2017/2018 radio swap in 2016 ultimate?

[Sebastian4k]

I am looking to get carplay/android auto in my 2016 3.8 awd ultimate but unfortunately due to the limitations on the 2016 it is not possible. Will swapping to a 2017/2018 radio that does have carplay compatibility work out? has this been before? Thanks!

 

[skipgen]

I am looking to get carplay/android auto in my 2016 3.8 awd ultimate but unfortunately due to the limitations on the 2016 it is not possible. Will swapping to a 2017/2018 radio that does have carplay compatibility work out? has this been before? Thanks!

I've wondered about this as well... I've gotten no real opinion one way or the other. I would think that it would be physically possible but whether or not the new unit's OS would "play nice" with the rest of the existing systems is an open question. Seems to me that other than CP/AA functionality there would be no real difference otherwise.

But I'm no engineer...

 

[Whitey]

Intriguing thought.
I've sort of gotten used to the 9.2 system in my '16 vs. the 8.0 in the prior '15, but AA and CP would be nice to have. I suspect the cost just to swap would be prohibitive though.

 

[Sebastian4k]

Intriguing thought.
I've sort of gotten used to the 9.2 system in my '16 vs. the 8.0 in the prior '15, but AA and CP would be nice to have. I suspect the cost just to swap would be prohibitive though.

for reference i found this radio on ebay but im not sure if its just as simple as plug and play and hope that all the existing hardware plays nicely with the new radio.. or is there more to it?
OEM 17-19 Hyundai Genesis G80 Navigation Sirius XM Player Radio 96560-B17704X | eBay

 

[Whitey]

for reference i found this radio on ebay but im not sure if its just as simple as plug and play and hope that all the existing hardware plays nicely with the new radio.. or is there more to it?
OEM 17-19 Hyundai Genesis G80 Navigation Sirius XM Player Radio 96560-B17704X | eBay

I'd guess there's more to it than just that. Of course, a simple swap at $149 would cause many of us here to jump on this assuming it would work, but I'm thinking the actual fit, the '15-16 vs '17-19 OS changes, the nav versions on SD card, etc., not even bringing into account the wiring/interaction with existing systems as skip mentioned. I doubt it would be that easy...

 

[skipgen]

I'd guess there's more to it than just that. Of course, a simple swap at $149 would cause many of us here to jump on this assuming it would work, but I'm thinking the actual fit, the '15-16 vs '17-19 OS changes, the nav versions on SD card, etc., not even bringing into account the wiring/interaction with existing systems as skip mentioned. I doubt it would be that easy...

Yeah... they don't say which unit that it is. Jog wheel or Android touch screen only. That'd make a big difference.

 

[Mr. Incredible]

that appears to be the jog dial unit. as it has the DISP to the right of the CD slot, where the touch only has the SETUP button:

jog dial radio:

Touch Radio:

What you would need to look at to begin with, is whether or not the rear connectors are the same between the 2015-2017 and the 2018-2019 units.


if the connectors are all the same, the next question will be, are the pinouts in the connectors the same, and to know that you would need to get ahold of the service manual and electrical diagrams for the different years in order to compare.

if the pinouts are different, but they both contain the same wiring (just in different places) that is pretty easy to adjust, just move the pins to the correct locations.

if the pinouts are different, i.e. they contain (or don't contain) the same wiring and there is additional (or removed) leads, then likely some type of converter box will be needed in between the car and the radio in order to translate the data in a manner the radio and car can understand. Something like the old "lockpick" devices that where created so that pre 2008 Chryslers could use the >2008 Navigation systems.

 

[Sebastian4k]

By the looks of it they are next to identical!

G80 Radio:


2016 Radio:

 

[skipgen]

For a $150 bucks it might be worth a shot.... I kinda really doubt the wiring interfaces are different. At the end of the day, the rest of the car is the same. The H/U just has more functionality. Unless there's something in the wiring bus that would identify it as an incompatible component and refuse to communicate with it.

Short version - we won't know until it's tried.

 

[Mr. Incredible]

For a $150 bucks it might be worth a shot.... I kinda really doubt the wiring interfaces are different. At the end of the day, the rest of the car is the same. The H/U just has more functionality. Unless there's something in the wiring bus that would identify it as an incompatible component and refuse to communicate with it.

