Genesis GV70 Reviews

[achohan91]

What's really ironic is that BMW is under tons of scrutiny in South Korea right now for spontaneous combustion (not recalls, actual documented cases of fires) and recently had their Korean department raided by police.

Prosecutors raid BMW Korea over suspected cover-up of fire-prone engines | Yonhap News Agency

SEOUL, Sept. 16 (Yonhap) -- Prosecutors on Wednesday raided BMW Korea's office and se...

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Of course this guy doesn't want to talk about it, he's too busy trying to convince his viewers that a used BMW 7 Series is a great investment!

Thanks for sharing this, 7 series and good investment in one sentence is quite funny!

 

[achohan91]

The engines that have issues were the old Theta II batch, not the Smartstream. The Smartstream 2.5 mention in this video has been in the Sonata since 2020 without any major issues.

From what I'm reading, that channel has a pretty terrible reputation for making stuff up. It's more junk like Insa-K and Autopost, which basically cash in on German car fanboys by making crap up about domestic Korean brands and often tend to label accidents as actual defects. In fact they got to taken to court for slander because of this...

https://namu.wiki/w/%EB%B0%95%EB%B3%91%EC%9D%BC%EC%9D%98%20%EB%AA%85%EC%9E%A5%EB%B3%B8%EC%83%89

I hope so, I am still leaning towards 2.5T Genesis, really love the shape and interior.

 

[DogtorM]

I went from a 2018 BMW X4 M40i with 550hp and the only thing better on the BMW was the power/exhaust sound. The Genesis slays it as far as ride quality, handling, interior quality, sound system, comfort, features, cosmetics. Hopefully once there are a little more advanced JB4 maps as people continue to modify and test and once I get rid of the cats and some fine tuning it'll be close power wise.

 

[YEH]

This is good to know. Between X3 2022 and GV70, you think GV70 will have better resale value after 5 years?

#1 factor for resale value is ATP (how close the ATP is to the average MSRP).

#2 is demand on the used market.

The Kia Telluride does stellar on both accounts, which is why it's #1 fir resale value (not counting supercars and high performance variants).

The GV70 is doing pretty well with regard to #1 and think it will do the same for #2.

Maybe not quite reach Telluride level, but should be a good bit better than the X3 (even more so at yr 5 which is over the warranty period for the BMW)

 

[Etex]

I highly recommend folks actually watch the 2 previous videos by Master Park Byung-il, then watch this one for a clearer understanding of the chain of events regarding the Smartstream 2.5 engines oil & carbon buildup issues. The turbo versions have a more correct to original design construction so as not to impede or misdirect oil flow. Also note the placement of ring spacing from the top of piston. Thereby, the application in the Genesis line (being the turbo) should not suffer as the other botched improvement will in the non-turbo version.

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[spiritamokk]

#1 factor for resale value is ATP (how close the ATP is to the average MSRP).

#2 is demand on the used market.

The Kia Telluride does stellar on both accounts, which is why it's #1 fir resale value (not counting supercars and high performance variants).

The GV70 is doing pretty well with regard to #1 and think it will do the same for #2.

Maybe not quite reach Telluride level, but should be a good bit better than the X3 (even more so at yr 5 which is over the warranty period for the BMW)

I was looking into this I can't find information to confirm better depreciation value on Kia Telluride. After 5 years it only worth 47.68% of its initial value KIA Telluride Depreciation

When Ford Explorer hold better value of 49.37%

Ford Explorer Depreciation

Drive a new Ford Explorer off the lot, and it will lose over a quarter of its value in the first two years. The Explorer has been a mainstay on the road for decades, and there are a ton of them in the marketplace. The healthy supply keeps a lid on resale values, as you can always find another...

caredge.com

and Lexus RX whopping 61.51%
Lexus RX 350 Depreciation

 

[Backslack]

I was looking into this I can't find information to confirm better depreciation value on Kia Telluride. After 5 years it only worth 47.68% of its initial value KIA Telluride Depreciation

When Ford Explorer hold better value of 49.37%

Ford Explorer Depreciation

Drive a new Ford Explorer off the lot, and it will lose over a quarter of its value in the first two years. The Explorer has been a mainstay on the road for decades, and there are a ton of them in the marketplace. The healthy supply keeps a lid on resale values, as you can always find another...

caredge.com

and Lexus RX whopping 61.51%
Lexus RX 350 Depreciation

IIRC Caredge bases their resale value predictions mostly on residuals. As a brand, Kia and the Koreans have pretty low residual values, which is why their lease rates aren't as much of a bargain as the Germans.

