GV70 - honest discussion

[FLtime]

Thanks, and hope I didn't sound defensive, I agree no one _should_ be starting out comparing Palisade and GV70. I was trying to make the point that people come into this from some very strange or counter-intuitive positions (including my own). GV70 should not be a candidate (too little cargo capacity in specs). I blame YouTube for my ordering a GV70.

My point of reference starting this process was the 2022 Outback Premier (US=Touring, Gen 6, top of the top). Coming from an older (Gen 4) Outback Convenience (Lowest of the Low). Started a spreadsheet with all the important (to me) specs off the website for both the 2022 and my old one, and added the Forester since I had one before (the old little one, with a turbo -- 1450kg/3200lb and 210HP ). For completeness I went through all the manufacturers to see what they had in competition (every mainstream manufacturer will have at least one vehicle that competes with Forester, and one that competes with Outback, apart from the latter being a wagon not a CUV).

I set myself boundaries of maximum length (very slightly longer than the Outback, which is as long as I like) and minimum cargo (somewhat less than Outback, since on our trip home from vacation each year is absolutely jammed full, including stuff laid out around the spare tire). So for some vehicles I didn't even include them in the spreadsheet, and for some I marked them doubtful. The specs ruled out (subject to a sit-in) a lot of vehicles. All (or almost all, I forget) 3-row SUVs were simply too big (including Subaru Ascent). Some 5-seaters had way too little cargo capacity (GV70 is one of those and wasn't on the list). I almost didn't include Hyundai at all, because we were seriously unimpressed the 2 previous times we looked at cars. But then I saw a 5min video from driving.ca raving about the 2022 Tucson (because they all rave about pretty much every new vehicle, they know which side their bread's buttered on and who's buttering it) so I added Tucson and Santa Fe.

Sitting (no test drive) eliminated more vehicles and revealed some weirdness. For example, Tucson is still smaller than Santa Fe (but not by much). But it's much more comfortable. Tight, but it feels cozy not cramped. Maybe I just want to like it. Santa Fe is wider and 4mm lower ground clearance, but was harder to get into and out of, especially for the family member who uses a walker or cane. We had a similar experience with Outback vs Forester, the former is more comfortable to sit in, but because it's wider the seat is further from the edge of the car, which is a problem for those with mobility issues). Sat in an Acura RDX and it felt cramped, partly the shape of the seat (perhaps the sides of the horizontal part come up too much). I should go back and try Acura, Lexus and Infiniti again, but not inspired to. I think the GV70's design just feels too good.

My shortlist right now is GV70 2.5T, Outback, Tucson, all at top trims not because I want to spend extra but for specific features that each only offers at that point. The GV70 is the outlier here, not because of price (though it is more expensive, and other others are within $3K of each other after taxes and everything) but because it's lacking both cargo and rear legroom, which together give it less max cargo space (rear seats down) than my desired minimum. I may come to regret it but I hope it will be balanced by all the time I don't regret it.

What did you think of the Santa Fe Calligraphy overall? I know you said it was harder to get in and out of, compared to the Tucson - but what did you think about the rest of what it has to offer compared to the GV70?

 

[bill davis]

Two-spoke wheel on 2.5 is ugly, I think you will agree.
Leather seats with mesh or suede cheapen the seats, only quilted leather seats look luxurious.
No HUD on any of the models except the most expensive one? Come on man
Bad gas efficiencies, especially the 3.5.
Add price markup and no dedicated Genesis dealership?

I won't be buying this 1st edition. Will you?

dealer by me said they are building a new building just for genesis ,,,going to start in jan.

 

[bill davis]

Thanks, and hope I didn't sound defensive, I agree no one _should_ be starting out comparing Palisade and GV70. I was trying to make the point that people come into this from some very strange or counter-intuitive positions (including my own). GV70 should not be a candidate (too little cargo capacity in specs). I blame YouTube for my ordering a GV70.

