2016 Genesis sedan brakes 3.8

[Mark_888]

Pot, meet kettle... and I'm not telling people how to decide: I'm just giving them info to correct fallacies that might help them decide.

No one said, people don't buy more RWD's. The point was that the difference in fuel economy and associated cost that you were harping on are pretty much negligible for most and AWD does deliver benefits beyond just handing in snow for those who might care. Maybe you'll eventually get those points?

It's not only that I don't agree with the point, it is that virtually everyone else in warm weather climates doesn't agree with you, as evidenced by the very few AWD Genesis sedans sold in those warmer climates.

Yes, there are benefits to AWD in any climate, but the Hyundai H-Track imposes a 4 MPG penalty for highway driving compared to RWD. Certainly, in a climate where it snows that MPG penalty is well-justified, but maybe not in every climate.

 

[Aquineas]

I checked some Hyundai dealers near me (warm weather area, with one or two snow days per year on average) to see how many new AWD Genesis they have in stock:

• Dealer A - 31 Genesis sedan in stock, 30 RWD, 1 AWD
• Dealer B - 12 Genesis sedan in stock, 12 RWD, 0 AWD
• Dealer C - 14 Genesis sedan in stock, 14 RWD, 0 AWD
• Dealer D - 26 Genesis sedan in stock, 26 RWD, 0 AWD

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Wow, that's a lot of unsold inventory.

 

[Nikgen]

It's not only that I don't agree with the point, it is that virtually everyone else in warm weather climates doesn't agree with you, as evidenced by the very few AWD Genesis sedans sold in those warmer climates.

Yes, there are benefits to AWD in any climate, but the Hyundai H-Track imposes a 4 MPG penalty for highway driving compared to RWD. Certainly, in a climate where it snows that MPG penalty is well-justified, but maybe not in every climate.

OK, if $100 on extra fuel on a car that cost $50K'ish is a big deal to some, then so be it - but the 4 mpg "penalty" (on paper), hardly translates into a large $ penalty for most as you seem to want to convince people is that case.

The point that many don't seem to get is that AWD is useful beyond just snow. You referred to the "excellent ECS and traction control on the Genesis RWD". I'd argue that, while functional, it is FAR too aggressive and bogs the car down when it detects any wheel spin. This can create a dangerous situation when pulling out/merging on slick roads. This is where AWD works really well - I'll even give you an example:

On my way to work I have to make a hard left turn (more than 90 degrees) at a "T" intersection where the traffic you are turning/merging into is doing 50+ mph. With my old FWD cars, If I accelerated hard to merge when the road was wet (often), I'd just light up the front tires and have trouble getting up to speed to safely merge - so I'd have to wait until I got a big gap to turn and that could take a while.

With AWD, I figured I'd be good to go - however, if the TCS detects ANY wheel spin it still bogs the car down quite significantly. However, if I just turn off TCS/ECS, the AWD gives me enough traction to accelerate hard and merge with minimal wheelspin - whereas a FWD or RWD with TCS off would light up the wheels and make merging a challenge (and potentially dangerous). That's worth $100 a year to me!

Just food for thought - make your own decisions!

 

[Nikgen]

I checked some Hyundai dealers near me (warm weather area, with one or two snow days per year on average) to see how many new AWD Genesis they have in stock:

• Dealer A - 31 Genesis sedan in stock, 30 RWD, 1 AWD
• Dealer B - 12 Genesis sedan in stock, 12 RWD, 0 AWD
• Dealer C - 14 Genesis sedan in stock, 14 RWD, 0 AWD
• Dealer D - 26 Genesis sedan in stock, 26 RWD, 0 AWD

So it's not just me who thinks the Hyundai H-Track is not worth it in warm climates.

Actually this proves nothing - maybe they sold all the AWD's they had and are sitting on the RWD's because nobody wants them

Also, the fact that HMA did not import any 5.0 AWD models, just goes to show that gas mileage is a factor in many people's decision making.

This is likely more about CAFE requirements - not consumer preferences. I suspect they would have sold more than a few 5.0 AWD's if offered. People do buy lots of AWD Audi's now, don't they? Just a guess, though...

 

[jsmit86]

Come and look at the stock in the snow belt. Overwhelmingly AWD. The "Market" varies.

 

[Nikgen]

Come and look at the stock in the snow belt. Overwhelmingly AWD. The "Market" varies.

Agreed - my point has been that AWD is not really just useful for the snow belt - even though it is largely marketed that way.

 

[Mark_888]

I suspect they would have sold more than a few 5.0 AWD's if offered. People do buy lots of AWD Audi's now, don't they? Just a guess, though...

