2017 G90 5.0L Reliability?

[YEH]

Or lack of capability to separate facts from opinion

But hey...to each their own....

Warren

Funny how the S Class is a luxo barge until you get into the AMGs.

 

[YEH]

And yet owners at Edmonds have different reviews

Used 2018 Lexus LS 500 Consumer Reviews - 24 Car Reviews | Edmunds

View all 24 consumer vehicle reviews for the Used 2018 Lexus LS 500 on Edmunds, or submit your own review of the 2018 LS 500.

www.edmunds.com

Here are some JD Power actual owners as well

2018 Lexus LS LS 500 AWD Ratings, Pricing, Reviews & Awards

Get accurate pricing information for 2018 Lexus LS LS 500 AWD, and explore other options.

www.jdpower.com

That Consumer reports lost me when it said the Genesis G90 " felt quicker"....when it actually wasnt versus the LS500 in 0-60 or 1/4 mile

Here is US News 4.5 star out of 5 in reliability

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/lexus/ls/2019/reliability

I am more interested in facts...

Warren

Feeling quicker and actually being quicker are 2 different things and can depend on transmission programming/shift speeds, etc.

Both MT and C/D got the same naught to 60 time for both turbo-6s, so it's entirely feasible that one can feel quicker.

 

[GnatGoSplat]

I don't think I'd depend on Edmunds reviews for useful reliability info anyway. The G90 is on the short list if what I might get for my wife, but I had planned to get a 2016 BMW 750i for myself. The Edmunds reviews look pretty good, similar rating (4.2) as that 2018 Lexus LS:

2016 BMW 7 Series Review & Ratings | Edmunds

Edmunds' expert review of the Used 2016 BMW 7 Series provides the latest look at trim-level features and specs, performance, safety, and comfort. At Edmunds we drive every car we review, performing road tests and competitor comparisons to help you find your perfect car. Read the full in-depth...

www.edmunds.com

However, I asked about them on their forums and got a very different response than most in this thread. Lots of foreboding warnings about how I should run away (or invest heavily in a very good aftermarket warranty). Most Youtube videos seem to echo that sentiment.

 

[turnne]

Oh, so you CAN'T find the "many more places" like Edmunds as you originally claimed and continue in your feeble attempts to discredit Consumer Reports. Thanks for proving my point. A certain ex-president would welcome you on his legal team.


Yes please, be sure to also include the relevant portions that measure reliability for the fuel system, engine components, brakes, body integrity, and so on like the criteria established in Consumer Reports. Oh wait... where are those on Edmunds?

Oh wait....

I am still waiting on those "hundreds if not thousands" of LS500 owners you mentioned from Consumer reports

I cannot wait to see those "hundreds if not thousands" of LS500 owners you mentioned specifically

Warren

 

[YEH]

What???
The Lexus LS500 has below average reliability?.....Please post links to those stats because I have heard its quite the opposite

I have not seen you post anything that unhinged since you said used Tellurides were going for sticker or that they were the most expensive vehicle in the Kia showroom!!


The Lexus LS is a different type of car...There is no V8

But the finish, technology and customization options are at a higher level than the G90......and so is the cost ,new or used
The Lexus LS500 is also faster 0-60 and in the Quarter mile than the V8 G90...if one cares about those stats
www.carindigo.com...is the source of the performance stats

Neither vehicle compares to the twin turbo V8's and V12's, performance wise, of the Germans full size sedans...but that is completely different ball park of money
Like I have posted many times...that buyer wants absolutely cutting edge technology and customization
Something that the Germans excel at

Warren

Kia's latest entrant in the competitive mid-size-SUV segment–the handsome Telluride–is proving quite popular. According to a new report from Cox Automotive, it appears to be luring moneyed buyers to the value brand's showrooms.

As first reported by Cars Direct, the Telluride's average transaction price since going on sale eight months ago is over $40,000, meaning most buyers are going with the top-spec SX trim or spending money on options for the midrange EX. Although base Telluride LX models start at just $32,785, the EX and SX start at $38,185 and $42,585 respectively.

