GV70 - honest discussion

[Carfreak]

So many comments about an EV version. I don't get it. The world has plenty of clean fossil fuels. We need to pull out heads out. Electricity has to be made by either coal, gas, wind , water, solar or nuclear. We shut down nuclear plants for the "no nukes" movement. Wind and solar are not consistent. Neither is water. The greenies think electricity grown on tree's. It does not. We will always burn fossil fuels like it or not. Do we think we will have electric airplanes soon?? Come on.

There are only 1% EV vehicles on the road in the US today. Do we really think that is going to radically change in the near future? It's all about oil people and it will continue. If that makes Johnny juniors air a little worse in 30 years than too bad. Be born earlier.

 

[csu87]

6 months eh? Aged like milk

seems that dude deleted his profile. He went all in on chip shortages/car shortages would only last till the end of summer 2021.

 

[Cantdecide]

Personal take: The two spoke steering wheel doesn't bother me. The cars design is impeccable inside and out. BUT... whoever is designing the wheels for these should find another job, perhaps at Nissan. They went to great pains to make the car rounded, smooth, and shapely, then add either the edgy "Which way am I going" Hyundai leftover wheels on the Advanced or the "Hey, lets go to Waffle House" 5 spoke on the Sport. Why they couldn't have used a stylish multi spoke wheel (like they install on the G70) that would make more of a sport luxury statement?

The new range rover has a 2 spoke steering wheel

 

[zanzibar]

If that makes Johnny juniors air a little worse in 30 years than too bad. Be born earlier.

I take it you don't have kids. Your perspective on things changes the moment you do.

 

[luck11]

So many comments about an EV version. I don't get it. The world has plenty of clean fossil fuels. We need to pull out heads out. Electricity has to be made by either coal, gas, wind , water, solar or nuclear. We shut down nuclear plants for the "no nukes" movement. Wind and solar are not consistent. Neither is water. The greenies think electricity grown on tree's. It does not. We will always burn fossil fuels like it or not. Do we think we will have electric airplanes soon?? Come on.

There are only 1% EV vehicles on the road in the US today. Do we really think that is going to radically change in the near future? It's all about oil people and it will continue. If that makes Johnny juniors air a little worse in 30 years than too bad. Be born earlier.

Wow, really? Sorry, but that is a totally ignorant thing to say. This is why this planet is going to be toast, and why my 23 yr old son and his girlfriend of 4 years have already decided that they don't want to bring kids into this world...because of the sh!thole we have created. As parent...that tears my heart out. Where I am, over 90% of our electricity is green. I have no fossil fuel burning anything here, except my current truck and my natural gas furnace...everything is battery based. My truck is being traded for the GV70, which will be traded for an EV in 2 or 3 years when batteries offer greater range. Climate change: IPCC report warns of ‘irreversible’ impacts of global warming.

 

[dklanecky]

Where I am, over 90% of our electricity is green. I have no fossil fuel burning anything here, except my current truck and my natural gas furnace...everything is battery based. My truck is being traded for the GV70, which will be traded for an EV in 2 or 3 years when batteries offer greater range.

I'd like to know where you live (in the USA?) that is already at 90% electricity being created in a green method?

Batteries don't create electricity all by themselves. They have to be charged with electricity, that is currently (again in the USA) generated by fossil fuels at about an 85% level.

So where do you live (county and state is plenty)!

 

[luck11]

I'd like to know where you live (in the USA?) that is already at 90% electricity being created in a green method?

Batteries don't create electricity all by themselves. They have to be charged with electricity, that is currently (again in the USA) generated by fossil fuels at about an 85% level.

So where do you live (county and state is plenty)!

Not in the USA. Canada.

 

[gv702022]

I'd like to know where you live (in the USA?) that is already at 90% electricity being created in a green method?

Batteries don't create electricity all by themselves. They have to be charged with electricity, that is currently (again in the USA) generated by fossil fuels at about an 85% level.

So where do you live (county and state is plenty)!

There are many challenges to move to electric vehicles. Even if the electricity is generated by natural gas, the power plants per KW are much less polluting than the localized gasoline engine. Power facilities are much more efficient and better a scrubbing pollution from exhaust. Far from a perfect solution I believe overall, electric in the future will be beneficial. Tons of roadblocks to overcome as you mention though; grid capacity, mining, battery recycling. Not unsolvable but we are far from an overnight solution. You'll be able to burn gas in your car for decade(s) to come. It's just going to be more and more expensive over time through subsidies and carbon taxes. In the end it won't really be a 'choice'. I'm looking forward to my twin turbo arrive soon in the meantime!

 

[Electrode]

2020 Sources of US electricity generation: Renewables 20%, Nuclear 20%, Coal 19%, Natural gas 40%, petroleum 1%.

Electricity in the U.S. - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

The major fuel/energy sources and their contribution to annual U.S. electricity generation.

www.eia.gov

This surprised me, as I thought we were still using much more oil for power plants.

