price (since they were actually at the launch event and spoke with some of the top Genesis brass) over your anonymous friend's family member with vague connections to Hyundai. No need to stir the pot with unsubstantiated rumors that contradict existing information."

I also believed you when you posted:

"The GV80 brought to Miami was the highest-spec Prestige trim with the 3.5 TT, and it came with the third-row seats. I would be shocked if that model isn't indicative of what we'll be getting here in the US. We've got months before the car even hits dealer lots, so no need to worry yet."

You are right this time, though. I have no one to blame but myself. Lesson learned.

 

[Backslack]

Haha, the hindsight game. Cute. The difference is that when I posted that two months ago, it was valid speculation, since C&D was the highest "motoring authority" to give a word on price. And yes- I would "take C&D's word on the price over (Benboy's) anonymous friend's family member with vague connections to Hyundai". Given that Benboy was still wrong about the starting price- how has he proven himself to be a better authority than C&D?

When Genesis themselves have spoken on the matter, I have no room to come up with my own interpretation. The matter of fact is that C&D was dead wrong, and Genesis never gave them an actual price. This is not up for debate.

Even then, there's another person who spoke to a Genesis rep at the Chicago auto show some time later that also denied the C&D price- go ahead and dig that quote up too when you have the time.

If you seriously took my speculation from two months ago (before we had the facts we do now and were squabbling as to whether the GV80 even had massage seats) as authority on present events, then yes, I really don't know why you would have anyone else to blame but yourself.


When you play the hindsight game, it's easy to say everyone is wrong.

 

[ctsooner]

Slack, we all have the right to feel any way we want on price and we can and will blame that on anything we want. For anyone to say that it's only an extra thousand or whatever if fine for you, but not for many others. It's the Genesis site and it's been like this for many days. As was said prior, those numbers aren't just random numbers. They were put in there by Genesis.

It's a really BAD look in my opinion. To you it's not based on your statements. That's fine and we are both correct. I'm more concerned about the way they do business. Heck, I don't love how many manufactures do business all the time. I've left BMW for a slew of reasons and I am upset with my local Audi dealers sales folks as the ones I've met as all the close dealers are lazy as heck and have zero knowledge of their products other than what I can read in a brochure. Even then, they don't know basic specs that a fan knows. Enough of that rant, lol.

There are tipping points for everyone IRT pricing of anything. Forget for the moment that the 65k number was drawn up out of thin air by C&D and that they never were told that number by the Genesis folks. The irony is that they put it out there right after or maybe even during the event they were at with Genesis. The fact remains that most on the boards made the assumption that it would top at 65k. For me personally, I had set that number as my limit on a new car. If a lease makes sense, this SUV may be my choice (have to drive it first), but then I need to see what else I can purchase or lease for the same monthly costs.

They have come a long way to build world class luxury vehicles. It sure seems like they are doing a great job and it's why many of us are still here. I'm not hanging out on Mercedes forums or Jag or LR forums (I think I may start to today). I"m here and I love what I see and hear for the most part. Even with any missteps I'm trying to convince myself that the 3.5 Prestige is what I want if it's fun to drive, but without some of the discounts (military, competing brand and a percentage off the MSRP) it won't be as competitive to me. I guess I"ll have to see where the market is when I need a new car in Oct and if this one's even being sold in the US due to everything that's going on.

 

[Fun and Joy]

And exactly can you guarantee that?

Hmm, perhaps I make a poor word choice.

I did see at least one article citing the C&D as the price source, perhaps they were the first to report prices. 95% of what’s on this forum is speculation and my guesses are no better than yours, so let me explain why I feel the way I do;

IF, as has speculated on this forum, Car and Driver magazine is the original source of the $50/65k figure, and they made up that number, then it is copyright protected intellectual work product. Anyone else using that "work product" must legally site the source or risk a law suit for damages. I have not seen that C&D attribution citations attached to any other article I’ve seen using those numbers, have you?

In most of the articles I’ve seen the copy was accompanied by GV80 photos. Photos that came straight form the Genesis USA PR department (see the same photos on the Genesis website) this shows the story editor was in direct contact with Genesis PR, to secure permission to use the photos. Don’t you think if you’re writing an article on the new never seen before GV80 and you’re talking to the GV80 PR team the subject of Price would come up? When the multiple stories comes out with the exact same $50/65k price estimate we’re left with two possibilities,

A. All the articles using the $50/65k number, incredibly made up the same number, or plagiarized the work form C&D. A number it turns out that was uncannily accurate if it was simply made up.

or

B. The $50/65k number estimate was being put out by Genesis PR in response to the "How much will it cost?" question, any writer would inevitably ask. Hence the widely reported identical $50/65k number. A busy Genesis PR department is why you and I have seen so many articles on the GV80 all over the automotive press.

What do you think is the more likely scenario?

 

[coreytime]

I personally think that Genesis has seen the response from reviewers and consumer alike and have chosen to capitalize on that.I have no issue with a company doing that. This doesn't mean that as a consumer that I won't look elsewhere now.

 

[ctsooner]

I personally think that Genesis has seen the response from reviewers and consumer alike and have chosen to capitalize on that.I have no issue with a company doing that. This doesn't mean that as a consumer that I won't look elsewhere now.

Exactly. It's an individual choice. We will never know who's telling the truth IRT that price range, but we will all believe whatever we want to. Like many of you, I have dealt with marketing departments in many industries and that includes the automotive industry and they always 'leak' info to control the narrative. They also have plausible deniability doing this. I personally think this is what happened here, but none of us knows for sure, unless that poster was there when it happened or read an internal document stating such. That's the reality, but it's a fun board and it's great to have different opinions on things.

 

[C230AMG]

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Guess we should just shut up or they will raise it more.

We can’t shut up, we have to voice our opinions. If they let this stick, I go elsewhere like BMW X5 or a M/B GLE450. The price is not much different plus they discount and there’s not much of a difference.