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2011 Genesis Sedan Brake Failure

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While driving down a hill (with my foot on the brakes), I could not get the car to come to a complete stop at the foot of the hill no matter how hard I pressed on the brake pedal.

The service department could not find a problem with the brakes and said the computer record a brake failure -- but they did!

I have loved owning/driving this car, but now am extremely concerned for my safety. Is there anything anyone can recommend the dealer check -- like anti-lock sensors, etc. that might explain/resolve this and future failures?
 
While driving down a hill (with my foot on the brakes), I could not get the car to come to a complete stop at the foot of the hill no matter how hard I pressed on the brake pedal.

The service department could not find a problem with the brakes and said the computer record a brake failure -- but they did!

I have loved owning/driving this car, but now am extremely concerned for my safety. Is there anything anyone can recommend the dealer check -- like anti-lock sensors, etc. that might explain/resolve this and future failures?

I would hope that your dealer service department is competent enough that they checked out everything that they could. I would call Hyundai and voice my concern and see what they recommend.
Remember that in case you can not get the car to stop hold the ignition start button in for longer than 3 sec. and the engine will shut down or push the button 3 times quickly and the engine will shut down.
 
How steep was the hill, and how long? Is it possible that you were on the brakes to the point of overheating them? Did they brake normally after cooling?
I don't recall reading about them in this OM, but most have a warning about this very possibility.
Thanks.
 
In addition to the points already made and questions asked:

1. You wrote "...the computer record a brake failure -- but they did!" - Did you mean that the computer didn't record a failure?

2. What happened at the bottom of the hill? Did you roll through a stop sign or traffic signal? What happened after that?

3. What was your speed at the bottom of the hill? Did you try the parking brake?

4. What were the road conditions? Dry? Wet? Sand or gravel?

5. Have you considered contacting the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration?
 
@maildfrelix - You should be extremely concerned for your safety. Sell the car fast and cheap. Shoot me your asking price and if the price is right, I'll take the death trap off your hands.
 
@maildfrelix - You should be extremely concerned for your safety. Sell the car fast and cheap. Shoot me your asking price and if the price is right, I'll take the death trap off your hands.

lulz
 
@maildfrelix - You should be extremely concerned for your safety. Sell the car fast and cheap. Shoot me your asking price and if the price is right, I'll take the death trap off your hands.

lol.

op sounds like a troll to me..
 
Thank you everyone. Following is a response to your questions/comments:

- Sorry, my post should have read "the computer DID NOT record a brake failure". This actually makes sense to me as I was on my brakes and the brakes WERE holding the car as I came down the hill.

- Because I couln't stop, I hit a car waiting at the stop sign. Had the car not been there, I would have rolled directly into a busy intersection as a double-decker SF MUNI bus sped by.

- The car maintained it's speed of 15-20 MPH. Also, even though I was pushing as hard as possible, the brake pedal did not press down to the floor. The pedal remained in the same position.

- The weather was perfect: clear (no fog or mist), dry, and the sun was out.

- I have reported this incident to the NHTSA.

- Cannot sell my "death trap" to someone else in good conscience until this issue is resolved because I don't wish to risk injury to myself or others.

- The total distance was just over two-tenths of a mile, so the brakes should not have over heated. San Francisco has a few odd sized/shaped streets, so this may be difficult to describe. The total distance from the start of the hills to the intersection is 2 1/16 blocks. The first 2 blocks are average city block lengths. However, the block where the stop sign is located is an unusualy short block in depth (approx 1/16 the size of the other 2 blocks --only enough space for ONE car to park). The 1st hill is steep, which is why you have to ride your brakes coming down. The 2nd hill is not as steep, but because the little 1/16 block is so short, most people don't come off the brakes because immediately after coming off of the 2nd hill you have to come to a complete stop. The 1/16 block also is not very steep. I've driven this route for almost 34 years, in 7 other cars and they never had a problem.

- Because the little short block is so short, you are literally at that stop sign in seconds. There simply wasn't enough time to think and react in time, so I did not press the energency brake or try turning off the engine. However, these were GREAT ideas!

Hope this clarifies things and thanks again for your suggestions and support!
 
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Do you keep anything in your car on the floor by your feet? One possibility is that something got stuck under the pedal and prevented you from pressing the pedal down all the way.
 
Thanks for the details, but this one:

At the next corner did they work normally? Or after they cooled down? Any recurrence of failure?