Short version - we won't know until it's tried.

this is true..


there are significant differences between the jog dial and touch only (to be expected) looking at the back, the jog dial has extra connectors the touch only doesn't have and the main ones appear to even be a different shape.


but apples to apple the 2015 --> 2018 "should" be the same. the difference as I understand it is the mainboard in the unit, different piece of hardware taking different firmware (windows CE based unit in 2015-2017 and Linux/Android Based in 2018+) .


all things being equal, if all the connectors are the same, the only real difference might be the mainboard and firmware, then there is no reason it shouldn't work.


my concern would be things like the backup sensors, camera, etc. if the other modules on the BUS need something in that old HU that they can't find they may not work, don't really know if Hyundai changed the programming to accommodate the newer HU and different OS.

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[skipgen]

this is true..


there are significant differences between the jog dial and touch only (to be expected) looking at the back, the jog dial has extra connectors the touch only doesn't have and the main ones appear to even be a different shape.


but apples to apple the 2015 --> 2018 "should" be the same. the difference as I understand it is the mainboard in the unit, difference piece of hardware taking different firmware (windows CE based unit in 2015-2017 and Linux/Android Based in 2018+) .


all things being equal, if all the connectors are the same, the only real difference might be the mainboard and firmware, then there is no reason it shouldn't work.


my concern would be things like the backup sensors, camera, etc. if the other modules on the BUS need something in that old HU that they can't find they may not work, don't really know if Hyundai changed the programming to accommodate the newer HU and different OS.

Well... the H/U doesn't look too tough to get to -

 

[Whitey]

Sebastian can TOFTT and buy it and try it, lol. Then we will all know!

If it works, I can already see the mad scramble to find replacement units.

 

[Sebastian4k]

Sebastian can TOFTT and buy it and try it, lol. Then we will all know!

If it works, I can already see the mad scramble to find replacement units.

sure ill give it a shot. To everyone out there.. send a small donation my way for R&D purposes lol.
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[Sebastian4k]

Thanks to Whitey i bought the radio.. Will keep everyone posted with an install/pics when received. Expected arrival Oct. 2nd. Will this be the answer to us Ultimate owners for AA/CP?? Stay tuned and find out..! and donate for the cause at my cashapp listed above!

 

[Mr. Incredible]

good luck

 

[Whitey]

Thanks to Whitey i bought the radio.. Will keep everyone posted with an install/pics when received. Expected arrival Oct. 2nd. Will this be the answer to us Ultimate owners for AA/CP?? Stay tuned and find out..! and donate for the cause at my cashapp listed above!

I was just about to post that it looks like someone pulled the trigger, as the eBay auction ended, lol.

I was poking around on HyundaiPartsDeal.com to quickly check and says it won't fit my '16, but that's to be expected on a parts site. The listed price for that is just under $3.5k (see below), so should this miraculously work I'd say you got the deal of the century. We shall soon see.

 

[Secondgensedan]

thanks for trying this out. sent ya a few $ for your time and effort on this. interested to see if this works. i have my doubts, but if it does... !!!!

 

[Markymark]

thanks for trying this out. sent ya a few $ for your time and effort on this. interested to see if this works. i have my doubts, but if it does... !!!!

If it works, "The Force is strong in this one."

 

[skipgen]

Thanks to Whitey i bought the radio.. Will keep everyone posted with an install/pics when received. Expected arrival Oct. 2nd. Will this be the answer to us Ultimate owners for AA/CP?? Stay tuned and find out..! and donate for the cause at my cashapp listed above!

It would be nice to have my theory confirmed.... I wondered about this & started a post about this several months ago after I bought my 5.0.

Fingers Crossed.

 

[skipgen]

I was just about to post that it looks like someone pulled the trigger, as the eBay auction ended, lol.

I was poking around on HyundaiPartsDeal.com to quickly check and says it won't fit my '16, but that's to be expected on a parts site. The listed price for that is just under $3.5k (see below), so should this miraculously work I'd say you got the deal of the century. We shall soon see.

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Might be more to be had... The sites on ebay rarely state specifics on whether it's jog wheel or not.