2012 V6 vs 2012 V8?

[elshagon]

I'm finally down to deciding between the 2012 V6 with Tech package and the 2012 V8. I know there's a difference in HP, and the V6 gets 2-3 mpg more, but I keep reading comments saying the 4.6L V8 is a much better. "A much nicer car", "Gives you so much more", "you're an idiot if you buy the 3.8". So I guess these arguments aren't specific enough for me. What specifically does the 2012 4.6 give you that the 3.8 with Tech package doesn't? And what do you like better with the 4.6?

 

[hwks1]

Go drive both.... then report back.

 

[elshagon]

Go drive both.... then report back.

Unfortunately there's only the 4.6 in town or I would. To test drive the 3.8 = a 100 mile drive.

 

[Mark_888]

I'm finally down to deciding between the 2012 V6 with Tech package and the 2012 V8. I know there's a difference in HP, and the V6 gets 2-3 mpg more, but I keep reading comments saying the 4.6L V8 is a much better. "A much nicer car", "Gives you so much more", "you're an idiot if you buy the 3.8". So I guess these arguments aren't specific enough for me. What specifically does the 2012 4.6 give you that the 3.8 with Tech package doesn't? And what do you like better with the 4.6?

You need to understand that many of the people on this forum put an extreme value on excessive horsepower, even when the 200 extra pounds of weight on front wheels makes it much less nimbler than the V6. Why some people want that much horsepower, you can speculate for yourself. But not everyone has the same values when it comes to buying a car, so choose for yourself.

Also, the Genesis 5.0 is now listed on the website, and speculation is that it will replace the 4.6. This is different than the R-Spec model.

 

[BacktoHyundaibychoice]

For $2K difference, why not just get the 4.6? Besides, this is likely the last time you'll see it with the 5.0 being introduced.
But the bottom line is the Tech (as you know).

 

[CC4.6]

I like the torque more than the horse power. It allows low RPMs at higher speeds and on long trips really increase the MPG. I averaged almost 27 mpg on a recent trip from Florida to Ohio and back.

Just my 2¢ though

CC

 

[Mark_888]

I like the torque more than the horse power. It allows low RPMs at higher speeds and on long trips really increase the MPG. I averaged almost 27 mpg on a recent trip from Florida to Ohio and back.

Just my 2¢ though

CC

How can you say that the Genesis V8 gets better HP than the V6. That is absurd.

 

[Mark_888]

For $2K difference, why not just get the 4.6? Besides, this is likely the last time you'll see it with the 5.0 being introduced.
But the bottom line is the Tech (as you know).

Why?

• V6 has closer to 50/50 front/rear weight distribution for better handling (200 extra llbs on front end of V8).
• V6 is 200 lbs lighter and more nimble
• V6 gets 3 MPG better fuel economy on highway
• V6 does not suffer from massive misfires that seem to be common on 4.6 cold starts.
• V6 is $2K less expensive, so can spend the $2K upgrading home video/audio/whatever system
• V6 cost less to insure

 

[BacktoHyundaibychoice]

Why?

• V6 has closer to 50/50 front/rear weight distribution for better handling (200 extra llbs on front end of V8).
• V6 is 200 lbs lighter and more nimble
• V6 gets 3 MPG better fuel economy on highway
• V6 does not suffer from massive misfires that seem to be common on 4.6 cold starts.
• V6 is $2K less expensive, so can spend the $2K upgrading home video/audio/whatever system
• V6 cost less to insure

Because:
1. I had the Tau in my Gen, have the Tau in my Equus. I love it.
2. It's Elshagon's money, not mine. I can spend it any way I want.
3. Has your V6 ever made Ward's Top 10 Engines list?
4. Massive misfires? Common? On cold starts or after cold shutdowns?
5. Finally, Elshagon has been reading this forum for years. What really matters in his case is the Tech package. I'm just happy for him that he's finally pulling the trigger.
Oh. One more:
When the Equus was in for service I had the"pleasure" of being loaned a V6 Genesis. I really missed the V8.

E: I'm outta this thread as there are certain arguments that aren't worth the time. Whatever you decide, I'm sure you'll have no regrets. I just want to know which DVD-A you're gonna play first. And remember: 2 or 3 clicks to the rears!

 

[elshagon]

Because:
1. I had the Tau in my Gen, have the Tau in my Equus. I love it.
2. It's Elshagon's money, not mine. I can spend it any way I want.
3. Has your V6 ever made Ward's Top 10 Engines list?
4. Massive misfires? Common? On cold starts or after cold shutdowns?
5. Finally, Elshagon has been reading this forum for years. What really matters in his case is the Tech package. I'm just happy for him that he's finally pulling the trigger.
Oh. One more:
When the Equus was in for service I had the"pleasure" of being loaned a V6 Genesis. I really missed the V8.