Wild ass guess:
If your brake fluid was low, maybe the degree of slope was severe enough to prevent the fluid from getting to the brakes? I've heard of cars not starting if parked on a steep hill and low gas tank, so that's what I'm trying to describe here.
Like I said, wild ass guess.
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@maildfrelix: Thanks for the additional details. A few other comments come to mind:

1. What did the driver of the car that you hit have to say? (Not that it matters, but I'm curious.)

2. If the police were called, did they document your account in their report?

3. Did you notify your insurance carrier? What did they tell you to do?

4. So the dealer just said "we can't find a problem" and left it at that? I'd recommend escalating this to Hyundai corporate, beginning with a regional manager.

5. At what street/intersection did this occur? I'd like to take a look at this on Google Street View.
 
Sounds like another post of a driver going too fast down hill and hit the car in front of him. Many a poor driver uses the vehicle in front of them to come to a complete stop. This is just BS. Plain and simple BS. Oh, did I say this sounds like BS? The OP should take responsibility for their carelss driving and stop trying to blame the brakes.
 
Once again, thank you for your responses; however, I'd like to stress that my purpose for joining this forum is to try to help resolve a SERIOUS problem that I feel merits SERIOUS responses. I'm not interested in selling the "death trap" or uninformed, personal opinions and suspect some responders may be connected to Hyundai. As much as it may sound like a bogus claim, it is NOT. I am making monthly payments on a brand new car that I have not driven since this incident because I feel it would be IRRESPONSIBLE to put it back on the road until the problem can be identified and fixed. Also, since I've begun searching for an answer, I have come across a 2011 Genesis owner, who filed a complaint with his Attorney General after experiencing speed sensor problems with the car. I tried to reach him to inquire how the car behaves when it experiences this problem, but he has not responded yet.


More background on the car:
On July 1st, a SUV's back tire rolled over a large, wood board on the freeway while we were all driving approx 65-70 MPH and propelled the board into my front end at the speed of a bullet. This caused significant damage: completely cracked the front bumper, knocked out a fog lamp, etc.; causing over $3,000 in damage. At that time, the body shop determined there was no mechanical damage to the car. In retrospect, it probably was not a good decision to allow the body shop to make this determination.

Response to your questions:
I wrote to Hyundai's president and his representative at Hyundai America called to advise they need the car to "duplicate" the problem. In other words, continue driving the car and risk hitting another car or even worse, a person or child. They also said they "could not throw money at" (his exact words) every consumer claim. I suspect this is the same type of response Toyota gave drivers who experienced acceleration problems. Unfortunately, when the problem did duplicate, many of those drivers did not live to tell Toyota "I told you so!" It will take Hyundai America over 2 months just to determine whether they will conduct further investigation into the car and/or replace the brakes/sensors on the car and the car will remain benched in the garage.

I saw the Integra waiting at the bottom of the hill while I was at the top of the first hill. And, for the record, I was not on the phone. Had the Integra not been there, I would have rolled directly into the extremely busy, T-intersection at Wilde and San Bruno Avenues. This is the first block of Wilde Avenue, but there's no house facing Wilde on either side of the tiny block so I'm not sure whether it’s numbered the zero or 100 block of Wilde Avenue.

I was not in a rush, so there was no need to speed or drive recklessly. As I wrote, I was on my brakes coming down the hills (a little over .2 tenths mile from the controlled intersection) and the car was moving at approx 15-20 MPH on the hills.

Even though my full-sized car hit a compact-sized car, there was very little damage to either vehicle. It scratched my front bumper and only the right side of his back bumper was pushed out of alignment approximately 1 inch--no dents to either car; further evidence I was not moving fast.

There was nothing under my foot or pedal that restricted either (great question though!) The other driver was angry and his exact words were "Are you even insured?" The car still has the dealer’s new car tags--no plates, so, of course, it is insured.

The brake fluid shouldn't be low because the car's first maintenance is scheduled at 3,000 miles and it only has 2,186 miles. However, I will check the brake fluid because there is still what I thought was an oil puddle on the floor of my garage! I blamed the puddle on the rental car I drove the week the Genesis was in the shop and actually took the rental car agency to task over it. Although the service department said they fully inspected the car, they may not have checked the brake fluid. Thank you for this excellent suggestion! I will get back to you with the result.

Yes, the car would come to a full stop following the accident.

My insurance carrier simply said they cover damage to cars regardless of driver or mechanical error. The adjustor added they recouped very little money from Toyota as a result of those acceleration-related accidents.

SFPD will not come out unless there's a personal injury or death.

This is my only car, so my decision not to drive it has had an EXTREMELY negative impact on my life as I am forced to rely on public transportation and/or rides from friends and co-workers--something I truly HATE. However, without knowing what caused this incident, I know it is the right, RESPONSIBLE decision despite my personal inconvenience. I could sell or trade the car in now; however, it would not be right to allow the next owner to assume such a serious risk. If Hyundai America decides to do nothing, I personally will assume the cost to replace the brakes and sensors and THEN sell the car. At least I will know I will have done everything possible to ensure the car is safe to be on the road. However, I love the car and would like to keep it, so I am very interested in ANY SERIOUS suggestions/questions that may help solve this mystery.
 
