What rides like a Genesis

[Mark_888]

So, what you're saying is some people notice a difference and some don't.
Kind of my point. It is not a "fact" that the change is noticable by everyone.

I never said it was noticeable to everyone. But there are reasons why some may not notice, such as they have a 2009 built after April 2009, which already has some of the same 2010 suspension modifications. I am quite sure that there are a few who claim there is no difference, or that there is a difference, who have never even driven both cars. Some on this forum work for Hyundai or dealers and "may" have their own motivations (such as was mentioned in another thread where a dealer claimed the 2011 suspension has been improved over 2010).

I think we should let everyone decide for themselves based on the evidence presented about what changes were made by Hyundai, and testimonials from both sides by those who have commented on it. I don't want to get into quoting specific numbers of people who believe x or y, like you have attempted to do.

Lastly, you seem to be suggesting that it is absurd to think that Hyundai "introduced it [Genesis Sedan] into the US market with a less that [than] ideal suspension in the first place". Even for those who don't think there is big problem with the early 2009 suspension, I doubt that most objective persons would describe it as "ideal."

 

[oreipa]

I have a early '09--April '08 build

I just took a test drive of a 2010 while mine was in for service, and it would require a lot more driving for me to conclude that the suspension has been changed as dramatically as you would have people believe by your hyperbole. In fact I felt little, if any, difference over what was a fairly uneven surface. I'm with Sandy on this one. Let's drop the "all" "everyone" statements and stick to the facts. The fact that two people on this forum have changed the suspension parts and found a difference tells you that 100% of the people are satisfied--true. But two is a woefully inadequate sample size for any type of rational comparison. If another early adopter of the Genesis agrees with me that there is little if any change, does that mean that we can say it's a wash?

 

[sandy]

Re: I have a early '09--April '08 build

I just took a test drive of a 2010 while mine was in for service, and it would require a lot more driving for me to conclude that the suspension has been changed as dramatically as you would have people believe by your hyperbole. In fact I felt little, if any, difference over what was a fairly uneven surface. I'm with Sandy on this one. Let's drop the "all" "everyone" statements and stick to the facts. The fact that two people on this forum have changed the suspension parts and found a difference tells you that 100% of the people are satisfied--true. But two is a woefully inadequate sample size for any type of rational comparison. If another early adopter of the Genesis agrees with me that there is little if any change, does that mean that we can say it's a wash?

I agree so the case is closed.

 

[Mark_888]

Re: I have a early '09--April '08 build

I just took a test drive of a 2010 while mine was in for service, and it would require a lot more driving for me to conclude that the suspension has been changed as dramatically as you would have people believe by your hyperbole. In fact I felt little, if any, difference over what was a fairly uneven surface. I'm with Sandy on this one. Let's drop the "all" "everyone" statements and stick to the facts. The fact that two people on this forum have changed the suspension parts and found a difference tells you that 100% of the people are satisfied--true. But two is a woefully inadequate sample size for any type of rational comparison. If another early adopter of the Genesis agrees with me that there is little if any change, does that mean that we can say it's a wash?

I never claimed that 100% of people on this forum agreed to anything. Never. What I objected to was the statistical accuracy of this claim by Sandy:

The only evidence I've seen on this site is approx one or two owners saying they've noticed a difference, one or two saying there is no difference and one or two saying they couldn't tell any difference."The only evidence I've seen on this site is approx one or two owners saying they've noticed a difference, one or two saying there is no difference and one or two saying they couldn't tell any difference."

Later, when I questioned the above statistics, he defended his claim:

My stats are correct.

Clearly, there is disagreement about the effect of the change and whether it is noticeable. But there should be no disagreement that Hyundai did in fact make a change, once in a 2009 model year update in April 2009 build date, and more changes for the 2010 model year.

Those who are driving (or test drove as part of their comparison) a 2009 Genesis with build date after April 2009 would be less likely to notice the differences between the 2009 and 2010. But there are some with early 2009 models who have said that they don't notice any differences, and I never disputed that.

I would add Hyundai to the list of those who noticed the change, for it seems ridiculous and absurd to suppose they made changes that they themselves could not notice or that they did not feel where a worthwhile improvement. But there is no law that says Sandy and others must agree with Hyundai or others who do notice a change. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

 

[msitter]

Mine has a May 7, 2010 build date so I probably have whatever the latest suspension revision is. I can definitely say mine rides better than my wifes 328i sport package convertible. I don't see the harshness that some people talk about, in fact, the RF tires on the BMW are terribly harsh. The Dunlops seem to be more sensitive to road surface and become noisy on rough texture but still unbroken asphalt. They really sing. I think with a change of tire brand the ride would be perfect. These tires remind me of Pirellis that came on a Saab Viggen and a Merkur XR4Ti that I had. Very noisy and at about 18-20k miles sounded like they were square rather than round. I don't remember what tires I put on the Merkur but on the Saab I used Summitomo HTR tires but in both cases the tires wore better and were much quieter. The ride was a big concern to me after reading everything here and I have to say I am very happy with the ride on my Genesis.

