GV70 - honest discussion

[Backslack]

I traded a 2020 Hyundai Palisade Limited for a 2.5 Sport Prestige.
The Palisade had content that exceeded the GV70. As an example full digital gage cluster and HUD, Napa leather, charging ports in seat backs, rear heated and cooled seats.Somehow I think they overdid the content on the under $50k Palisade and shorted the content on the $55k GV70.

You get more luxury features in the Palisade to make up for the fact that it's a basic FWD platform shared with the last-gen Sonata. It is unfortunate that Genesis doesn't offer a-la-carte options like most of the Germans, but comparing a Palisade to any other car in this segment makes zero sense. Good luck finding cooled rear seats on any X3, Q5, or GLC.

 

[FLtime]

You get more luxury features in the Palisade to make up for the fact that it's a basic FWD platform shared with the last-gen Sonata. It is unfortunate that Genesis doesn't offer a-la-carte options like most of the Germans, but comparing a Palisade to any other car in this segment makes zero sense. Good luck finding cooled rear seats on any X3, Q5, or GLC.

The Palisade has a naturally aspirated V6, with FWD and AWD options. It may not have the looks or speed of a GV70, but you get an amazing bang for your buck in terms of luxury features. I do agree - if the GV70 allowed me to pick and add features to certain trim levels, or if they had all of these features across the trim levels, I probably would have already ordered one!

 

[TBickell]

You get more luxury features in the Palisade to make up for the fact that it's a basic FWD platform shared with the last-gen Sonata. It is unfortunate that Genesis doesn't offer a-la-carte options like most of the Germans, but comparing a Palisade to any other car in this segment makes zero sense. Good luck finding cooled rear seats on any X3, Q5, or GLC.

Good luck finding cooled FRONT seats on any X3, Q5 or GLC. Unless special ordered it't not happening and dealers never check that box for cars they order or just get.

 

[Backslack]

The Palisade has a naturally aspirated V6, with FWD and AWD options. It may not have the looks or speed of a GV70, but you get an amazing bang for your buck in terms of luxury features. I do agree - if the GV70 allowed me to pick and add features to certain trim levels, or if they had all of these features across the trim levels, I probably would have already ordered one!

Palisade's V6 is ancient and less powerful than the turbo 4 in the GV70, and the basic slip-n-grip Haldex AWD in the Palisade is a joke compared to the abilities of the RWD-biased AWD system on the GV70, especially when equipped with the LSD. Aside from offering more space and features at a lower cost, the Palisade doesn't come close to the driving capabilities of a GV70.

 

[Defiant888]

I really wanted the Sport Advance trim, but I didn't like any of the colors available for that trim when I bought my 3.5T GV70. I REALLY wanted the Himalayan Gray, and would have settle for the red or silver, both were not available in the SA trim, only white, and I just got out of a white Mercedes GLC 300, and while nice, it was way too "soccer mom" for me. But after spending about a month in my Sport package, it is way more than enough. I actually like the red and black leather mesh seats as they offer a sportier look. The turn siganl camera was cool and all but not $5k cool. And the 360 camera would have been nicer if it showed the color of your specific vehicle, but the only Sport Advance available was white, so i guess it did match that one lol. The only thing I feel like I'm missing out on is the 17 speaker Lexicon, but the 9 speaker system sounds amazing already, and Id rather spend that 5k on a home theater system, if I didn't already have a $5k home theater system. The most important thing to me is getting the color option I wanted. For instance, I was originally looking at a sports sedan like the OP, the Acura TLX Type S. But I only like it in the Apex Blue color. And the only one my dealer had was just a demo vehicle and already spoken for, and that turned out to be a blessing bc I ended up getting my GV70. And you get a lot more vehicle and interior luxuries for roughly the same price of $54.4k msrp. I really liked the burgundy color too, but they only had that for the 2.5t model at my dealership, and wasn't feeling that 2 spoke steering wheel. Some ppl like it, but its not for me.
And I also added aftermarket Niche wheels to my GV70 3.5T, and have an appointment to get my brake calipers painted metallic copper. It's gonna look great, to me at least, and that's all that matters in the end.