Of course residuals don't correlate to resale, which is why BMW resale is godawful despite having fairly high residuals (which they, like most German brands artificially inflate).

 

[TBickell]

#1 factor for resale value is ATP (how close the ATP is to the average MSRP).

#2 is demand on the used market.

The Kia Telluride does stellar on both accounts, which is why it's #1 fir resale value (not counting supercars and high performance variants).

The GV70 is doing pretty well with regard to #1 and think it will do the same for #2.

Maybe not quite reach Telluride level, but should be a good bit better than the X3 (even more so at yr 5 which is over the warranty period for the BMW)

I was poking around over at the BMW forum and guys are sharing lease information. BMW can get pretty aggressive with leases and apparently are offering some 4-7% discounts off MSRP on the new 2022 X3 models. Residual on one M340i was 54% which is lower that my GV70 which was figured at 61% so that'a interesting. Many people including reviewers have long considered BMW's a great vehicle ( I agree) but one that you lease always. Once out of warranty they can cost a lot of money when things like window lifts start to go. Ask me how I know...

 

[spiritamokk]

I was poking around over at the BMW forum and guys are sharing lease information. BMW can get pretty aggressive with leases and apparently are offering some 4-7% discounts off MSRP on the new 2022 X3 models. Residual on one M340i was 54% which is lower that my GV70 which was figured at 61% so that'a interesting. Many people including reviewers have long considered BMW's a great vehicle ( I agree) but one that you lease always. Once out of warranty they can cost a lot of money when things like window lifts start to go. Ask me how I know...

Please stop I'm still in-between those two and you are not making it easier. If 2022 X3 M40i model finally makes good ventilated bolstered sits that might tip the scales for me to lease it

 

[Wj100]

I went from a 2018 BMW X4 M40i with 550hp and the only thing better on the BMW was the power/exhaust sound. The Genesis slays it as far as ride quality, handling, interior quality, sound system, comfort, features, cosmetics. Hopefully once there are a little more advanced JB4 maps as people continue to modify and test and once I get rid of the cats and some fine tuning it'll be close power wise.

I'm surprised to hear you think the handling is better on the GV70? I'm still cross shopping the GV70 3.5 SP vs the X3 M40i and I think the handling on the BMW is superior (as is the powertrain). But, just about in all other categories I prefer the Genesis.

This has become a tougher decision than I expected...and kudos to Genesis for building a contender.

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[YEH]

I was looking into this I can't find information to confirm better depreciation value on Kia Telluride. After 5 years it only worth 47.68% of its initial value KIA Telluride Depreciation

When Ford Explorer hold better value of 49.37%

Ford Explorer Depreciation

Drive a new Ford Explorer off the lot, and it will lose over a quarter of its value in the first two years. The Explorer has been a mainstay on the road for decades, and there are a ton of them in the marketplace. The healthy supply keeps a lid on resale values, as you can always find another...

caredge.com

and Lexus RX whopping 61.51%
Lexus RX 350 Depreciation

The Telluride was awarded KBB's resale value award for 3-row SUVs.

https://www.kbb.com/best-cars/best-resale-value-three-row-midsize-suv/

Think their 47% prediction is low.

There are heavily used Tellurides (2.5 yrs old with 40-50k mi going for near MSRP).

Those with fewer mi are going for over MSRP (keep on mind that it's the higher trims that are in greatest demand).

There were dealerships buying up used Tellurides from other regions and would tack on the cost/transport and a nice profit margin and they would still sell (and this was before the chip shortage).

Also tops iseecars' list of used prices being higher than new.

Top 14 Cars That Cost More Used Than New, Even as Used Car Prices Decline - iSeeCars.com

The average lightly used car costs 8.1 percent less than its new counterpart, but several used hybrid and specialized models are priced above their new car...

www.iseecars.com

The ATP for new Tellurides is artificially low as a good # of buyers (buying the top trims) opt to order from a dealer selling at MSRP and wait 5-6 month (wait used to be as much as a year) rather than pay a $5-15k mark-up.

Those who had done so have made a killing selling their used Tellurides (making $$ on the deal), getting a new and/or higher trim Telluride as a replacement.

 

[TBickell]

I'm surprised to hear you think the handling is better on the GV70? I'm still cross shopping the GV70 3.5 SP vs the X3 M40i and I think the handling on the BMW is superior (as is the powertrain). But, just about in all other categories I prefer the Genesis.

