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flutter @ 25-30mph

Quatrac Pro, awesome tires for this car. Smooth and super quiet. Very impressed. Just wish I could get rid of the shakes. It's hopeless. Changed trans fluid again, no better. It's gotta be the torque convertor though. I messed around in 3rd and 4th gear in the same speed zone and both do it equally, so it's not the transmission. Only thing left if it's not the convertor is the front diff but that does not make sense to me. I would be the guinea pig and just PAY to have it replaced, but since I am under warranty it's a principle thing for me and I am not going to spend any more money. Already spent enough of my own money on this car trying to get it to run right, if they don't care, why should I?
 
... if they don't care, why should I?

It is your car, after all, not theirs. Only you pay yearly registry, monthly insurance, perhaps monthly finance payments, and periodic maintenance cost for ownership. They would prefer your car breakdown and seek them for repair costs, either to bill the manufacturer during the factory period or bill you outside of its purview. What did others on this forum write about your specific issue on the appropriate page? There have to be others with your problem.
 
Right, my car my problem. They said to sell I think if it's that bad. HMA. It's under warranty. It's not performing properly. I will drive it until something blows up. My choice is to live with it or sell it. I have more parts changed than anyone's on this thread. I can't keep wasting my time taking it in for them to say it's the tires.
 
Right, my car my problem. They said to sell I think if it's that bad. HMA. It's under warranty. It's not performing properly. I will drive it until something blows up. My choice is to live with it or sell it. I have more parts changed than anyone's on this thread. I can't keep wasting my time taking it in for them to say it's the tires.
Yes, we either have to live with it or get rid of the car. The idiots at the Fitzgerald Hyundai dealership I went to after replacing all tires claimed there was no "real abnormal vibration" (whatever it means) and blamed it on the tires again since they were unknown brand (Quatrac Pro). Even though there was no "abnormal vibration", they immediately offered a road force balancing service for $400 for the tires purchased a week ago at the most reputable tire shop in the state. Why would I need a tire service if there is no vibration according to the dealership??? Idiocy at its' best... They will blame the tires since this is Hyundai corporate position and guidance. Time to get a lawyer...
 
Just tell the dealer to take you on a test drive before they close so you and the tech or manager can verify there is no vibration, put it on the rack over night so no tires are touching the ground and then go back first thing in the morning and demonstrate the vibration. Eliminates teh stupid tire excuse. Gravity pulls harder on THIS car.
 
DBoz, mate, there is something else going on with your Genesis. Here is why I do not think it is due to the tires: I cannot reproduce your issues with my car, and I have different wheels and tires. I have two sets of wheels (stock 18" for winter and staggered G80 Sport 19" for summer) and several sets of tires because I do a lot of mountain driving: Michelin Primacy MX5 (worst tires on the planet), Vredestein Quatrac 5 (amazing), Michelin X-Ice (amazing), and Continental ProContact TX (okay). In no case does the car vibrate at high speeds on any of those. In fact I once went 119 mph and only heard a dusting of wind against the car. I read your posts on the previous page that your car will vibrate at idle on a steep decline? Mate, I can barely hear my car at idle, let alone feel it vibrate. The good news is that your issue is uncommon on a Genesis, the bad news is that you have to figure out what that issue is.

I can sympathize with you because I am experiencing the same intense frustration but with a different problem. I installed an oil catch can on my Genesis and on my wife's Tucson. Whereas the Genesis has little issue with the catch can, the Tucson is having lots of problems with it. Spent oil/fuel vapour is somehow getting into the duct system and infiltrating the cabin, sickening her and I. I have gone back to the installer four times, I moved it, I changed the o-rings, have switched cans, have cleaned it, have used chemical sniffers, I have thrown a lot of money at it, have argued with the distributor over Email about it, have had to take her car when she needed it to others for a second and third opinion, had to be on the receiving end of her irritations and my own, have rifled through pages of internet forum comments about vapour getting into the cabin, and like you I still cannot get a solution to the problem. The mechanic recently told me to just get rid of the can on the Tucson. So, I know right now what you are going through.

I don't know the extent to which you have been meticulous about this, but yes, I would agree with others -- you need to get two or more other opinions with professionals, get in touch with a Hyundai engineer somehow, and if they do not have a solution, get rid of it. If you like the Genesis, the chances are very small you will have the same problem ever again when you buy another Genesis. If you are too frustrated at Genesis and want out for good, buy another brand like a Lexus.

Oh, and by the way, my degrees are in physics and I work in applied physics. When these so called service "managers" say gravity pulls harder on the car than others, they just mean that the car weighs more. They are not being profound. You can just say that the Genesis is pulling the earth towards its center with exactly the same force by Newton's third law. Still not profound.
 
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No, look, I was being sarcastic. Had the engineers on my car already. 2-3 drive shafts, new rear diff, new transfer case. The problem is the torque converter. It must cost too much or is too much labor as HMA refuses to replace it and the dealers don't push the issue because they deem it intermittent. And believe me, I kick myself in the ARSE every day for not buying the Lexus GS. I got sucked in on the longer warranty.
 
Very interesting about the catch can smell. Same here. I don't smell mine in the car but open the hood and it's very obvious. Park it in the garage after a 15 minute drive and the whole place stinks.