My point of reference starting this process was the 2022 Outback Premier (US=Touring, Gen 6, top of the top). Coming from an older (Gen 4) Outback Convenience (Lowest of the Low). Started a spreadsheet with all the important (to me) specs off the website for both the 2022 and my old one, and added the Forester since I had one before (the old little one, with a turbo -- 1450kg/3200lb and 210HP ). For completeness I went through all the manufacturers to see what they had in competition (every mainstream manufacturer will have at least one vehicle that competes with Forester, and one that competes with Outback, apart from the latter being a wagon not a CUV).

I set myself boundaries of maximum length (very slightly longer than the Outback, which is as long as I like) and minimum cargo (somewhat less than Outback, since on our trip home from vacation each year is absolutely jammed full, including stuff laid out around the spare tire). So for some vehicles I didn't even include them in the spreadsheet, and for some I marked them doubtful. The specs ruled out (subject to a sit-in) a lot of vehicles. All (or almost all, I forget) 3-row SUVs were simply too big (including Subaru Ascent). Some 5-seaters had way too little cargo capacity (GV70 is one of those and wasn't on the list). I almost didn't include Hyundai at all, because we were seriously unimpressed the 2 previous times we looked at cars. But then I saw a 5min video from driving.ca raving about the 2022 Tucson (because they all rave about pretty much every new vehicle, they know which side their bread's buttered on and who's buttering it) so I added Tucson and Santa Fe.

Sitting (no test drive) eliminated more vehicles and revealed some weirdness. For example, Tucson is still smaller than Santa Fe (but not by much). But it's much more comfortable. Tight, but it feels cozy not cramped. Maybe I just want to like it. Santa Fe is wider and 4mm lower ground clearance, but was harder to get into and out of, especially for the family member who uses a walker or cane. We had a similar experience with Outback vs Forester, the former is more comfortable to sit in, but because it's wider the seat is further from the edge of the car, which is a problem for those with mobility issues). Sat in an Acura RDX and it felt cramped, partly the shape of the seat (perhaps the sides of the horizontal part come up too much). I should go back and try Acura, Lexus and Infiniti again, but not inspired to. I think the GV70's design just feels too good.

My shortlist right now is GV70 2.5T, Outback, Tucson, all at top trims not because I want to spend extra but for specific features that each only offers at that point. The GV70 is the outlier here, not because of price (though it is more expensive, and other others are within $3K of each other after taxes and everything) but because it's lacking both cargo and rear legroom, which together give it less max cargo space (rear seats down) than my desired minimum. I may come to regret it but I hope it will be balanced by all the time I don't regret it.

gv70 is way smaller inside ,,,it,s suppose to be a sporty suv,,,,,,i have a 21 outback limited ,,love it ,,,my 8th subaru

 

[ottawa]

What did you think of the Santa Fe Calligraphy overall?

Sorry to say, I didn't sit in a Calligraphy. We decided to start by sitting in whatever was on the floor, then see if they had a Calligraphy to test drive (figured they should have 1, since it's a unique engine for the model). That was the process we followed with Tucson, sit in anything just to see if it's comfortable, then we drove Preferred w/Trend (don't know US trim) and Ultimate Hybrid. I thought the Santa Fe cabin was okay but it didn't excite me, where the Tucson did a bit. Unfortunately with difficult ingress/egress, I didn't pay a lot of attention to the rest, other than the Tucson was more fun and official larger cargo somehow (though one reviewer suggested the under-floor space of Santa Fe might not be counted). I also have to figure on adding a spare to the Ultimate of either, which would reduce usable space.

gv70 is way smaller inside ,,,it,s suppose to be a sporty suv,,,,,

Doesn't mean it can't have more front legroom and/or more storage. They've chosen to give it what it has, but that's it. The Forester is shorter, narrower, and higher, than the GV70 (also than the Outback), yet has more legroom (both front and rear -- I ran the seat all the way back as I usually do, got in, and had to move it forward; that's the only vehicle I've done that on), and more cargo, than the GV70. Interestingly, with the rear seat up, GV70 and Forester are identical 818L, while with the rear seat down, it becomes 1611L and 1960L. I realize they're different classes of vehicle, and I understand the Outback is longer than the GV70, but the 4" shorter Forester manages to squeeze in more legroom front and back.