 

[EnigmaDC]

I really wanted the Sport Advance trim, but I didn't like any of the colors available for that trim when I bought my 3.5T GV70. I REALLY wanted the Himalayan Gray, and would have settle for the red or silver, both were not available in the SA trim, only white, and I just got out of a white Mercedes GLC 300, and while nice, it was way too "soccer mom" for me. But after spending about a month in my Sport package, it is way more than enough. I actually like the red and black leather mesh seats as they offer a sportier look. The turn siganl camera was cool and all but not $5k cool. And the 360 camera would have been nicer if it showed the color of your specific vehicle, but the only Sport Advance available was white, so i guess it did match that one lol. The only thing I feel like I'm missing out on is the 17 speaker Lexicon, but the 9 speaker system sounds amazing already, and Id rather spend that 5k on a home theater system, if I didn't already have a $5k home theater system. The most important thing to me is getting the color option I wanted. For instance, I was originally looking at a sports sedan like the OP, the Acura TLX Type S. But I only like it in the Apex Blue color. And the only one my dealer had was just a demo vehicle and already spoken for, and that turned out to be a blessing bc I ended up getting my GV70. And you get a lot more vehicle and interior luxuries for roughly the same price of $54.4k msrp. I really liked the burgundy color too, but they only had that for the 2.5t model at my dealership, and wasn't feeling that 2 spoke steering wheel. Some ppl like it, but its not for me.
And I also added aftermarket Niche wheels to my GV70 3.5T, and have an appointment to get my brake calipers painted metallic copper. It's gonna look great, to me at least, and that's all that matters in the end.

Post pics please! And once the brakes get done.

 

[Rick5086]

You get more luxury features in the Palisade to make up for the fact that it's a basic FWD platform shared with the last-gen Sonata. It is unfortunate that Genesis doesn't offer a-la-carte options like most of the Germans, but comparing a Palisade to any other car in this segment makes zero sense. Good luck finding cooled rear seats on any X3, Q5, or GLC.

Agreed that they are two different vehicles. The Palisade is a family hauler, and the GV70 is not. My only reason for the comment is that I would expect the starting point for Genesis content would at least be the content available on their lower end Hyundai brand that is standard in the Sonata and Palisade models.
I am not comparing the technical specs of the two models, just content.

 

[achohan91]

I really wanted the Sport Advance trim, but I didn't like any of the colors available for that trim when I bought my 3.5T GV70. I REALLY wanted the Himalayan Gray, and would have settle for the red or silver, both were not available in the SA trim, only white, and I just got out of a white Mercedes GLC 300, and while nice, it was way too "soccer mom" for me. But after spending about a month in my Sport package, it is way more than enough. I actually like the red and black leather mesh seats as they offer a sportier look. The turn siganl camera was cool and all but not $5k cool. And the 360 camera would have been nicer if it showed the color of your specific vehicle, but the only Sport Advance available was white, so i guess it did match that one lol. The only thing I feel like I'm missing out on is the 17 speaker Lexicon, but the 9 speaker system sounds amazing already, and Id rather spend that 5k on a home theater system, if I didn't already have a $5k home theater system. The most important thing to me is getting the color option I wanted. For instance, I was originally looking at a sports sedan like the OP, the Acura TLX Type S. But I only like it in the Apex Blue color. And the only one my dealer had was just a demo vehicle and already spoken for, and that turned out to be a blessing bc I ended up getting my GV70. And you get a lot more vehicle and interior luxuries for roughly the same price of $54.4k msrp. I really liked the burgundy color too, but they only had that for the 2.5t model at my dealership, and wasn't feeling that 2 spoke steering wheel. Some ppl like it, but its not for me.
And I also added aftermarket Niche wheels to my GV70 3.5T, and have an appointment to get my brake calipers painted metallic copper. It's gonna look great, to me at least, and that's all that matters in the end.

This is what I was thinking as well. Base 3.5 or the 2.5 Select GV70. Only kicker is lack of Lexicon Speaker System on the Base 3.5.

Have you heard both systems? Also please tell me how you feel about audio system on the base 3.5?