I mounted it here for easy access and you don't smell it in this area at all. The can fills up fairly fast. Lot's of water vapor, some fuel and a little oil.

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I haven't spent much time diagnosing it but the smell is definitely coming from the top of the intake manifold on the right side. The hoses to the can do run through that area. I've looked close on the intake manifold and see no sign of oil leaking on it.

The thing that puzzles me is there are no engine fault codes. If it had a vacuum leak (possible source for the smell), you'd think it would show up... maybe not.

I'm gonna get me a piece of hose, use my nose and poke around the intake to try and pinpoint the source. Something in there has to be open to the atmosphere.
 
dboz1031...

I started a new thread about the flat spotted tire / vibration theory. Look it up. It is not your torque converter.

You may have tires that cause vibration (mine do) but it's not the source of the 29mph issue all of us here are dealing with. It is absolutely in the rear driveshaft. I disconnected it and the vibration is gone.

I am 99% convinced it's the flexible coupler on the back of the trans. Yesterday I swapped that coupler for another used one and the vibration was cut in half. I believe the coupler takes a set when parked overnight (worse the colder it is) and it takes a few miles to 'loosen' it up and then the problem goes away. I also believe this is why replacing the dirveshaft may fix it for a while but it eventually comes back.

I am starting to think (uh, oh... conspiracy theory...) this is one of those 'dirty little secrets' the automotive industry doesn't want to talk about. How on earth could something so common on these cars not be dealt with by Hyundai? They've replaced owners driveshafts, tires, transmissions, transfer cases and rear ends and (eventually) none of these fixes seem permanent. One other thing to contribute is the rubber center bearing support. The used driveshaft I purchased, the center support has sagged considerably, creating more of an angle between the shaft and output flange on the trans. This bends the coupler even more so the flexing during a rotation is amplified.

I've got calls out to manufacturers SGF (who makes our coupler) and Dana Spicer but no one's in a hurry to get back. I'm guessing they won't.
 
dboz1031...

I started a new thread about the flat spotted tire / vibration theory. Look it up. It is not your torque converter.

You may have tires that cause vibration (mine do) but it's not the source of the 29mph issue all of us here are dealing with. It is absolutely in the rear driveshaft. I disconnected it and the vibration is gone.

I am 99% convinced it's the flexible coupler on the back of the trans. Yesterday I swapped that coupler for another used one and the vibration was cut in half. I believe the coupler takes a set when parked overnight (worse the colder it is) and it takes a few miles to 'loosen' it up and then the problem goes away. I also believe this is why replacing the dirveshaft may fix it for a while but it eventually comes back.

I am starting to think (uh, oh... conspiracy theory...) this is one of those 'dirty little secrets' the automotive industry doesn't want to talk about. How on earth could something so common on these cars not be dealt with by Hyundai? They've replaced owners driveshafts, tires, transmissions, transfer cases and rear ends and (eventually) none of these fixes seem permanent. One other thing to contribute is the rubber center bearing support. The used driveshaft I purchased, the center support has sagged considerably, creating more of an angle between the shaft and output flange on the trans. This bends the coupler even more so the flexing during a rotation is amplified.

I've got calls out to manufacturers SGF (who makes our coupler) and Dana Spicer but no one's in a hurry to get back. I'm guessing they won't.
Good read arcman. It makes sense. I use flatstoppers now and what a difference that made for me. I pull out of my driveway. Go 1/8 mile to stop sign then get right up to 70 mph. Those flat spots can shake the car violently for like 6 miles or so. I am sure that other people have other little issues causing vibration. Not discounting that, but the tires play a big part in the grand scheme of things.
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Tires will not make it vibrate at 25MPH, highway speeds yes. I may think about just getting a custom drive shaft made. I have done it before. 100% not the tires with my issues.
 
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Tires will not make it vibrate at 25MPH, highway speeds yes. I may think about just getting a custom drive shaft made. I have done it before. 100% not the tires with my issues.
You are absolutely correct. I often say if I lived back in Jersey the flatspotting would not really bother me. Can't get up past 50mph on them roads. With all the traffic lights and stop signs. Let us know how the new driveshaft works out for you. I am fortunate I suppose for my 15 5.0 has no flutter or driveline vibration. I am sure once the carrier bearing rubber gets weak some problems might arise. Love my Genesis!
 
...I kick myself in the ARSE every day for not buying the Lexus GS...

Lexus cars are excellent. I had an LS460 before I bought my Genesis. This may sound cliche: I hope you resolve your Genesis problem.
 
The Genesis was much quieter. I also thought it looked much better. I think the electronics in the Korean cars blow away the Japanese tech.
 
Flutter at 25 mph-30mph is a well known problem with a well known fix. As mentioned above by others and I, it is the driveshaft/propeller shaft assembly. Attached to this note is my dealer's service record when they replaced my driveshaft and the noise instantly went away.
 

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Yep, had 3 of them so far.
 
I am 99% convinced it's the flexible coupler on the back of the trans.
I think you're onto something here.

So if it warms up, could the part be heated with a torch before driving, to see if there is no flutter?
 
Worth a try. Use a heat gun into a tube with an elbow pointing at the coupler for five minutes or so should warm it considerably. I'll see what I can muster up and give it a shot.
 
Arcman, mate, I'm trying to message you on your wall concerning the catch can. Did you see it on your wall?
 
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