Once again, thank you for your responses; however, I'd like to stress that my purpose for joining this forum is to try to help resolve a SERIOUS problem that I feel merits SERIOUS responses. I'm not interested in selling the "death trap" or uninformed, personal opinions and suspect some responders may be connected to Hyundai. As much as it may sound like a bogus claim, it is NOT. I am making monthly payments on a brand new car that I have not driven since this incident because I feel it would be IRRESPONSIBLE to put it back on the road until the problem can be identified and fixed. Also, since I've begun searching for an answer, I have come across a 2011 Genesis owner, who filed a complaint with his Attorney General after experiencing speed sensor problems with the car. I tried to reach him to inquire how the car behaves when it experiences this problem, but he has not responded yet.


More background on the car:
On July 1st, a SUV's back tire rolled over a large, wood board on the freeway while we were all driving approx 65-70 MPH and propelled the board into my front end at the speed of a bullet. This caused significant damage: completely cracked the front bumper, knocked out a fog lamp, etc.; causing over $3,000 in damage. At that time, the body shop determined there was no mechanical damage to the car. In retrospect, it probably was not a good decision to allow the body shop to make this determination.

Response to your questions:
I wrote to Hyundai's president and his representative at Hyundai America called to advise they need the car to "duplicate" the problem. In other words, continue driving the car and risk hitting another car or even worse, a person or child. They also said they "could not throw money at" (his exact words) every consumer claim. I suspect this is the same type of response Toyota gave drivers who experienced acceleration problems. Unfortunately, when the problem did duplicate, many of those drivers did not live to tell Toyota "I told you so!" It will take Hyundai America over 2 months just to determine whether they will conduct further investigation into the car and/or replace the brakes/sensors on the car and the car will remain benched in the garage.

I saw the Integra waiting at the bottom of the hill while I was at the top of the first hill. And, for the record, I was not on the phone. Had the Integra not been there, I would have rolled directly into the extremely busy, T-intersection at Wilde and San Bruno Avenues. This is the first block of Wilde Avenue, but there's no house facing Wilde on either side of the tiny block so I'm not sure whether it’s numbered the zero or 100 block of Wilde Avenue.

I was not in a rush, so there was no need to speed or drive recklessly. As I wrote, I was on my brakes coming down the hills (a little over .2 tenths mile from the controlled intersection) and the car was moving at approx 15-20 MPH on the hills.

Even though my full-sized car hit a compact-sized car, there was very little damage to either vehicle. It scratched my front bumper and only the right side of his back bumper was pushed out of alignment approximately 1 inch--no dents to either car; further evidence I was not moving fast.

There was nothing under my foot or pedal that restricted either (great question though!) The other driver was angry and his exact words were "Are you even insured?" The car still has the dealer’s new car tags--no plates, so, of course, it is insured.

The brake fluid shouldn't be low because the car's first maintenance is scheduled at 3,000 miles and it only has 2,186 miles. However, I will check the brake fluid because there is still what I thought was an oil puddle on the floor of my garage! I blamed the puddle on the rental car I drove the week the Genesis was in the shop and actually took the rental car agency to task over it. Although the service department said they fully inspected the car, they may not have checked the brake fluid. Thank you for this excellent suggestion! I will get back to you with the result.

Yes, the car would come to a full stop following the accident.

My insurance carrier simply said they cover damage to cars regardless of driver or mechanical error. The adjustor added they recouped very little money from Toyota as a result of those acceleration-related accidents.

SFPD will not come out unless there's a personal injury or death.

This is my only car, so my decision not to drive it has had an EXTREMELY negative impact on my life as I am forced to rely on public transportation and/or rides from friends and co-workers--something I truly HATE. However, without knowing what caused this incident, I know it is the right, RESPONSIBLE decision despite my personal inconvenience. I could sell or trade the car in now; however, it would not be right to allow the next owner to assume such a serious risk. If Hyundai America decides to do nothing, I personally will assume the cost to replace the brakes and sensors and THEN sell the car. At least I will know I will have done everything possible to ensure the car is safe to be on the road. However, I love the car and would like to keep it, so I am very interested in ANY SERIOUS suggestions/questions that may help solve this mystery.

You did not mention the accident in your first post and did you tell Hyundai and your service department about the accident. I would first take the car back to the body shop and let them know what happen. Let them check and see if there was damage to the brake line or was it possible for a piece of the wood to somehow to have become lodged in the brakes and dislodged after the accident. It just seems strange that you had no problems with the brakes until after the car was hit by the board that went up under the car. Good luck and I hope everything works out for you.
 