Kia Telluride Rakes In Profit as Customers Are Buying Them Loaded

Kia's mid-size SUV is selling for an average of $40,000 and up, showing the brand is not just for bargain hunters anymore.

www.caranddriver.com

That's a higher ATP than the Acura brand.

Kia Vastly Underestimated Demand For The Telluride SUV - Jalopnik

Kia’s initial production plans for its new Kia Telluride three-row SUV were 60,000 units built per year. With actual production capacity now peaking at 100,000 units and still not enough cars to meet demand, Telluride buyers are going to have to wait.

jalopnik.com

There are still regions where the Telluride SXP is going for $6k+ above MSRP; you don't think a lightly used model would go for MSRP?

It's actual Telluride buyer and sellers who are stating that; the sellers being Telluride owners who trade in after a year (or less) to move up to a higher trim, get the upgraded trailer hitch, etc., see the dealer slap on MSRP pricing (or higher) and see it being sold within a week.

From a Telluride owner...

Just out of curiosity I looked on CarMax the other day for Tellurides (nationwide search) and about two dozen showed, most of them the base LX trim. All of them, with low-ish 10-40k mileage on them, cost more than we paid for our brand new "S" ride in early summer after they first hit the market. I know that CarMax isn't the cheapest way to buy cars but that still suprised me. So, yeah, trade-in value should be very strong still.

And that's for the LX trim which is least in demand.

 

[turnne]

Feeling quicker and actually being quicker are 2 different things and can depend on transmission programming/shift speeds, etc.

Both MT and C/D got the same naught to 60 time for both turbo-6s, so it's entirely feasible that one can feel quicker.

Does it matter if something " feels quicker".....that is such a subjective number
Five people could have different opinions about "feels quicker"


A quicker 0-60 and 1/4 mile time is actually quicker

Warren

 

[Backslack]

Oh wait....

I am still waiting on those "hundreds if not thousands" of LS500 owners you mentioned from Consumer reports

I cannot wait to see those "hundreds if not thousands" of LS500 owners you mentioned specifically

Warren

Right, instead you found 20 3-sentence reviews on a used car site and deem it more trustworthy than Consumer Reports. No sorry, continue to complain about the fake ballots-er owners.

What's even more funny was how you linked J.D. Power earlier where they rank Genesis as being the most reliable car brand above Lexus.

 

[Backslack]

Does it matter if something " feels quicker".....that is such a subjective number
Five people could have different opinions about "feels quicker"


A quicker 0-60 and 1/4 mile time is actually quicker

Warren

Feel free to keep moving those goalposts, mate

From a performance standpoint, the Genesis G90 splits the difference between the Lexus and Bimmer. The Hyundai-sourced 3.3-liter twin-turbo V-6, sporting 365 hp and 376 lb-ft of torque, helps get the G90 from 0 to 60 mph in 5.3 seconds, tying the LS 500.

BMW 740e vs. Lexus LS 500 vs. Genesis G90 3.3T vs. Lincoln Continental 3.0

If you're looking for a $100,000 luxury sedan, should you choose the BMW 740e plug-in, Lexus LS 500, Lincoln Continental 3.0, or Genesis G90 3.3T?

www.motortrend.com

 

[turnne]

Kia Telluride Rakes In Profit as Customers Are Buying Them Loaded

Kia's mid-size SUV is selling for an average of $40,000 and up, showing the brand is not just for bargain hunters anymore.

www.caranddriver.com

That's a higher ATP than the Acura brand.

Kia Vastly Underestimated Demand For The Telluride SUV - Jalopnik

Kia’s initial production plans for its new Kia Telluride three-row SUV were 60,000 units built per year. With actual production capacity now peaking at 100,000 units and still not enough cars to meet demand, Telluride buyers are going to have to wait.

jalopnik.com

There are still regions where the Telluride SXP is going for $6k+ above MSRP; you don't think a lightly used model would go for MSRP?

I would hope something new is going for closer to sticker
You realize there are more expensive vehicles in this class that are selling in more volume...right?