E: I'm outta this thread as there are certain arguments that aren't worth the time. Whatever you decide, I'm sure you'll have no regrets. I just want to know which DVD-A you're gonna play first. And remember: 2 or 3 clicks to the rears!

Thanks for the input from everyone. Once I test drive the 3.8 I'll make up my mind. I like the extra mpg on the 3.8, but that doesn't make up the difference if the 4.6 is indeed a better ride. And the first DVD-A I'll play? Something by Porcupine Tree I imagine, but I kind of like making my own dvd-audio discs with multiple artists. I also authored a dts dvd with over 120 songs on it, so may play that too for variety.

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[elshagon]

And my wife likes both the Genesis and Sonata. The Sonata is about $12k cheaper and gets 35mpg on the freeway. Not nearly as nice as the Genesis and no surround music, but the car was nicer than I'd imagined it to be.

 

[Mark_888]

Because:
1. I had the Tau in my Gen, have the Tau in my Equus. I love it.
2. It's Elshagon's money, not mine. I can spend it any way I want.
3. Has your V6 ever made Ward's Top 10 Engines list?
4. Massive misfires? Common? On cold starts or after cold shutdowns?
5. Finally, Elshagon has been reading this forum for years. What really matters in his case is the Tech package. I'm just happy for him that he's finally pulling the trigger.
Oh. One more:
When the Equus was in for service I had the"pleasure" of being loaned a V6 Genesis. I really missed the V8.

E: I'm outta this thread as there are certain arguments that aren't worth the time. Whatever you decide, I'm sure you'll have no regrets. I just want to know which DVD-A you're gonna play first. And remember: 2 or 3 clicks to the rears!

3. I am not criticizing the Tau engine per se, just saying that it is over-powered for most people (depending on number and size of passengers normally riding in the car). I am sure that there are a lot other engines on the Top 10 list that you would not even consider for the Genesis because they are not an appropriate HP for the car.

4. The massive misfires do not necessarily refer the number of misfires, but the magnitude of the misfire when the engine is restarted after being shut down while still cold (or not completely warmed up. To me (I don't lease cars) I would feel very distressed if it happened to my Genesis. There are numerous threads on this subject, and it is ridiculous to deny it.

 

[cheez]

Why?

V6 has closer to 50/50 front/rear weight distribution for better handling (200 extra llbs on front end of V8).

But the suspension hardware and tuning is inferior to the God R-Spec 5.0.

V6 is 200 lbs lighter and more nimble

But it has much less cowpower and torque.

V6 gets 3 MPG better fuel economy on highway

If you care so muchc about MPG, go get a Sonata Hybrid or some Elantra.

V6 does not suffer from massive misfires that seem to be common on 4.6 cold starts.

I haven't heard of this issue before. Just because some members ran into such issue doesn't mean the 4.6 is known to have this issue.

V6 is $2K less expensive, so can spend the $2K upgrading home video/audio/whatever system

Extra $2k is a bargain for getting the V8 version.

V6 cost less to insure

Once again, Sonata or Elantra will cost less to insure than your "V6" Genesis Sedan.


Most importantly, you need to stop putting down on V8 version Genesis and V8 owners / enthusiasts just because you are justifying for getting the inferior, cheap V6 Genesis Sedan. This is more of anattitude.

And I think you are trolling. Please behave like an adult.

Thanks,

 

[cheez]

Because:
When the Equus was in for service I had the"pleasure" of being loaned a V6 Genesis. I really missed the V8.

That's because the V6 is really, really inferior vehicle. It's crap.

 

[cheez]

And my wife likes both the Genesis and Sonata. The Sonata is about $12k cheaper and gets 35mpg on the freeway. Not nearly as nice as the Genesis and no surround music, but the car was nicer than I'd imagined it to be.

Sonata can't match Genesis Sedan's interior and overall build quality. Sonata uses lots of plastic, more and more plastic. The dash is cheap hard plastic too. Genesis sedan has leather wrapped dash and steering wheel. Everything else in the Genesis Sedan is made of high quality soft, well cushioned to the touch. Even the damn B-piller interior is soft. That's extreme right there. Oh yeah, soft glove box too.

 

[zaksdaddy]

That's because the V6 is really, really inferior vehicle. It's crap.

