2.0t or the v6 coupe

[slowboyy]

GOING into the dealer to put down on the coupe but stuck of which coupe to buy,everybody talking to 2.0tt is the way to go because of its platform.. pros 4b11 motor,turbo,already have good support from the aftermarket.. cons WEIGHT,WEIGHT,WEIGHT this car way more than 3300 pounds i own a sti which way 3350 pounds but have a good drivetrain to support it.i don't think a 3300 pound coupe with a i4 turbo will be a good setup. but a coupe with 306hp weighing 3300 pounds sounds good,i know a turbo is 10 times better than a n/a car because of endless parts you could add to make the turbo spool faster, but im guessing a bolt on ball bearing kit with supporting mods will push the v6 over 380whp which im cool with that.help me out if im missing something on pros and cons on both cars thanks

 

[Blackout]

If you have deep pockets then go for the V6. But for the price it's going to me much cheaper to get the 2.0T instead. The V6 wasn't made for F/I so you will have to buy a complete turbo kit, replace the heads, and all other types of fun stuff. The big questions are going to be as to how well the drive train for either model will hold up once you start modifying.

 

[mkaresh]

If you want to modify, the 2.0T is probably the way to go. You can probably get the power close to the V6, and the drivetrain can clearly handle that. Stock, the V6.

Got to wonder if they've got plans to offer the V8 in the future.

 

[Blackout]

If you want to modify, the 2.0T is probably the way to go. You can probably get the power close to the V6, and the drivetrain can clearly handle that. Stock, the V6.

Got to wonder if they've got plans to offer the V8 in the future.

As of right now Hyundai has said they want the V8 to be a sedan exclusive. I would say if they offer a F/I version of the Tau then we might see the N/A version pop up in the coupe but who knows

 

[Redline]

If I get one of these, I'm definitely going with the turbo model. I just love having the power from a turbo. It might be a bit heavy and slow starting out, but with a bigger turbo and a tune you'll be pretty quick.

 

[bkprodigy]

I love everyone's speculations. Turbo engine isn't 10 times better than an N/A engine.
And no, head "replacement" isn't neccessary when one's puttin in a turbo on an N/A V6.

We don't know the limit of these motors yet.
But in general terms, it's so much easier to extract the "FIRST" 100whp from a turbo motor than n/a motor. If you like instant torque delivery and keep the car stock then go with the V6. If you will mod it slightly go with 2.0L.

 

[Gadfly]

If you are planning on keeping the car stock, then go for the V6.

If you are planning on modifing the car, then go for the i4 Turbo. With a few bolt ons, and a tune I have no doubt that the i4 will make more power than a lightly modded V6 with some bolt ons.

We already have seen the i4 lay down 357rwhp, which is about 80-100rwhp more than the stock V6 puts down, and I am sure more is to come.

As for instant power delevery, there are easy ways to do that with a turbo set up. The new setup on my supra makes 22psi of boost, over 500rwhp and over 500 ft/lbs at 2500rpm and puts out over 1000rwhp and 800ft/lbs total. More details on this as soon as I get the prototype Genesis kit put on a car.

Personaly my goals are better than stock spool and at least 400rwhp out of the stock bottom end.... hope it holds

 

[Blackout]

I love everyone's speculations. Turbo engine isn't 10 times better than an N/A engine.

Since when? An engine built from the factory to support F/I or an engine that you have to put together to support F/I

And no, head "replacement" isn't neccessary when one's puttin in a turbo on an N/A V6.

Well that's news to me. Don't you need domed pistons for F/I engines?

 

[Gadfly]

blackout,

Alot of people just slap a turbo kit on the motor, and MAYBE use a thicker headgasket to lower the compression ratio.

I don't like it either.. but they do it.

 

[Blackout]

blackout,

Alot of people just slap a turbo kit on the motor, and MAYBE use a thicker headgasket to lower the compression ratio.

I don't like it either.. but they do it.

Well if I was to do that I'd want it properly done not half assed

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[Gadfly]

I completely Agree..

 

[bkprodigy]

Since when? An engine built from the factory to support F/I or an engine that you have to put together to support F/I
Well that's news to me. Don't you need domed pistons for F/I engines?