....What dealerships..specifically...have sold a used Telluride for sticker?

certainly not in the 2 states I spend a lot of time in

Indiana, Texas

When you posted that originally I looked nationally at cars.com....lots of used ones discounted

I guess someone could pay sticker for a used one.....sucker born every minute?

Where exactly is a Telluride going for 6K above MSRP?

Seriously..you can move a car across country for $2000 and these Tellurides are certainly not going for sticker in any I state I have been in..or travel to

Hard to believe in this day of the internet age..that people dont shop better
But I guess anything is possible

Warren

 

[turnne]

Right, instead you found 20 3-sentence reviews on a used car site and deem it more trustworthy than Consumer Reports. No sorry, continue to complain about the fake ballots-er owners.

What's even more funny was how you linked J.D. Power earlier where they rank Genesis as being the most reliable car brand above Lexus.

LMFAO.....and how more vehicles, in the line up, does Lexus have than Genesis
And how many more hundreds of thousand of vehicles does Lexus sell that Genesis does not?

Wow...seriously?!
Lexus sold over 300K vehicles in the United States in 2020....Genesis sold about 16,000
But..you saw another link I posted. Thats a step in the right direction

baby steps........

But..I am still waiting for the "hundreds if not thousands" of LS500 owners you mentioned?

Warren

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[turnne]

Feel free to keep moving those goalposts, mate

BMW 740e vs. Lexus LS 500 vs. Genesis G90 3.3T vs. Lincoln Continental 3.0

If you're looking for a $100,000 luxury sedan, should you choose the BMW 740e plug-in, Lexus LS 500, Lincoln Continental 3.0, or Genesis G90 3.3T?

www.motortrend.com

what goal posts am I moving?

2021 Lexus LS 500 0-60 and Quarter Mile Times | CarIndigo.com

Find out about the 0-60 and quarter-mile timings along with the braking performance of the 2021 Lexus LS 500

www.carindigo.com

2021 Genesis G90 0-60 and Quarter Mile Times | CarIndigo.com

Find out about the 0-60 and quarter-mile timings along with the braking performance of the 2021 Genesis G90

www.carindigo.com

Warren

 

[Backslack]

LMFAO.....and how more vehicles, in the line up, does Lexus have than Genesis
And how many more hundreds of thousand of vehicles does Lexus sell that Genesis does not?

Wow...seriously?!
Lexus sold over 300K vehicles in the United States in 2020....Genesis sold about 16,000
But..you saw another link I posted. Thats a step in the right direction

baby steps........

But..I am still waiting for the "hundreds if not thousands" of LS500 owners you mentioned?

Warren

I see you didn't take basic statistics in high school. A larger sample size reduces error, not increase it. If all Lexus had to assess reliability with was the LS500, the entire brand would be at the bottom of the barrel in JDP's list.

You can keep pretending that CR's LS500 owners are fake news all you want, and in response I'll keep asking you for the "many more places" like Edmunds as you originally claimed. The difference is though is that nobody other than someone attempting to troll would ever consider Edmunds more trustworthy than Consumer Reports.

 

[Backslack]

what goal posts am I moving?

2021 Lexus LS 500 0-60 and Quarter Mile Times | CarIndigo.com

Find out about the 0-60 and quarter-mile timings along with the braking performance of the 2021 Lexus LS 500

www.carindigo.com

2021 Genesis G90 0-60 and Quarter Mile Times | CarIndigo.com

Find out about the 0-60 and quarter-mile timings along with the braking performance of the 2021 Genesis G90

www.carindigo.com

Warren

Manufacture specs =/= real world testing under the same conditions like in Motor Trend's test. Sorry I have to explain such a basic concept to you.

 

[YEH]

Does it matter if something " feels quicker".....that is such a subjective number
Five people could have different opinions about "feels quicker"


A quicker 0-60 and 1/4 mile time is actually quicker

Warren

We're talking marginally. Lol

Not enough to make a material difference.

A Miata can feel quicker than a V6 Camey, even if it's not.