We've been back and forth for next Outback on NA vs Turbo for a while (okay maybe a couple of years ) and if I were to settle on "no turbo in Outback", I would seriously consider a Forester Limited (2nd-highest) over an Outback Premier (US=Touring) based on its distribution of interior space alone. If they were to hypothetically put the 260HP 2.4L turbo from Ascent and Outback into the 2022 Forester, I would have to re-evaluate. Not going to happen though. Yes I realize it still wouldn't have the flair of the GV70, but I like the Forester's interior (and implementation of tech toys) better than the Outback's. And fuel consumption on the Subarus is really good (probably the CVT), the Outback 260HP turbo burns 9.0L/100km of octane 87, while the GV70 300HP turbo burns 9.7L/100km of octane 91. I estimate C$2700 vs C$3880 per year on gas.

Glad you like your Subarus. I've liked both my Forester and my Outback. Still not sure whether I'd go Outback or Tucson if GV70 were not an option, they're very different vehicles but each offers a lot I like (as does the GV70).

Thanks.

 

[bill davis]

one huge thing ..subaru's hold there value better than almost anything ,,,,genesis is the worst as of now should get better down the road

 

[mythdoc]

Hello again! Looked hard at the GV70 a while back, ended up in an Audi A4 allroad wagon. I’ve seen two GV70’s on the road in my city, Knoxville TN. One white and one red. When I saw the red one on Saturday it seemed large to me, which is what all midsize luxury SUV’s seem to me now that I’ve adapted to the size of the Allroad, lol. (Previously I drove a 1st gen Q5 so it would have looked the proper size.)

This GV70 had a dealer plate on so it was out for a test drive. I’ve been keeping an eye on the inventory at the two area Hyundai dealers and there are as of this past weekend now 9 GV70’s unsold and available. Which seems like a lot to me, considering the current lack of vehicles at the local Audi and Mercedes Benz dealers.

Anyway, I don’t really know if these Knoxville dealers may be ready to cut a deal. When the car first arrived they were asking $3K over msrp. I wonder if they regret that now. Still think the GV70 is very attractive. I don’t, however, regret my choice as I got a rare spec vehicle (Allroad Prestige trim) for $2500 below sticker and a favorable trade on my Q5. Of course I loyally brought that car in for service at the stealership, so when they looked me up they saw the dollar signs floating over my head, lol.

Regards, Glenn

 

[John Baxter]

I don’t, however, regret my choice as I got a rare spec vehicle (Allroad Prestige trim) for $2500 below sticker and a favorable trade on my Q5.

So why do you think anyone cares in a Genesis thread??

 

[Jmar55]

So why do you think anyone cares in a Genesis thread??

I'll tell you why I care. I'm very impressed with the GV70. But I'm also considering other choices. I'm interested in why someone also cross shopping decided on something other than the GV70. I hope there's room for those folks on this thread.

 

[Wj100]

I'll tell you why I care. I'm very impressed with the GV70. But I'm also considering other choices. I'm interested in why someone also cross shopping decided on something other than the GV70. I hope there's room for those folks on this thread.

Agreed, that's what makes these forums interesting. I too am considering a GV70 and am always curious to hear how others feel about how it stacks up against competitors' products. For me, I have it narrowed down to the GV70 3.5 SP and the BMW X3 M40i and have appreciated the feedback on this forum.

 

[FLtime]

Agreed, that's what makes these forums interesting. I too am considering a GV70 and am always curious to hear how others feel about how it stacks up against competitors' products. For me, I have it narrowed down to the GV70 3.5 SP and the BMW X3 M40i and have appreciated the feedback on this forum.

I too find the discussion and cross-shopping information very helpful. The perspectives on here are great things to soak up before test driving!

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[average joe]

I suppose there aren't many people cross-shopping the GV70 against Foresters and Tucsons, but we worked our way up the food chain, from Subaru's offerings (Forester and Outback) and the competition, then up through Genesis, Lexus, Acura, and so on. We landed (so far) on the GV70.

I went through everything as well (up and down the food chain), but in an interesting order. Going in, I was intrigued by a 6K lb GVWR SUV for tax write off purposes (full depreciation taken in year one). That is why the order appears sort of random because I kept coming back to weight/value/reliability/resale/likes comparisons (probably placing an emphasis on that order of importance).