 

[TBickell]

I just took a drive in my friends 2020 BMW X3 30i ( 4 cylinder turbo). I tested the handling and power to try and compare to the GV70. I have to say that little turbo does a commendable job in getting off the line but there is the inevitable 4 cylinder gruff noise under hard acceleration. No contest of course between that and the 3.5 TT in my GV70 bit that was not the point. Handling is more crisp and sharp but the ride was much rougher and he has the stock 19" wheels and tires. Yes it corners flatter and feels more " connected" but honestly between the firm ride and the way too firm seats ( he actually got vented seats but they are firmer than standard BMW seats) I found it to be not as comfortable as the GV70. More of a difference than I thought it would be. It also felt smaller even though it is not.

Just some thoughts for those that are comparing and deciding..

 

[Jupen21]

Does anyone think the 3.5 models will have more reliability issues than 2.5 models simply because of the twin turbos? Having a tough time deciding between the two. Thinking of buying instead of leasing

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[Defiant888]

This is what I was thinking as well. Base 3.5 or the 2.5 Select GV70. Only kicker is lack of Lexicon Speaker System on the Base 3.5.

Have you heard both systems? Also please tell me how you feel about audio system on the base 3.5?

I haven't heard the Lexicon, but theb9 speaker system is more than enough for me, and an upgrade from the Toyota Tacoma Trd Sport that I was coming from. Overall, at roughly the same price point, I'd take the extra power and the sportier trim. The "grandpa" steering wheel on the 2.5t is a huge deal breaker from me. I can understand how some people could like it though, it is retro. But I wanted a sportier steering wheel since that is what you will be staring at the most while driving. Kind of wish it was a flat bottom wheel, but that's not as big a deal.

 

[Defiant888]

Does anyone think the 3.5 models will have more reliability issues than 2.5 models simply because of the twin turbos? Having a tough time deciding between the two. Thinking of buying instead of leasing

Well if it does, you have the 5 year bumper to bumper, and 10 year powertrain warranty to fall back on, and I don't see myself keeping for longer than 5 years anyway.

 

[Defiant888]

I just took a drive in my friends 2020 BMW X3 30i ( 4 cylinder turbo). I tested the handling and power to try and compare to the GV70. I have to say that little turbo does a commendable job in getting off the line but there is the inevitable 4 cylinder gruff noise under hard acceleration. No contest of course between that and the 3.5 TT in my GV70 bit that was not the point. Handling is more crisp and sharp but the ride was much rougher and he has the stock 19" wheels and tires. Yes it corners flatter and feels more " connected" but honestly between the firm ride and the way too firm seats ( he actually got vented seats but they are firmer than standard BMW seats) I found it to be not as comfortable as the GV70. More of a difference than I thought it would be. It also felt smaller even though it is not.

Just some thoughts for those that are comparing and deciding..

I also test drove the X3, but at the end of the day, I'm buying and not leasing this time around. That Genesis warranty is untouchable, and given all the issues I had on my BMW 650i after the 5 year maintenance ended, I'm weary of ever buying a BMW again. Also, to me the GV70 is a much more aesthetically beautiful vehicle from front to back. Plus you won't so nearly as many on the road for a while which I like. I've already got a bunch of compliments on it and even caught a guy taking pictures of it while I was in a store. Also the interior of the GV70 is unique and Ive never seen anything like it before. The BMW interior has almost become the standard for multiple car makers. On the one side, that just shows that they did a great job on it, but on the other side, I want something different and love the red and black color scheme of my GV70. The only knock I had was the stock 19" wheels, but I fixed that issue already. Cant wait to get my brake calipers painted burnt copper.

 

[Defiant888]

Good luck finding cooled FRONT seats on any X3, Q5 or GLC. Unless special ordered it't not happening and dealers never check that box for cars they order or just get.

Not to mention massaging front driver seat.

 

[Defiant888]

Palisade's V6 is ancient and less powerful than the turbo 4 in the GV70, and the basic slip-n-grip Haldex AWD in the Palisade is a joke compared to the abilities of the RWD-biased AWD system on the GV70, especially when equipped with the LSD. Aside from offering more space and features at a lower cost, the Palisade doesn't come close to the driving capabilities of a GV70.

The Pallisade should be compared to the GV80, this is the wrong forum.

 

[ottawa]

Except if it's what people _are_ comparing to the GV70, perhaps this is the right forum?