As I said about 1000 times, a lot of people in the south would buy a Hyundai Genesis AWD if the MPG penalty were only 1 MPG (like Audi and most others), instead of the 4 MPG highway penalty for the Hyundai H-Track.

 

[Mark_888]

Come and look at the stock in the snow belt. Overwhelmingly AWD. The "Market" varies.

I was very clearly talking about warmer climates.

When people ask about buying a Hyundai Genesis RWD in the north, I have advised against it for 7 years on this forum, unless one has other transportation during snow days.

 

[Aquineas]

I'm not really sure why there's so much confusion about this issue. I live in Texas, and if AWD had been available with the V8, I would have gotten AWD as well. AWD has benefits that apply not just in snow. In the rain it makes a big difference as well, at least on the Audis I've driven.

In any case, as always, vote with your wallet and let others do the same.

 

[Jrodg14635]

Hey There, see my post. Im still waiting on rotors. There is a supply shortage. These rotors are going somewhere. This isn't good and I'm sure this is bigger than anyone knows. And Hyundai isn't gonna let this out of the bag on their launch. Brake issues are no joke!

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[srobak]

They are probably in short supply right now due to the 2017 factory run of cars under the new badge. That and there shouldn't have been a lot of people burning through their rotors already in the 2 short years the car has been out. I am sure the supply is being refilled from Korea to the US as you read this.

 

[Jrodg14635]

F.Y.I spoke to the dealer today. They told me that they had elevated the request to its highest level. According to them, There are only TWO (2) rotors for the vehicle in the entire country...WHAT IS GOING ON HERE??????

I don't expect anyone to have a clue, but making all aware!

 

[Mark_888]

F.Y.I spoke to the dealer today. They told me that they had elevated the request to its highest level. According to them, There are only TWO (2) rotors for the vehicle in the entire country...WHAT IS GOING ON HERE??????

I don't expect anyone to have a clue, but making all aware!

Never heard of any rotor problems on the 2009-2014 models, so they probably don't ordinarily stock a lot of them in the USA, and have to order them from Korea. Plus, I wonder if there is something wrong with rotors, or is it some other problem causing them to warp?

 

[jimbo1mcm]

No problem with the brakes on my 2016

 

[danygenesis]

As said in other thread, mine came from factory with problems in all rotors. The dealer had to resurface all of them.

 

[MikeyTG]

Maybe all the replacement rotors were from the same source and had the same problems. Hence they have to refill inventory with new parts.

 

[pmckechnie]

I can think of 2 causes of this problem.

1. Before we closed our shop 4 years ago all aftermarket rotors came from China. 95% of the aftermarket rotors we got were warped. We soon learned to put them on the brake lathe before we put them on the car. The problem of the warped rotors didn't get any better. We begin to refused to use them and would only use dealer parts if the customer would agree. Most of our customer would agree.

2. When I got my 2016 Genesis new it had a brake shudder. I decided to give it a few days to settle in before I returned to the dealer. Also when I got home with the car I noticed it had wheel locks on it. They had to come off. I found the original lug nuts in the trunk (that was nice of them). I removed the locks and put the old lug nuts back on. I then re-torqued all the lug nuts on the car. As I was removing the locks I could tell they were much tighter than the others. After the brakes got hot 2 or 3 times the shudder was gone.
The locks were put on after the car was shipped. Either at the port or at the dealer. Either way, they were not torqued the same as the others lug nuts on the car.

 

[lobsenza]

The single biggest cause of rotor warping are uneven tightening of lug nuts on wheels. Whenever I get my vehicles back from a shop where the wheels are removed, I loosen each lug nut 1 by 1 and retighten with a torque wrench. I started this when I replaced the rotors that continually warped on a 1994 Chrysler LHS. I turned the first set of rotors multiple times and had to replace them at 40,000 miles (still had original brake pads). Once I put the new rotors on, I always hand torqued and never had another warping problem in 130,000 miles.

The only shops I have seen properly torque rotors are Discount Tire and an independent mechanic I use.

 

[dutyron]

I know this is a late response but I too had the same issues after picking up MY 2016 Genesis 3.8 AWD Ultimate earlier in the year I immediately returned it to dealership service center. They ordered new brakes and rotors. It took over a month to get rotors from Hyundai they told me they were back ordered and were coming from Korea! By the time i got the call that the brakes and rotors were in my thudding when applying the brakes was gone! Probably from car sitting and rotors got warped but with hard braking and use it went away on its own. I still had them put in the new pads and rotors so I got almost 2 months brake pad usage out of them! Hope this helps other owners. sorry for the late post.