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It's surprising that HMA didn't agree to help further investigate. At this point you need a competent mechanic to look at the braking system and tell you if there's a leak or some other issue. Is there another Hyundai dealer who'll agree to do this? If not, find an independent mechanic to diagnose the problem, even if you have to pay for this yourself. If they find something, you can use their report to go back to HMA, the body shop, or your dealer and get them to make any necessary repairs.

It's difficult when a car has a problem that doesn't seem to be systemic. (See this thread.) At some point you may need to consult an attorney.
 
Though relevant, for some reason it seemed TMI at the time of my first post—sorry. Hopefully, the additional background will eliminate some of the more flippant, nonproductive posts.

Following the freeway board incident, I took the car to the dealer’s service department to show them the damage and get a body shop referral. However, they did not inspect the car's mechanics; nor did I ask them to. I did apprise HMA of the first accident (and the resulting damages), and also told them I thought the cause of the second problem might be related to an undiagnosed problem resulting from the board damage. HMA responded the dealer's mechanics were trained experts and because they (and the computer) deemed there was nothing wrong with the brakes, there was no real justification to replace the brakes and/or brake sensors. I told them I thought this was not a responsible decision and a classic case of being "penny wise and pound foolish" as they would be just as culpable as me if I drove the car on their recommendation knowing there still could be a problem that affected the car's ability to fully stop and the car actually “duplicated” the incident causing serious injury or death. They stood by their decision.

I am waiting for forms from HMA that will require me to provide details of the incident. Upon reviewing that information, HMA will make a determination as to whether they will conduct further investigation into the car. I was advised it would take 7-10 days to receive the forms and 6-8 weeks for them to make a decision. As I said, during this time the car will not be driven and remain in my garage. To have it inspected by other mechanics would mean having it towed to a mechanic, which could get pretty costly. Considering I probably will have to pay to replace the brakes and/or sensors out of my own pocket, I’d prefer to limit this type of expense until absolutely necessary. I have been advised to contact a product liability lawyer; however, I would prefer to wait for HMA’s determination. If they so no, then I will tow it to a mechanic and pay to have it inspected and/or repaired.

Sadly, I can tell by the cynical nature of some of the posts that many people today are not considered honest and con artists who look for every opportunity to cheat and/or scam any and everyone--I am not one of those people. I simply want to do what’s right and ensure the car is safe to put back on the road.
 
Do you guys remember when so many cars were reported that they kept going even though the owner had their foot planted on the brake? Remember when it was first reported with the Audi, 20 or so years ago? More recently, with Toyota, but not quite the same with the Toyota run away cars.

About a year ago, I came up to an intersection and took my right foot off the gas and put it on the brake. WTF? the car kept going, even with my foot on the brake. Well, it took me all of one second to figure out what happened. My right foot was on both the gas and the brake. (right side of shoe on gas, left side of shoe on brake). What I then did, because it was not a busy intersection, was to just "tilt" my foot to the left, so that the brake had more pressure than the gas. Now, the reason I'm telling you all this, is because I VERY SELDOM USE MY RIGHT FOOT FOR THE BRAKE. I have been a "Left Foot Braker" for fifty years. Very seldom use my right foot, but that day, for some reason, I did. We often hear of "old" people driving into a store, or cafe, or barber shop, when they hit the gas vice the brake. Would not happen if they were left foot brakers.
(Yes, left foot braking is only for automatic transmission cars).

BTW, back when Audi was getting all the "problems", I looked inside an Audi 5000, and saw that the brake was very narrow, and very close to the gas. That was one car that would be very difficult to left foot brake, and also, very easy for your foot to be both on the brake and gas. Just food for thought.
 
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Checked the brake fluid and it seemed within normal ranges; however, the car is leaking a fluid.
 
My recommendation would be to have the car towed to the dealership. Tell them to keep the car, drive it every day for a 3 week period. Tell the owner of the dealership to drive it. See if he/she feels comfortable assuming the risk of driving it. This way someone is looking at the car, they are responsible for the car, and it's not just sitting in your garage doing nothing. Make the dealership responsible. This is a new vehicle, the service techs are trained to know everything about it. Let them do the reasearch instead of waiting on HMA to respond.
 
Checked the brake fluid and it seemed within normal ranges; however, the car is leaking a fluid.

YOU checked the brake fluid or they did? Does the leaking fluid have a color or odor? Leaking from front, back, or middle?

I forget: did you name the dealer who said everything was fine? I also forget: did you have your meeting with the legal team?
 
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