Dead pedal lacking

[PMCErnie]

Not so, lad. I'm 5' 9" and that's average male height. Then there are the women drivers. Are they all beneath you too? Does insulting people make you feel bigger and better? Good for you, but why not be constructive, rather than rude? Or, you could go play in traffic. Your call.

 

[cmunic8r99]

Not so, lad. I'm 5' 9" and that's average male height. Then there are the women drivers. Are they all beneath you too? Does insulting people make you feel bigger and better? Good for you, but why not be constructive, rather than rude? Or, you could go play in traffic. Your call.

Huh?

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[dg_moore]

The dead pedal helps to keep you firmy planted in your seat while driving, especially during hard cornering moves. The Genesis seats don't cradle you in very well (side support lacking). Perhaps the dead pedal is also a throwback to the days of manual transmission clutching when the left foot always had to be ready for that action. In any case, I miss the firm support of a properly placed dead pedal. So would Jackie Stewart and Sterling Moss. Also Jeremy Clarkson and the Top Gear crew.

I don't think I've ever cornered a car hard enough to require bracing myself to avoid being thrown around in the seat. I'm not a getaway man or a rally competitor - I'm an average commuter/errand runner like most drivers. I drove manual transmission cars for 30 of my 50+ years of driving, and I don't recall any need for a footrest then either.

 

[Mark_888]

Not so, lad. I'm 5' 9" and that's average male height. Then there are the women drivers. Are they all beneath you too? Does insulting people make you feel bigger and better? Good for you, but why not be constructive, rather than rude? Or, you could go play in traffic. Your call.

Hmm. Sounds like you are a little sensitive about your height (as is Krafcik, the CEO of HMA). There was no insult intended. The fact is that when it comes to many things, tall people have to suffer because everything is designed for so-called "normal" people.

I believe the average height of males (age 20-29) in the US is now closer to 5' 10 1/2". In Germany and Sweden, males in that age range now average 5' 11 1/2". Females should drive the Sonata, which is better suited to their size (actually since their seat is usually set farther forward, the pedal distance is reduced proportionally, and so most don't have a problem with the Genesis).

As far as being constructive, asking Hyundai to reduce the distance of the dead pedal is a direct attack me and will not be tolerated. If the distance is reduced, those of us who are taller don't have the option of changing it (you can always make it shorter). Some of us cannot even get a car with a sunroof (without feeling uncomfortably close to the headliner when hitting the slightest bump in the road). According to the Americans with Abilities Act, discrimination against tall people is illegal and will not be permitted.

 

[mcginnpm]

Some of us cannot even get a car with a sunroof (without feeling uncomfortably close to the headliner when hitting the slightest bump in the road). According to the Americans with Abilities Act, discrimination against tall people is illegal and will not be permitted.

AMEN, brother!

I'm 6' 5" and, as far as I'm concerned, I'm normal and the rest of the world is short

Try buying pants when you have a 37" inseam!

On a completely different note, I once had an opportunity to drive a Triumph TR-7 and was amazed when I first got in it. Thinking I'd be schrunched into the car, I immediately ran the seat as far back as it would go before I even got my legs in the car. To my amazement I couldn't reach the pedals!! I actually had to move the seat forward.

 

[Ken1]

Being 6'8" tall I have no problems with the dead pedal. The Genesis has the most leg room of any car in its class.

 

[Jimmmmbo!]

IMO: The driver's setup is not up to the suspension capabilities in this sedan. (I have a base 3.8, so seating bolstering may not be equivalent to more upscale versions.) Fixing the dead pedal won't fix this problem.

Again, IMO, the dead pedal is only a part of the equation. Decent seating to appreciate its suspension is at least just as important if not more so if you're interested in having a lot of fun with this car.

It has been a much talked about subject that the Genesis is a "sports sedan". Well, that's great, but there are issues with trying to enjoy this suspension's capabilities when you have a "flat" seat and no decent dead pedal.

I don't care what Hyundai says, the Genesis is NOT a sports sedan when the driver can't lock into their seat and enjoy its maneuvering capabilities.

Personally, I knew this when I bought the car, so it doesn't bother me. The car meets my expectations for what I was looking for, which was comfort first at a reasonable price. The fact that it has a great suspension capable of having a lot of fun just isn't well matched with the driver's setup.