And considering that MT and C/D got the same times despite the G90 having less power, that likely means the Genesis made up for it with quicker shifts (sluggish shifting is a common criticism of Toyota/Lexus models).

 

[YEH]

I would hope something new is going for closer to sticker
You realize there are more expensive vehicles in this class that are selling in more volume...right?

....What dealerships..specifically...have sold a used Telluride for sticker?

certainly not in the 2 states I spend a lot of time in

Indiana, Texas

When you posted that originally I looked nationally at cars.com....lots of used ones discounted

I guess someone could pay sticker for a used one.....sucker born every minute?

Where exactly is a Telluride going for 6K above MSRP?

Seriously..you can move a car across country for $2000 and these Tellurides are certainly not going for sticker in any I state I have been in..or travel to

Hard to believe in this day of the internet age..that people dont shop better
But I guess anything is possible

Warren

Yes, because unless YOU'VE seen it, it can't possibly be true. Lol

The reality in Austin is that a used 20 EX (10K miles) is going for $42k and a loaded 21 SX is more like $57k+. I test drove one MSRP-stickered at $53k but dealer price was $63k. Wondering if that extra kit is worth the $10-20k.

Now, this doesn't necessarily hold for the rest of the state, but right next door...

Dealers around us (NW Arkansas) are charging 20% above MSRP. One dealer is buying slightly used 2021 Tellurides from Florida with ~1,000 miles on them and still tacking on an up charge.
We drove a couple hours down the road and ordered SX Prestige Nightfall without the up charge.

 

[[NOBODY]]

Or lack of capability to separate facts from opinion

But hey...to each their own....

Warren

Again with the insults and lying. Good for you. You are so cool.

 

[Regor60]

"Here is this random used car sales site with a handful of customer reviews, it is more factually valid than a decades-spanning non-profit industry-recognized organization that specializes in measuring specific reliability issues with cars." -turnne

Please go troll elsewhere.

I was going to say don't feed this troll. He has quite the reputation

 

[NickinSimi]

Thanks for that input, good info. I am not sure what it entails on the G90 but along with your info and everything else I am hearing, it is a big deal. I have RWD so at least that's a plus.

Got my car back from the dealer and was told that the oil leak was sealed, I asked, what does that mean and could not get a straight answer as to what was done. Brought my car home and within a few hours noticed a couple of drops of oil, it was still leaking but not as bad, but still leaking. brought it back to the dealer and after a couple of days was told that the timing chain cover was leaking and would require to remove the front bumper assembly to access the chain cover, a big job and it would take 6 to 7 days. I am rapidly losing my confidence in this vehicle and as I had stated in my first post, I only have 27,400 miles on it, crazy.

 

[skipgen]

I have g90 ultimate 2018. It has a TSB about oring leak. I experienced this with all fluid gone while on freeway. Wonderful vehicle, service sucks. One of major Phoenix dealerships just dropped the line due to poor sales, they can't support Genesis requirement of separate brick and mortar and separate service staff. I turn my lease in next month - only has 16,000 miles.

I've had the O-ring transmission coolant pipe thing happen to my 2015 G80 5.0. It is literally a .50 cent part. Since I'm 2nd owner, my Indie tech is going to take care of it. My leak is just a dribble though - literally only needed a 1/2 cup of coolant a month to keep it topped off. I've been driving it that way for nearly a year... No biggie, haven't really been able to go anywhere anyway.

I think that it would have lasted longer if an employee at a different shop hadn't been overzealous about pressure testing my coolant system... but that's just a theory.

 

[YEH]

As expected, the Telluride wins the KBB Best Resale Value Award -

Kia Telluride Wins 2021 Kelley Blue Book Best Resale Value Award

/PRNewswire/ -- The Kia Telluride has won the 2021 Kelley Blue Book Best Resale Value Award in the 3-Row Midsize SUV category. The award recognizes models with...

www.prnewswire.com

And as noted by Gurgeh, the G90 is awarded the IHS Markit's Automotive Loyalty Award.