Telluride - Really liked the look from the front and sides dating back to '20 and figured I would wait for the MSRP+ nonsense to taper, but then Covid hit and turned it into a long-term thing (great value proposition on all trims at MSRP). Only real flaws being the need for wider tires, especially when viewing from the rear and dual exhaust. Wide vehicles need wide tires to match
Pallisade - Superior and more luxurious interior to Telluride, but exterior styling not even close to Telluride
GV80 - Luxurious look and ride and 6Klbs GVWR on the 3.5 (equaled very intriguing), but not a fan of the rims on the lower trim 3.5 standard and didn't want to pay more than 60K for one. Also, with the chrome trim on the bottom, I feel that it needs chrome or more polished rims like a chromed-out escalade type look. A lot of chrome on the vehicle matched with machined rims just seems like a job unfinished to my eyes. I get the move to black rims on a lot of cars, but chrome rims almost always look better than machined alloy/flat rims. Not sure why luxury cars have gotten away from chrome rims. It's such a clean look if there is already a lot of chrome on the vehicle. The concept looked better with the concept rims. The higher trim does a offer a nicer rim/finish. That said, at the time, wanted to compare to the forthcoming GV70. Concerned about dealership issues.
Acura MDX - Like the new style. Not as luxury on the inside as other premium/luxury brands for premium/luxury price. Marketed as a performance SUV, but performance pretty underwhelming outside of Type S, which isn't available yet and will likely be over 60K.
Audi Q7 - Classic/classy looks with nice interior/infotainment/gauge setup. Keep cars a long time and perceived cost of ownership too high
Lexus RX 450HL - Considered strictly for Lexus reliability resale and RX 450HL weight coming in at 6K lbs GVWR, but outside of the grill (separate from the rest of the vehicle), just meh looks and boring to drive for 60K+
Porsche Cayenne - Sweet ride and over 6K lbs GVWR, but too high cost of ownership (and expensive reliability issues) if retaining for an extended period and really expensive (lacking basic features) outside of the base model
Porsche Macan - Considered until read about high cost of ownership (and expensive reliability issues) if retaining for an extended period
GV70 - Blown away on first impression (sporty and classy with fun driving dynamics). Still concerned about dealership issues. My son immediately called it that I would ultimately end up with a Genesis based on our evaluation of things up to this point
GV80 - Took another look to compare and analyze 6K lb GVWR tax advantage
Acura RDX - Honda/Acura resale. Pretty cool new styling. Beyond that, not a lot to get excited about at 40K+ with the turbo four cylinder, when that placed it in GV70 territory for something similarly equipped.
Durango - Strictly for 6k lb GVWR tax advantage. Awful gas mileage, especially with a V8. V6 is also over 6K lbs, but very meh with a V6.
4Runner - Same as above. Outdated, cheap materials, lacking in technology, but, man, that resale value! After writing off, could probably sell at five year mark to avoid recapture and just about drive for five years for nothing. Even with gas write-off, still AWFUL fuel efficiency!
RAV4 Prime - Curious about "2nd fastest Toyota vehicle," gas mileage, and resale/reliability. Too small and meh in person to even test drive.
GV70 - Revisited, but this time wanted a glimpse into the future for what a Genesis experience might be like at stand-alone dealerships in the future (perhaps after the complimentary three year concierge service expires, but not holding my breath). So, made the trip to Santa Monica to visit the flagship stand-along dealership that opened in July and is attempting to chart a path for the luxury Genesis experience/template. Came to the conclusion that the GV70 is the coolest SUV on the market and a great value proposition (important piece for me) at the 2.5 Select trim.
IS 350/Upcoming IS 500 (V8) - While in Santa Monica, had a random/fleeting consideration of this sporty/beautiful/reliable sedan in place of an SUV. Took a quick look, rules out, back on track...
Telluride - Needed to compare one last time as a value proposition at the same price fully loaded as the 2.5 GV70 Select. Upon returning to the Telluride, quickly realized how quickly tastes for finer things can change. Still a tremendous value at MSRP, but pain to get unless writing for an out of state dealership in CO, TX, MO, or IN, and that's a serious hassle. The downtown LA Kia were selling them for 67K...LOL
GV70 - Revisited for the last time and pulled the trigger on a Red/Vanilla GV70 2.5 Select (would have preferred white or silver exterior), but the vanilla interior became the top priority after seeing it in person. A 2.5 with/without vanilla interior is a unicorn at the moment. That said, the red really is stunning and adds to the sportiness. Very Porsche-esque from the rear, particularly in red. I'm a bit nervous about maintenance (keeping clean) as I have owned nothing but white vehicles for that reason. Was thinking about venturing out to silver (classy), but never in a million years would I have thought red! I will also say that for some of reason, the whit colors just don't seem to do these vehicles justice like just about every other vehicle. Not sure why that is. Perhaps it's simply because so many other colors are shown/offered and very well done.

