I have to say it, the G70 needs a new transmission ASAP

[ViR]

"Wanting" a better tranny (presumably for track use) doesn't mean it's crap and needs to be replaced ASAP. Don't you see the difference?

It's crap comparing to the competition.
It should be replaced if you want to beat and or be at par with BMW in every category.

 

[Beefer]

Why the FVCK did you buy the G70 !?!?!? Sell your car...buy a BMW...and F the hell off.

 

[canucklehead604]

wonder how the G70's attending this event held up. probably not the most aggressive track day. i'm considering the event this year - thank goodness i don't have the 8AT! they refer to 'sport model cars only', for what it's worth...but many of them are much higher-spec and more track oriented than the G70.

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(there were at least 2 G70's last year, check out the video)

 

[ViR]

Why the FVCK did you buy the G70 !?!?!? Sell your car...buy a BMW...and F the hell off.

I wonder what it's like to be a rude person who can't accept different opinions.. probably hurts inside

 

[OBO]

I wonder what it's like to be a rude person who can't accept different opinions.. probably hurts inside

Hes right man, if you dont truly like g70 head to the bmw dealership ask them you want the bmw 340i and want to trade your g70 for such a insignificant reason.

 

[Jerms3]

I think everyone's forgetting something here (Correct me if I'm wrong). A BMW 340i is about 73K CAD before tax that has all the options the G70 3.3T Sport has, and the Genesis G70 is 58K CAD before tax, you can almost buy another brand new car with the 15K CAD you save. To me the price difference justifies a transmission that isn't GREAT or the BEST, but more like good enough.

Food for thought also, Genesis is Hyundai's new luxury brand, keyword luxury here. For Genesis luxury comes first, sporty comes second, so in terms of luxury, yeah the G70's transmission is great, the car is overall is amazing, it doesn't win Car of the Year by being a mediocre car. Now the "sport" part of the car, its great IMO, but when comparing to others like the M340i, M240i, C43 AMG, performance wise yeah it's not exactly there yet, that I will 100% agree. What makes the G70 so compelling and great is the price point, I've driven a tuned M240i, and I'll be the first to admit the transmission is better, BUT when I saw the price of one with the features the G70 Sport has, it's a no brainer which car I would pick, and that's the G70 3.3T. Call me poor, call me cheap, but the G70 is the best bang for your buck in the Luxury Sports Sedan category for cars.

Also comparing the G70 to the M340i, as much as their competitors, you also need to take into account that the 3-Series is on it's 7th generation, it's had time to grow, to be perfected, and it rightfully has, so you damn well know the car will be a great performing car on the street and on the track. Also it's a BMW, they live, breathe, and bleed motorsport. Even out of the big 3 German automakers (BMW, Mercedes, Audi) they're to me the most "sporty" As for the G70 it's on its first generation (yeah 2022 is "new" but its more of a facelift than anything) the car itself still needs to grow. To expect the G70 to be the best street and track machine right out the gate is a tall order that almost no company has done. Could Genesis have out-sourced their transmission to ZF? Yes for sure, but why would they? Let alone would ZF have given them the transmission to begin with? (from my limited research of vehicles/brands with ZF transmissions, they all have European ties) For a "new" brand with the backing of Hyundai, why wouldn't they want to use a in-house pre-existing transmission that works and is good first, instead of either out-sourcing one and telling everyone hey we're not good enough, or spending millions of dollars to engineer one that might be good? (Look at the flack the MKV Toyota Supra got) Yes, Hyundai has a DCT in the Veloster, but if I'm correct that transmission isn't strong enough to deal with the torque the G70 has, and it's also FWD.

The issue here I think is that the OP and ViR is stating the transmission is crap, or shit, or garbage, or that when you take it to the track it doesn't run. (Don't remind me about the videos that the OP posted in the first few posts) That to me is pure false. I've seen multiple G70's on the track, and even been to an event where they took us out in a G70 on the track, with a Pro driver driving. They said the car was great for what it is. Whether or not they were paid to say that or not who knows but for arguments sake let's say they truly meant it. So clearly the transmission or the car isn't shit, or garbage or doesn't run because there's actual proof that it does run, and perform as it needs. Now is it the best transmission or car for the track? Of course not, an M3, or a Camaro SS, or the M340i etc are/maybe better, but just cause something is better than the other doesn't make said transmission or car "shit". (I'm a mechanic at GM, driven 650HP Z06s, Camaro SS, ZL1, ZL1 1LE's and trust me GM makes sub par "performance" automatics IMO) For example, Chris Harris compared a Mclaren Senna to a Mclaren 650S GT3, 650S GT3 was a better track car because well it was built for the track but so is the Senna. But does this make the Senna shit? or that it has a shit transmission, or that it needs to replaced immediately and that Mclaren made a mistake? No, it's just that the 650S GT3 is 1. built for the track more so than the Senna, and 2. just better. Just because something isn't as good as something doesn't make it shit, or garbage, it's just not as good plain and simple. Is a Corvette shit/crap because it's compared to a LaFerrari? or is a Porsche GT3 Cup Car garbage because it's being compared to a F1 car? I don't think so.