 

[sandy]

I never said it was noticeable to everyone. But there are reasons why some may not notice, such as they have a 2009 built after April 2009, which already has some of the same 2010 suspension modifications. I am quite sure that there are a few who claim there is no difference, or that there is a difference, who have never even driven both cars. Some on this forum work for Hyundai or dealers and "may" have their own motivations (such as was mentioned in another thread where a dealer claimed the 2011 suspension has been improved over 2010).

I think we should let everyone decide for themselves based on the evidence presented about what changes were made by Hyundai, and testimonials from both sides by those who have commented on it. I don't want to get into quoting specific numbers of people who believe x or y, like you have attempted to do.

Lastly, you seem to be suggesting that it is absurd to think that Hyundai "introduced it [Genesis Sedan] into the US market with a less that [than] ideal suspension in the first place". Even for those who don't think there is big problem with the early 2009 suspension, I doubt that most objective persons would describe it as "ideal."[/QUOTE

Your second paragraph is exactly right. Let's leave it at that.

PS I think missed my point on the absurdity argument you made in your previous post.. I was merely pointing out that when you argue it is absurd to think Hyundai would make a change that wouldn't be noticeable.....that is no more absurd than saying Hyundai would introduce a game-changing vechicle with a less that ideal suspension. Both assumptions are wrong.

 

[Mark_888]

Mine has a May 7, 2010 build date so I probably have whatever the latest suspension revision is. I can definitely say mine rides better than my wifes 328i sport package convertible. I don't see the harshness that some people talk about, in fact, the RF tires on the BMW are terribly harsh. The Dunlops seem to be more sensitive to road surface and become noisy on rough texture but still unbroken asphalt. They really sing. I think with a change of tire brand the ride would be perfect. These tires remind me of Pirellis that came on a Saab Viggen and a Merkur XR4Ti that I had. Very noisy and at about 18-20k miles sounded like they were square rather than round. I don't remember what tires I put on the Merkur but on the Saab I used Summitomo HTR tires but in both cases the tires wore better and were much quieter. The ride was a big concern to me after reading everything here and I have to say I am very happy with the ride on my Genesis.

Since you have a 2010 model, you have all the suspension upgrades, so there is no reason why you would notice any problems. BTW, the biggest complaint about the early 2009 is not necessarily the harshness (the Genesis has a somewhat firm ride by design) but a bounciness in the rear because the shocks were getting overpowered by the springs. The 2010 suspension upgrades included changes to the shock and spring rates, and a different size stabilizer bar.

It is true that a few people think that even the 2010 Genesis is too harsh, but that is just because some are used to Buick, Cadillac, or Lexus type ride. It really does not have anything to do with the original bounciness complaint made by some early 2009 owners (and mentioned by Car and Driver, Consumers Reports, Wall Street Journal, among others).

 

[kayroe]

I find it interesting how the subject of the original question has somehow been lost. The question was along the lines of "what other vehicles drive or rides like the 2010 Genesis 4.6?

 

[Mark_888]

I find it interesting how the subject of the original question has somehow been lost. The question was along the lines of "what other vehicles drive or rides like the 2010 Genesis 4.6?

I would suggest you go around to some other "high end" auto dealers and test drive their cars. This subject is too emotionaly charged in this forum. I assume you want to compare fairly large sedan's, so that would include BMW 5 and 7 series, but exclude 3 series for example. It would also not include a 2-seater sports car like a Z or 911.

 

[TJPark01]

I find it interesting how the subject of the original question has somehow been lost. The question was along the lines of "what other vehicles drive or rides like the 2010 Genesis 4.6?

My vote is Infiniti M, especially the last version

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[oreipa]

Just saw my first of the latests m's in person the other day. That is a beautiful car, at least from the exterior. Infiniti interiors have always been a little suspect, but from the interior shots I've seen, it appears to be a quantum leap.

 

[TJPark01]

Just saw my first of the latests m's in person the other day. That is a beautiful car, at least from the exterior. Infiniti interiors have always been a little suspect, but from the interior shots I've seen, it appears to be a quantum leap.

Infiniti interiors have gotten much better this time around. The past M, I liked the way it drove but the interior was terrible. Same with the G37. Both are now very respectable. They're not as well laid out as Lexus cars, but the car drive better in my opinion. For one reason or another the residual values on most Infiniti's are very poor.