 

[Wolf359fb]

2020 Sources of US electricity generation: Renewables 20%, Nuclear 20%, Coal 19%, Natural gas 40%, petroleum 1%.

Electricity in the U.S. - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

The major fuel/energy sources and their contribution to annual U.S. electricity generation.

www.eia.gov

This surprised me, as I thought we were still using much more oil for power plants.

I live in Québec where we're at something like 99% renewable, the vast majority being hydro electricity, some windmills, and the only exception being a gas plant on an island too far offshore to be linked to the grid.

The U.S. could gradually do the switch, if it wasn't for the oil pressure groups (Currently pressuring against a clean power line from QC to NYC), and a complete lack of will. Politics are as dirty as crude oil.

As for batteries, 90-95% recycling of their contents as is already achieved today is really not bad at all.

I'm waiting for the electric GV70 orders to open so I can trade in my 2019 hybrid RAV4 and end once and for all my reliance on the oil cartel encouraging the economy of some foreign countries that only want us dead.

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[deewan]

So many comments about an EV version. I don't get it. The world has plenty of clean fossil fuels. We need to pull out heads out. Electricity has to be made by either coal, gas, wind , water, solar or nuclear. We shut down nuclear plants for the "no nukes" movement. Wind and solar are not consistent. Neither is water. The greenies think electricity grown on tree's. It does not. We will always burn fossil fuels like it or not. Do we think we will have electric airplanes soon?? Come on.

There are only 1% EV vehicles on the road in the US today. Do we really think that is going to radically change in the near future? It's all about oil people and it will continue. If that makes Johnny juniors air a little worse in 30 years than too bad. Be born earlier.

In what reality do you live where a person has a choice when they are born? Let me guess you also blame people in war torn nations for not being born in a stable, democratic country. Your comment is completely absurd, but I guess you choose to be born in a time and place that provides you the right to make absorb comments so good on you?!?

As for EV and electricity generation, the switch away from fossil fuel is not a 1-2 month project. But getting to completely renewal energy that is dependable is 100% attainable with things like the national power grid. People who oppose renewable energy like to make single thought comments like "what if the wind stops, do my lights go out?" or "or how today I power my TV at night?". Multiple renewable energy sources and the national power grid is the answer. For example I live 4-5 miles from a nuclear power plant (decommissioned in 2020) and when operating at full capacity only 18-20% of the power from that plant was used locally in this state. Much of the power was sold transferred out of state using transmission lines. In much the same fashion, solar, wind, or water power can be transfered from areas where that may have low generation to his demand locations.

It's an exciting time to be alive and see how technology can improve our lives and allow individuals and countries independence from fossil fuels. Perhaps that why I "chose" to be born when I did and not earlier. It allows me perspective and the ability to have an open mind to change.

 

[Chad86tsi]

2020 Sources of US electricity generation: Renewables 20%, Nuclear 20%, Coal 19%, Natural gas 40%, petroleum 1%.

Electricity in the U.S. - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

The major fuel/energy sources and their contribution to annual U.S. electricity generation.

www.eia.gov

This surprised me, as I thought we were still using much more oil for power plants.

those figures are accurate averages, but keep in mind time of day and region greatly impacts what flavor of power a person actually consumes. Most with EV's charge their cars at night, and there is obviously no solar at night, so all those EV's in California where solar is king, those cars are often being charged with mostly "dirty" power.

 

[Jango]

those figures are accurate averages, but keep in mind time of day and region greatly impacts what flavor of power a person actually consumes. Most with EV's charge their cars at night, and there is obviously no solar at night, so all those EV's in California where solar is king, those cars are often being charged with mostly "dirty" power.

2021 Total System Electric Generation

www.energy.ca.gov

 

[Chad86tsi]

2021 Total System Electric Generation

www.energy.ca.gov

Yesterday's load in California:

California ISO - Supply, Today's Outlook

View real-time and historical data on generation resources, including renewables, currently on the system.

www.caiso.com

 

[G-722936]

Just wait six months, the chip shortages will be over and they will be discounting these as they sit on dealer lots. Got to be nuts to pay msrp or more. With the very high money factor on the new genesis models, leasing these is insanely expensive.

This comment did not age well. LOL.

 

[Fairburne]

I'd like to know where you live (in the USA?) that is already at 90% electricity being created in a green method?

Batteries don't create electricity all by themselves. They have to be charged with electricity, that is currently (again in the USA) generated by fossil fuels at about an 85% level.

So where do you live (county and state is plenty)!

You also have to think about the materials used to make the batteries. This process is not green either. I am 100% for going away from fossil fuels to other methods of energy production but most people don't dig deep enough to see how not green EV's really are. Still, despite all the drawbacks of EV range and not being green as people think its still better than gasoline and a step in the right direction.