It's always easier to squeeze first 100whp from the turbo motor. Sure, but when one's going extreme, it doesn't matter anymore.
You're looking at engines in terms of its ability to support F/I? What about their responsiveness, smoothness, and drivability?

So I guess M3's new v8 and Ferrari's V8 are both inferior to this turbo motor.
It makes me laugh.

When people are chaning internals to support F/I on N/A motor are either
1. filthy rich
2. chose wrong platform

You don't HAVE to change head, internals on N/A motor if the motor can handle the boost.

Bottom line is you're just talking out of your ass when you say turbo motor is simly better than n/a motor. It all depends.

 

[Blackout]

It's always easier to squeeze first 100whp from the turbo motor. Sure, but when one's going extreme, it doesn't matter anymore.
You're looking at engines in terms of its ability to support F/I? What about their responsiveness, smoothness, and drivability?

I've driven 500+ hp turbo motor's as well as 500+ hp N/A motors. We're talking about modding for performance applications. When was the last time you have ever heard a tuner complain because his car's engine isn't as smooth as a BMW 7 series? As for responsiveness I guess you haven't been paying too much attention to the turbo scene as of late. Turbo's now adays are damn near instant power. Now unless you throw on a ridiculously sized turbo then obviously you're going to have lag issues.

So I guess M3's new v8 and Ferrari's V8 are both inferior to this turbo motor.

If I could have those same motor's with a blower or a turbo setup on them I'd love those engines even more. Hell look at a Vishnu tuned 335i. Just their tune makes the 335i more powerful then the M3's V8

When people are chaning internals to support F/I on N/A motor are either
1. filthy rich
2. chose wrong platform

lol I guess we know which crowd you fit into. Do you also make PVC piping CAI's as well because there's no reason to go out and buy a K&N system because those are for the filthy rich.

You don't HAVE to change head, internals on N/A motor if the motor can handle the boost.

lol. Tell that to my buddies 2001 Mustang GT with a paxton blower on it. Yes a N/A can handle F/I without doing anything else on the motor but you are seriously killing the life of that engine big time!

Bottom line is you're just talking out of your ass when you say turbo motor is simly better than n/a motor. It all depends.

When the hell did I say that? Each has their strong point s but for now adays turbo charged engines are where it's at. Hence why Ford has released their EcoBoost engine series in time for the new CAFE regulations. Turbo charged engines putting out V8 power while using V6 gas mileage. If you need good example of F/I engines being better then N/A engines is look at the supercharged Tau V8 Hyundai made. 500+ hp and the motor gets 8% better fuel mileage then it's N/A version. That's a bad thing I guess though

 

[bkprodigy]

I've driven 500+ hp turbo motor's as well as 500+ hp N/A motors. We're talking about modding for performance applications. When was the last time you have ever heard a tuner complain because his car's engine isn't as smooth as a BMW 7 series? As for responsiveness I guess you haven't been paying too much attention to the turbo scene as of late. Turbo's now adays are damn near instant power. Now unless you throw on a ridiculously sized turbo then obviously you're going to have lag issues.

damn near instant power when a turbo motor is making 500+ hp?
Trust me, I am very upto date with turbo scene as I CURRENTLY have a 500whp evo. Not the best turbo but works for me.

If I could have those same motor's with a blower or a turbo setup on them I'd love those engines even more. Hell look at a Vishnu tuned 335i. Just their tune makes the 335i more powerful then the M3's V8

Yes, I would too, but just because they're N/A doesn't make them inferior to boosted engine like OP stated. (turbo motor is 10times better than N/A is what I'm referring to and where my argument originated from)

lol I guess we know which crowd you fit into. Do you also make PVC piping CAI's as well because there's no reason to go out and buy a K&N system because those are for the filthy rich.

huh?

lol. Tell that to my buddies 2001 Mustang GT with a paxton blower on it. Yes a N/A can handle F/I without doing anything else on the motor but you are seriously killing the life of that engine big time!

I wasn't talking about prolonging the life of engine. I simply stated the fact that head replacement is not neccessary. You lose the life of the engine when you increase power output on most engines.