I like the current M, especially the interior. The exterior can look odd and disproportional at some angles. The biggest issue I have with the car, is that it's not the bargin it once was. You start adding some features on a M37 car and it's 55-60k, and for that, I'd rather get a Bimmer/Audi/Benz.

 

[gameday22]

This is why I say there is not a problem with each and every car they make, it's purely a very bad QC (Quality Control) issue that is running rampant through Hyundai's entire production line for every single vehicle they make.

How else do you attribute to the fact that one person has a 2007, 2008, 2009 or 2010 etc... and has no issues to speak of at all (regardless of which vehicle the own) and others are having an absolute nightmare and are plagued with all kinds of technical problems with their cars. If Hyundai tightens up QC across the board they would be even a better company then they are already. Don't do like Toyota did and lose sight of who is important.....THE CUSTOMER !!!

 

[Mark_888]

This is why I say there is not a problem with each and every car they make, it's purely a very bad QC (Quality Control) issue that is running rampant through Hyundai's entire production line for every single vehicle they make.

How else do you attribute to the fact that one person has a 2007, 2008, 2009 or 2010 etc... and has no issues to speak of at all (regardless of which vehicle the own) and others are having an absolute nightmare and are plagued with all kinds of technical problems with their cars. If Hyundai tightens up QC across the board they would be even a better company then they are already. Don't do like Toyota did and lose sight of who is important.....THE CUSTOMER !!!

I don't think most of the problems have anything to do with QC on the production line. For example, the problems with the sound systems are attributable to Lexicon (the designer and supplier). Where there are other problems not attributable to suppliers, they are usually Hyundai design problems, not production problems

 

[nearwater]

The biggest issue I have with the car, is that it's not the bargin it once was. You start adding some features on a M37 car and it's 55-60k, and for that, I'd rather get a Bimmer/Audi/Benz.

Ditto.

Dan

 

[oreipa]

I agree on choosing the Audi over the Infiniti, price being equal. I've owned several and their interiors are simply gorgeous and IMO are second to none (e.g. the latest A8 interior) They're just hideously expensive to maintain once the warranty is done.

 

[bradyb]

I know the suspension topic is very personal to some and I wanted to add my opinion.

I have an '09, it seems "bouncy" through some intersections and some roads. I have pushed my car a bit at high speeds and switch-back canyons and I can certainly praise the handling hands down. It feels stable and secure, and at my rate of spirited driving i dont think ive come close to the cars limits. I'm thinking I would like to upgrade the shocks to a stiffer dampening anyone have input on this?

 

[TJPark01]

I know the suspension topic is very personal to some and I wanted to add my opinion.

I have an '09, it seems "bouncy" through some intersections and some roads. I have pushed my car a bit at high speeds and switch-back canyons and I can certainly praise the handling hands down. It feels stable and secure, and at my rate of spirited driving i dont think ive come close to the cars limits. I'm thinking I would like to upgrade the shocks to a stiffer dampening anyone have input on this?

You definitely want to buy a suspension kit that is Genesis sedan specific. Changing one suspension component may have some unintended consequences. I think the problem is that this car isn't really high on aftermarket tuners list, so the aftermarket specialty parts availability is going to be somewhat limited to cosmetic stuff. To the best of my knowledge I haven't seen a suspension kit made for this car. I think others have patch worked some pieces together with varying results.

 

[Mark_888]

I know the suspension topic is very personal to some and I wanted to add my opinion.

I have an '09, it seems "bouncy" through some intersections and some roads. I have pushed my car a bit at high speeds and switch-back canyons and I can certainly praise the handling hands down. It feels stable and secure, and at my rate of spirited driving i dont think ive come close to the cars limits. I'm thinking I would like to upgrade the shocks to a stiffer dampening anyone have input on this?

There are several threads on upgrading a 2009 suspension to the 2010 version. Depending on you manufacturer date (there was mid-year 2009 change in April 2009 for some components), that would include slightly softer springs, stiffer shocks, and bigger stabilizer bar. As you correctly observed, the 2009 springs are over-powering the shocks and stabilizer.

The other threads on this forum that I mentioned have details including specific 2010 part numbers you will need for your 2009. Obviously, you should probably test drive a 2010 to see if that is more to your liking.

 

[Sayantsi]

Funny, I'm having the same buyers remorse.
Really, it's quite a big problem than we think. Even the dealer knew about the issue and didn't even bother to replicate the issue I described.

Dan

I find it amazing that the high-end system is so problematic - I'd be really upset too. Any chance you can lemon the whole car?