And just to put this in the "argument" uhhhhh.... if we're talking about transmissions and track driving, why are we talking about automatics again? Isn't "manual" king of the track? and automatics are well "shit"?

 

[Shawnl28]

I’m happy with my G70, just think had Hyundai maybe fitted it with say the Veloster’s dual clutch then I’d be happy. This 8 speed that Hyundai developed is really holding that 3.3t’s potential back.

It makes no sense not to put a zf in the g70. It has the perfect balance of performance and daily drive ability. Its called the best transmission ever made for a reason.

 

[FlooF!]

It makes no sense not to put a zf in the g70. It has the perfect balance of performance and daily drive ability. Its called the best transmission ever made for a reason.

Cost and reliability. Hyundai needs to make their 10 year warranty work and that would probably be more expensive with a zf.

 

[csu87]

It makes no sense not to put a zf in the g70. It has the perfect balance of performance and daily drive ability. Its called the best transmission ever made for a reason.

other than cost, reliability, warranty, etc

Genesis is giving out 100k mile warranties. it makes sense theyd use their transmission for their cars than hitch their ride to the ZF. I could be wrong, but I dont think there is any car with a ZF that is warrantied for 100k miles. Not saying the ZF isnt reliable and wont last, but its a cost/risk analysis that is done when deciding which components. Using their in house tranny mitigates some risk, while being able to hit their target price point.

If genesis said, sure, we'll put the zf in the g70, but its gonna cost another 5k or the warranty is reduced to 50k miles, they wouldnt sell as well since their 2 main advantages over the competitors (being cheaper and longer warranty) are no longer a factor.

 

[danielehoff]

I’m sorry you don’t know how transmissions function/operate. Clearly my post didn’t dumb it down for you enough, find a page on Wikipedia or something and have someone hold your hand and read you “word for word” on the information that you clearly don’t know.

May not be the best but miles ahead the q60 and even the RCF, the lexus RC transmission is one to cry about, very sad what they threw in to car at that price.

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[kolme]

This was the weirdest thread I've so far read on this website in like 3 years. If I wanted something with a super awesome transmission so I could track it, then... I would have bought it? Instead I bought a reasonably priced and loaded G70, with a completely acceptable transmission for a sports sedan that gets me to my work, just like the other 99.9% of owners. If you arent happy with the G70, I'd see what you can do on a trade in. No reason to go on unhappy if the car doesn't fit your specific needs.

 

[randomfrequency]

wonder how the G70's attending this event held up. probably not the most aggressive track day. i'm considering the event this year - thank goodness i don't have the 8AT! they refer to 'sport model cars only', for what it's worth...but many of them are much higher-spec and more track oriented than the G70.

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(there were at least 2 G70's last year, check out the video)

There was only one, and that was me.

Car's fine.

 

[randomfrequency]

But yeah.. if you're wanting to do track days, look potentially at another car. If you're wanting to do a track day just for funsies and to push your car hard, you'll be fine. Depending on your model, it's a big heavy car so you'll need to consider that going around corners. Make sure you have really good brakes if you didn't get the sport package.

And be careful on the drive up to the track. My car was fine doing a few laps, but some hard braking on the highway demonstrated some weaknesses on the way up - especially if you end up having to hold your brakes for a while because of slow moving/non-moving traffic after some spirited driving.

 

[canucklehead604]

^ that fade is due to the non-Euro ceramic pads, for all models except the 6MT and US Dynamic trims. you are right, if a guy wants to do even light track duty, a swap to the Euro or other similar semi-metallic pads is a must. C&D also found this out during their Lightning Lap a few years back, with both the Stinger and G70.

 

[randomfrequency]

Have the 3.3 sport package with those brakes, the brake issues were something else. Probably need to go get my rotors checked. Don't really want to get into details in a public forum.

 

[canucklehead604]

interesting tidbit of transmission info. Hyundai builds their own gearboxes, as we know, but wiki shows the power rating:

for the 8AT (oddly, the 4-cyl slushbox rating is 289lb-ft but the 2.5T is well over 300 lb-ft. and, the 6-cyl box is also used on the 3.5T with over 390 lb-ft. i guess they are under-rated...):



and for the 6MT:

 

[Husky]

That's not particularly confidence inspiring. That's why I wonder about the longevity of the modified cars that are putting out an extra 50-100 HP/lb-ft, especially with a TCU tune to shift harder/faster.
I wonder what the published ratings are for the ZF tranny that BMW and others use?

 

[MrMegadeth]

It's Wikipedia... Give me 10 minutes I'll change that.

 

[Husky]

That's not particularly confidence inspiring. That's why I wonder about the longevity of the modified cars that are putting out an extra 50-100 HP/lb-ft, especially with a TCU tune to shift harder/faster.
I wonder what the published ratings are for the ZF tranny that BMW and others use?

The Google says the ZF is rated for up to 1000N-m, so about double the Hyundai unit. (I also saw a number of 770N-m, but still...)

 

[Slip_Angle]

If these specs were accurate, 80% of Stinger and G70 3.3T transmissions would have long been blown. There are just way too many people running 500-600+ ft/lbs plus brake snip and TCU tunes. The odd one does blow but it's almost always in extreme circumstances.