Other Considerations
BMW - Never bothered (keep cars a long time and cost of ownership is reportedly too high)
Mercedes - Never bothered (keep cars a long time and cost of ownership is reportedly too high)
Lincoln Aviator - Researched but never actually considered due to pre-conceived reliability issues, experience with lower-end Ford products, and after reading reviews.

Back to the stand-alone Santa Monica dealership experience. We had some hiccups (some not the dealerships fault), and it's not quite a well-oiled machine yet, but night and day difference when compared to a Hyundai dealership. Trust me. Wine at signing! Do yourself a favor, if in Cali, or surrounding state, buy the car there! I really wished that I lived close by and could have them service the vehicle. Customers were pulling in driving McLarens. If this is the future... Gino is the guy! Tell him his guys from NorCal (the "Brodys") sent you. He will know. He is a great dude and will give you every ounce of his being! Trust me, it's worth the drive from wherever you live (within reason)! I think back about the Hyundai experience shopping for these cars and SMH in comparison. Gino is the guy!

 

[DDN]

I cross shopped the bmw x3 m40i. In my opinion the only thing where the bmw beats out the gv70 is driving dynamics, handling etc. But the gv70 more than holds its own on that front. If driving dynamics was my priority i wouldnt be looking at SUVs anyway. But in pretty much every other aspect that was important to me the GV70 won out. . And while its subjective, i think the gv70 has a better looking exterior and far better looking interior space. Just overall a nicer place to be. I guess it boils down to what you value the most.

 

[TBickell]

Cross shopped X3 M40i and Benz GLC AMG 43. Both desirable for similar reasons. Luxury brand and driving dynamics. The X3 vented seat thing is a mess and I have to have them in Phoenix in a 65k luxury vehicle. Other than that the M340i is a monster with that engine and ZF transmission. The rest is Meh as far as stying. The GV70 blows it away there inside and out. The Benz is also a little beast on the road and is faster and more fun at high limits but how often does that happen? The GV70 in my mind is far more refined and special than both without the badge.

 

[average joe]

Special is the keyword. It’s just a special car inside and out and you can’t say that about a lot of vehicles

 

[FLtime]

I honestly think I'm going to wait about 9 months and see what Genesis changes for the 2023 model. The car I have right now still runs great, and I feel like Genesis needs to change up some of the options, leather colors, trim lineup, and the wheels. Plus, all of you early adopters can help get the bugs worked out on the 2022 GV70.

 

[NewGuy1005]

For anyone looking for a honest review of the GV70 build quality. I just posted this in another thread. Genesis GV70 Reviews

 

[abe911]

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3.5t in Himalayan Gray

Where did you get the wheels?? My Himalayan Gray, 3.5 prestige will arrive mid September and I will replace the OEM wheels. Thanks

 

[average joe]

For anyone looking for a honest review of the GV70 build quality. I just posted this in another thread. Genesis GV70 Reviews

Very interesting analysis! Thank you for sharing! Great to know! Do you think we can assume the mechanical build quality is the same?

 

[jgibson146]

Where did you get the wheels?? My Himalayan Gray, 3.5 prestige will arrive mid September and I will replace the OEM wheels. Thanks

Want to sell your old wheels?

 

[abe911]

Want to sell your old wheels?

Yes if I can find what I like, haven't sourced any yet. New 3.5 does not arrive until mid September, hopefully??