 

[PMCErnie]

True, that damn seat is pretty flat. Perhaps it is true that we have a lot of Lincoln Town Car types as Genesis owners.

 

[Mark_888]

True, that damn seat is pretty flat. Perhaps it is true that we have a lot of Lincoln Town Car types as Genesis owners.

I think it has more to do with the fact that midgets, due to their lower mass, slide around more on the seats at higher lateral g forces. Or maybe you don't wear seatbelts, not sure which.

 

[Admckillip]

True, that damn seat is pretty flat. Perhaps it is true that we have a lot of Lincoln Town Car types as Genesis owners.

Coming from an 05 CTS 3.6 liter, one of my few complaints about the Genny is the seat. I really miss my drivers seat from my CTS - well bolstered but still comfortable for long cruises. Hyundai should really look to improve in that area, particularly in the R-Spec (maybe they have?).

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[PMCErnie]

I think it has more to do with the fact that midgets, due to their lower mass, slide around more on the seats at higher lateral g forces. Or maybe you don't wear seatbelts, not sure which.

So, we seem to have confirmed that tall American freaks have stolen our dead pedals. Odd, because average Koreans are not known for their soaring height. Wonder how they cope over there just to please basketball players? These basketball players won't even allow women to drive their cars. Seems that luxury is reserved for hoopsters only.

 

[Mark_888]

So, we seem to have confirmed that tall American freaks have stolen our dead pedals. Odd, because average Koreans are not known for their soaring height. Wonder how they cope over there just to please basketball players? These basketball players won't even allow women to drive their cars. Seems that luxury is reserved for hoopsters only.

Simple, they move the seat forward.

 

[Ken1]

At least many people in the world look up to these tall folks.

 

[dg_moore]

At least many people in the world look up to these tall folks.

How do you identify an extroverted mathematician? ...He looks at your shoes rather than his own when talking to you.

 

[Ken1]

At the end of the day when someone farts in an elevator I am the last one to smell the fou l order. So all you Napoleon want a bee's just suck up.

 

[PMCErnie]

At least many people in the world look up to these tall folks.

Osama was tall.

 

[mcginnpm]

I think it has more to do with the fact that midgets, due to their lower mass, slide around more on the seats at higher lateral g forces. Or maybe you don't wear seatbelts, not sure which.

Awww...c'mon now Mark. You know better than that! You hit the Boyle's Law thing on the head over on the TPMS thread. I'm sure you remember your high school physics. Recall that force equals mass times acceleration, or F = ma.

If the midgets have a mass m1, and we tall freaks have a mass m2, and the car is producing a given lateral g, which is defined by the radius of the curve and the speed of the Genny going through that curve, then F1 = m1g and F2 = m2g.

If m1 is less than m2, the force F1 which causes the midget to slide across the seat is less than F2. Thus we tall freaks should slide more.

I have ignored the coefficient of friction between the seat and our pants, the surface area of our respective posteriors in contact with the seat, and the pounds per square inch exerted by our posteriors.

 

[Mark_888]

Awww...c'mon now Mark. You know better than that! You hit the Boyle's Law thing on the head over on the TPMS thread. I'm sure you remember your high school physics. Recall that force equals mass times acceleration, or F = ma.

If the midgets have a mass m1, and we tall freaks have a mass m2, and the car is producing a given lateral g, which is defined by the radius of the curve and the speed of the Genny going through that curve, then F1 = m1g and F2 = m2g.

If m1 is less than m2, the force F1 which causes the midget to slide across the seat is less than F2. Thus we tall freaks should slide more.

I have ignored the coefficient of friction between the seat and our pants, the surface area of our respective posteriors in contact with the seat, and the pounds per square inch exerted by our posteriors.

I don't claim to understand all the physics involved in this matter, but doesn't a heavier person with more mass generate more friction between the driver and the seat?

 

[mcginnpm]

I don't claim to understand all the physics involved in this matter, but doesn't a heavier person with more mass generate more friction between the driver and the seat?

Too many variables to consider. For example, I'm 6' 5" but I have a skinny and boney butt, thus more "psi" on the seat, so I should "stick in place" at high g. But what about a guy with the same mass who has a broad posterior? He probably slips and slides at the same g.

 

[BBQ Bandit]

Am enjoying the deadpan/dead peadal humor...