I didn't look at the Palisade, I rejected it on size and compared the 21 Santa Fe and 22 Tucson. Wasn't excited by the SF but I did really like the Tucson (top trim, called Ultimate Hybrid up here). If we weren't splurging and deciding not to care (too much) about the price, it would be a tough decision as the Tucson is >C$20000 cheaper MSRP than the top GV70 2.5T trim (even after the inflated dealer costs on the Tucson, vs. $0 on the GV70).

Coming to this process as a Subaru owner since 2005, I really expected to land on another Outback, at higher trim than before and with more tech 2 generations later. But I've been disappointed in the Gen 6 (2020+ MY) Outback since I first saw it in late 2019, and even now I find the technology dated vs GV70 and Tucson, and the implementation of the newer technology not to my taste (e.g. the 11" touchscreen pointed up at the sunroof, lack of physical controls, etc.).

I don't know how I'll feel with all the inputs being thrown at me by the GV70, and I may turn many of them off when possible (I forced myself to ignore them during test drive as I couldn't process them fast enough). I do know I'll be unhappy at the max cargo space (GV70=1611L; Tucson=2108L; Outback=2144L). I set my minimum acceptable at 1800L (63cf) when I started but lowered for the GV70 because it was so attractive. The numbers are of course not meaningful in themselves though good for comparison of vehicle vs vehicle. And e.g. the 511L between GV70 and Outback is 125 4-litre bags of milk or about 150 US-gallon jugs, that's a lot of cargo to be left behind on our usual road trip home with every nook and cranny filled in the Outback). I have an order in for a GV70 (who knows when it will arrive), I think the only thing that would dissuade me would be for (a) a (hypothetical) Subaru Forester to be announced with a more powerful engine and fancier top trim; or (b) maybe a 2022 CR-V with fantastic technology.

I suppose there aren't many people cross-shopping the GV70 against Foresters and Tucsons, but we worked our way up the food chain, from Subaru's offerings (Forester and Outback) and the competition, then up through Genesis, Lexus, Acura, and so on. We landed (so far) on the GV70.

 

[Backslack]

The only thing a Palisade and GV70 have in common is being crossovers sold by Hyundai. Both vehicles serve completely different purposes. It makes about as much sense to compare the two as comparing a Range Rover Velar to a Land Rover Defender.

 

[Defiant888]

Except if it's what people _are_ comparing to the GV70, perhaps this is the right forum?

I didn't look at the Palisade, I rejected it on size and compared the 21 Santa Fe and 22 Tucson. Wasn't excited by the SF but I did really like the Tucson (top trim, called Ultimate Hybrid up here). If we weren't splurging and deciding not to care (too much) about the price, it would be a tough decision as the Tucson is >C$20000 cheaper MSRP than the top GV70 2.5T trim (even after the inflated dealer costs on the Tucson, vs. $0 on the GV70).

Coming to this process as a Subaru owner since 2005, I really expected to land on another Outback, at higher trim than before and with more tech 2 generations later. But I've been disappointed in the Gen 6 (2020+ MY) Outback since I first saw it in late 2019, and even now I find the technology dated vs GV70 and Tucson, and the implementation of the newer technology not to my taste (e.g. the 11" touchscreen pointed up at the sunroof, lack of physical controls, etc.).

I don't know how I'll feel with all the inputs being thrown at me by the GV70, and I may turn many of them off when possible (I forced myself to ignore them during test drive as I couldn't process them fast enough). I do know I'll be unhappy at the max cargo space (GV70=1611L; Tucson=2108L; Outback=2144L). I set my minimum acceptable at 1800L (63cf) when I started but lowered for the GV70 because it was so attractive. The numbers are of course not meaningful in themselves though good for comparison of vehicle vs vehicle. And e.g. the 511L between GV70 and Outback is 125 4-litre bags of milk or about 150 US-gallon jugs, that's a lot of cargo to be left behind on our usual road trip home with every nook and cranny filled in the Outback). I have an order in for a GV70 (who knows when it will arrive), I think the only thing that would dissuade me would be for (a) a (hypothetical) Subaru Forester to be announced with a more powerful engine and fancier top trim; or (b) maybe a 2022 CR-V with fantastic technology.