This has become a tougher decision than I expected...and kudos to Genesis for building a contender.

It's a tough call between the two. I had the same issue. I eliminated the SQ5 and the GLC43 as both of those, while good vehicles, are long in the tooth and going to be redone soon. I looked for a minute at the Jaguar F-pace but thought the ride was too harsh and it just didn't feel all that special to me at the wheel.

Bottom line is the GV70 ( in top trim) is beautiful and fresh inside and out. It has a higher feel of overall refined quality over the M340i and for now is unique on the road as there are not dozens in every parking lot. Power is very strong but comes on smoother and not as "fun" as that wonderful set up in the M340i. That in-line 6 with the ZF 8 speed is tough to beat.

The BMW handles better and has a better drive train from an enthusiast stand point. It's more of a sports car experience. The 2022 mid cycle refresh added some interior and exterior stying that some like and some don't but it's basically the same car. Even in top trim it is not as luxurious to me as the GV70. Still nice though. My issue was it's hard to find one on the lot with vented seats as that is a stand alone option and I didn't want to order and wait.

Bottom line is if you want the "badge" and the more sporty driving experience get the BMW. If you don't care about the badge and want something different that leans towards high end luxury while still being damn quick then get the GV70

 

[PetevB]

A new review from Australia. The pricing comparisons will be less relevant for most here, but their driving impressions resonated with me, especially handling mid-corner bumps, etc. I also expect the slow times are partly down to miles- my example is getting noticeably quicker with 1500+ miles on it.

PD

 

[YEH]

Yeah, a bunch of Aussie reviews are up (for those who care)...

Tom gives a pretty in depth overview of the difference in the 2 suspension/tire setups for Australia.

 

[spiritamokk]

Yeah, a bunch of Aussie reviews are up (for those who care)...

Tom gives a pretty in depth overview of the difference in the 2 suspension/tire setups for Australia.

How the hell Aussies are getting quilted leather sits in the top 3.5T trim and we in US getting shitty impractical suede inserts That is not fair!

 

[achohan91]

How the hell Aussies are getting quilted leather sits in the top 3.5T trip and we in US getting shitty suede inserts That is not fair!

Seriously, there is something off putting on each trim!!

 

[zepj19]

I am not a german fanboy! Infact I have never owned a german vehicle before, This is why I have been researching about both cars and this came up and hence I shared it to get some thoughts. It looks like people like you take things quite personally.

I think he was referring to the guy in the video

 

[TBickell]

Please stop I'm still in-between those two and you are not making it easier. If 2022 X3 M40i model finally makes good ventilated bolstered sits that might tip the scales for me to lease it

Good luck finding one with vented seats unless you order it that way. They are not included in their premium package and I have heard the seats themselves are totally different and not great. That was a deal killer for me here in Arizona..

 

[TBickell]

Yeah, a bunch of Aussie reviews are up (for those who care)...

Tom gives a pretty in depth overview of the difference in the 2 suspension/tire setups for Australia.

Pretty good review all though hard to watch with the steering wheel on the wrong side or the car. I would love for someone high up in any car company to explain to me why different countries get different trim set ups and features. I get the diesel thing but the rest makes no sense. I would think it would be so much more costly for them to have to build totally different trims.

Also why does the Canadian version get more terrain drive modes ( mud, sand etc) Snow mode is enough in he states and one would think that would be enough for Canada but not the case.

Since Australia is locked down under Marshal Law due to covid I'm surprised they let this guy out of the house to do this review.

 

[John Baxter]

How the hell Aussies are getting quilted leather sits in the top 3.5T trim and we in US getting shitty impractical suede inserts That is not fair!

It pretty much known via multiple posts here the US cars are really down spec compared to the international cars. I guess your price point dictates the features you have received.

Other Aust reviews:

Great to see some finally appearing...

"The sheer value for money blows everything else out of water. This doesn’t cut corners though. The fit and finish, quality of materials, attention to detail, and application of technology is either at the same level (or higher) as what any of the best rivals present.

Our recommendation is to go with the grain of the philosophy and opt for the base 2.5T. You still get pretty much everything that’s offered with the 3.5T, or at least all of the important stuff and ample garnishes, but you’ll save money on fuel and really capitalise in the value proposition. Going for the entry model also brings it under the revised luxury car tax threshold.

Welcome to the new smart buyer’s luxury mid-size SUV."

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