Wow! Thanks! Glad I visit here every day simply to learn I am an idiot (and from someone who doesn't even own a Genesis).

 

[cheez]

Wow! Thanks! Glad I visit here every day simply to learn I am an idiot (and from someone who doesn't even own a Genesis).

Someone keeps bashing on Genesis V8 and V8 owners / enthusiasts, I will gladly bash V6 Genesis. I can bash more, depending on how much you try to bash V8. you bash less, I will bash less too.


I *almost* bought a Genesis Sedan 4.6 2010 model... the ride was too soft as I came from a Mazdaspeed 3 which has rock hard butt-sore ride.

But I ended up going with a brand new 2011 F-Sport Lexus IS350 which stickers for $46.2k.

That doesn't mean I don't know about Genesis Sedan. I am the teacher, or the councelor. You want to know about Genesis Sedan you ask me.

 

[cheez]

You are getting the V8 (preferably the 5.0 R-Spec) for the following:

- Pride
- 4.6 or 5.0 badge
- Gives attention to car guys. Those Mercedes and BMW owners see "5.0 R-Spec" badge they will immediately be worried. Unless they got a M5 or C63 AMG, you can't beat the Genesis 4.6 and 5.0 in the highways. You will get ass whooped.
- Did I mention power? 0-100 and 0-155. This is the real stuff, not the 0-60 sissy runs.
- Again, power and pride



The 3.8 version uses cheat. It's got shorter gearing at low range of speeds so it will feel like it's got a lot of power from the start. Once you get close to 80 or 100 mark it will loose steam pretty quick. V8 version not only has more power but as more aggressive gearing up top. I said this over and over and over and over and over and over that the Genesis V8 behaves like the Mercedes AMG and BMW M class. 3.8 can't even come close. it's weak and worthless.


For normal Mom and Dad and Grandma and grandpa, the 3.8 will suit. For car enthusiasts and serious race drivers, you need the 4.6 or 5.0 at bare minimum.

 

[mistersteve]

So what sedans fit in the average parking space, don't get beat at a stop light by a Jetta, and don't break the bank when you say you want it "fully loaded"? That's how I came upon the Genesis.

While I haven't driven the 2012 V6 I've had 18 BMW's including recent 750's. I currently own an X5 diesel (had 2 previous X5-4.4 V8's) and a 535i twin-turbo 6 and I just bought a genesis 4.6 (had it about 3 weeks and 700 miles).

When I went in to price and test drive the Genesis I had in mind to get the new 3.8. After all, at $34K it sounded like a bargain. Of course, Hyundai seems to be taking a bit too much from the BMW playbook and not mentioning what it takes to make a real car with a few options. When I priced the 3.8 and added the 2 option packages it came out to $44K. The 4.6 with all the options was a grand or so more. After reading the reviews that said that while the 6 was more efficient and economical the v8 was faster and smoother (and a bit more of a gas guzzler). Since I tend to appreciate brute force when properly applied (and already have a couple diesels if I feel eco-minded), I bought a 2012 4.6. I'll get rid of the 535i in a few months.

So, what do I think?

Well, as I said in an earlier post, my first answer is that if you buy a Genesis thinking that it is a cheaper BMW 535i forget it. My second answer is that if you buy a Genesis 4.6 thinking it is a cheaper BMW 535i, it's OK if you say it with a smile ;-)

Seriously, the Genesis doesn't turn corners or take sharp turns at high speeds as well as a 535i with the optional active roll stabilization (I've never driven one without it) but then again there are very few cars that do. If you want a car that can still make the exit ramp across 3 lanes 150 feet before the ramp while going 75mph, get the 535i. If you want a car that can blow the 3 cars in front of you off the road so you can get around them quickly enough to be in the right lane in time for the exit ramp, get the Genesis 4.6! In my opinion, the absolute handling on the BMW is better. The absolute power and performance of the 4.6 is smoother. You'll never catch the BMW in a race if corners are involved but you'll beat it after the first stop light in the 4.6.

Now, it's quite possible that the 2012 3.8 will do all this just as well and my argument may be one-sided since I haven't driven one. However, the decision to replace my 535i and go with the 4.6 ended up being only about price/performance. As I said, I wanted a fully optioned Genesis and the 4.6 is basically a no-option car (they threw in run-flat tires too). I paid $44K total including tax and license. A 3.8 with the same options would have been about $1500 less.

Steve

 

[Mark_888]

You are getting the V8 (preferably the 5.0 R-Spec) for the following:

- Pride....

One of the 7 deadly sins.