I suppose there aren't many people cross-shopping the GV70 against Foresters and Tucsons, but we worked our way up the food chain, from Subaru's offerings (Forester and Outback) and the competition, then up through Genesis, Lexus, Acura, and so on. We landed (so far) on the GV70.

Hey good for you man. The Gv70 is a gorgeous vehicle. I was just saying the Palisade is more comparable to the Gv80 in storage space. The GV70 seems like a much more fun ride though. I haven't driven the Palisade or GV80 to make a proper comparison. Congrats on working up the chain for your vehicle. Im sure you deserved it man. If you do decide on the GV70 3.5tt, I think you will love it. I actually went from shopping a 4 door sports sedan to a GV70 lol

 

[jgibson146]

Just traded my 2020 G80 sport in for the GV70 "compact SUV", but the GV70 is actually wider by almost an inch. Thought It would be easier to park, but only in length I guess.

 

[ottawa]

Hey good for you man. The Gv70 is a gorgeous vehicle. I was just saying the Palisade is more comparable to the Gv80 in storage space. The GV70 seems like a much more fun ride though. I haven't driven the Palisade or GV80 to make a proper comparison. Congrats on working up the chain for your vehicle. Im sure you deserved it man. If you do decide on the GV70 3.5tt, I think you will love it. I actually went from shopping a 4 door sports sedan to a GV70 lol

Thanks, and hope I didn't sound defensive, I agree no one _should_ be starting out comparing Palisade and GV70. I was trying to make the point that people come into this from some very strange or counter-intuitive positions (including my own). GV70 should not be a candidate (too little cargo capacity in specs). I blame YouTube for my ordering a GV70.

My point of reference starting this process was the 2022 Outback Premier (US=Touring, Gen 6, top of the top). Coming from an older (Gen 4) Outback Convenience (Lowest of the Low). Started a spreadsheet with all the important (to me) specs off the website for both the 2022 and my old one, and added the Forester since I had one before (the old little one, with a turbo -- 1450kg/3200lb and 210HP ). For completeness I went through all the manufacturers to see what they had in competition (every mainstream manufacturer will have at least one vehicle that competes with Forester, and one that competes with Outback, apart from the latter being a wagon not a CUV).

I set myself boundaries of maximum length (very slightly longer than the Outback, which is as long as I like) and minimum cargo (somewhat less than Outback, since on our trip home from vacation each year is absolutely jammed full, including stuff laid out around the spare tire). So for some vehicles I didn't even include them in the spreadsheet, and for some I marked them doubtful. The specs ruled out (subject to a sit-in) a lot of vehicles. All (or almost all, I forget) 3-row SUVs were simply too big (including Subaru Ascent). Some 5-seaters had way too little cargo capacity (GV70 is one of those and wasn't on the list). I almost didn't include Hyundai at all, because we were seriously unimpressed the 2 previous times we looked at cars. But then I saw a 5min video from driving.ca raving about the 2022 Tucson (because they all rave about pretty much every new vehicle, they know which side their bread's buttered on and who's buttering it) so I added Tucson and Santa Fe.

Sitting (no test drive) eliminated more vehicles and revealed some weirdness. For example, Tucson is still smaller than Santa Fe (but not by much). But it's much more comfortable. Tight, but it feels cozy not cramped. Maybe I just want to like it. Santa Fe is wider and 4mm lower ground clearance, but was harder to get into and out of, especially for the family member who uses a walker or cane. We had a similar experience with Outback vs Forester, the former is more comfortable to sit in, but because it's wider the seat is further from the edge of the car, which is a problem for those with mobility issues). Sat in an Acura RDX and it felt cramped, partly the shape of the seat (perhaps the sides of the horizontal part come up too much). I should go back and try Acura, Lexus and Infiniti again, but not inspired to. I think the GV70's design just feels too good.

My shortlist right now is GV70 2.5T, Outback, Tucson, all at top trims not because I want to spend extra but for specific features that each only offers at that point. The GV70 is the outlier here, not because of price (though it is more expensive, and other others are within $3K of each other after taxes and everything) but because it's lacking both cargo and rear legroom, which together give it less max cargo space (rear seats down) than my desired minimum. I may come to regret it but I hope it will be balanced by all the time I don't regret it.