When the hell did I say that? Each has their strong point s but for now adays turbo charged engines are where it's at. Hence why Ford has released their EcoBoost engine series in time for the new CAFE regulations. Turbo charged engines putting out V8 power while using V6 gas mileage. If you need good example of F/I engines being better then N/A engines is look at the supercharged Tau V8 Hyundai made. 500+ hp and the motor gets 8% better fuel mileage then it's N/A version. That's a bad thing I guess though

Sorry I got confused you with the OP. trust me, I love turbo motors. Just look at what I drive. lol But to say that turbo motor is better than N/A for no apparent reason or basis is just simply an ignorant statement.

 

[Blackout]

damn near instant power when a turbo motor is making 500+ hp?

I've only driven two turbo charged cars making that kinda power and both of them were V8's so there was very minimal if at all turbo lag.

Yes, I would too, but just because they're N/A doesn't make them inferior to boosted engine like OP stated. (turbo motor is 10times better than N/A is what I'm referring to and where my argument originated from)

Gotcha. I'm just going from my point of view. I'd much rather have an engine that straight from the factory is setup for F/I then having to go through the whole process of converting an engine from N/A to F/I.

huh?

Just going from your quote when you said people who do all of that work are filthy rich. Just busting your nuts

I wasn't talking about prolonging the life of engine. I simply stated the fact that head replacement is not neccessary. You lose the life of the engine when you increase power output on most engines.

No head replacement isn't required but when you start messing with an engine/transmission those are two places that I don't want to be half assing it. I'd want them to be properly. I'll half ass my exhaust and go for the Flowmasters instead of the full Borla X pipe system and stuff like that.

Sorry I got confused you with the OP. trust me, I love turbo motors. Just look at what I drive. lol But to say that turbo motor is better than N/A for no apparent reason or basis is just simply an ignorant statement.

To each their own. Everybody has their little niche they like. Some people like FWD others like RWD. Some like 4 cylinders others like 8 cylinders, etc.

 

[bluetwo]

Damn there's a lot of posts on this!

To me it comes down to the transmission, as silly as I know that sounds to some of you. I know there are a LOT of other things to consider but I thought I'd put in my .02 anyway.

So if you can live without the ZF transimission you can get just as much with the 2.0 Track edition as you get with the V6 Track edition, and of course you can have fun upgrading the turbo and whatever to make the i4 just as powerful as the V6 version. You'd save a few thousand in the process, off the original cost of the car ayway, and who doesn't think it's cool when a 2 liter engine makes as much power and torque as a 5 liter? Ha ha.... domestic guys. (Not that there's anything wrong with domestics)

 

[Gadfly]

damn near instant power when a turbo motor is making 500+ hp?
Trust me, I am very upto date with turbo scene as I CURRENTLY have a 500whp evo. Not the best turbo but works for me. [/qoute]

I will have instant power, 22 psi of boost at 2500rpm or less, and put down 1000+ rwhp in the supra..

I will be making a kit for the GC that spools faster than stock, and can put down 500+ rwhp...

Just wait and see...

 

[bkprodigy]

damn near instant power when a turbo motor is making 500+ hp?
Trust me, I am very upto date with turbo scene as I CURRENTLY have a 500whp evo. Not the best turbo but works for me. [/qoute]

I will have instant power, 22 psi of boost at 2500rpm or less, and put down 1000+ rwhp in the supra..

I will be making a kit for the GC that spools faster than stock, and can put down 500+ rwhp...

Just wait and see...

PM me what you have in mind. That will be interesting.

 

[itsme4g63]

. I would say if they offer a F/I version of the Tau then we might see the N/A version pop up in the coupe but who knows

I think the f/i version of the sedan is a go since I saw a roots type blower mounted to a tau v8 at the autoshow, hyundai claims 30% increase in tq and hp over the base 4.6l. But I doubt that the v8 will make it in the coupe, insurance plus productions costs would prolly be a pita.

 

[kortERHorse_281]

i agree with bluetwo.

i'd much rather have a 400hp STi than a 400hp EVO.

why !?!? cuz the drivetrain in the EVO's are made out of tree bark and wet toilet paper. i want a reliable drivetrain like i currenty have in my 05 STi. it's freakin bullet proof.

you can make a ton of power, but if the tranny can't hold it then what's the point !?!?

carlos nice