Alternatives to G70?

[devellis]

I was in the market for a g70, really like the look of the car and it’s likely to be a bargain v/s the German competition. I owned a 335i BMW and while I loved the car, out of warranty ownership is a no no . I test drove the Stinger 5-6 times, even drove a lap3 tuned version that the dealership sales manager had set up. I went and drove an 18 Mustang GT with the active exhaust, a10 and premium interior. I bought the car and got $7200 off sticker and 1.9 apr financing. The performance difference was drastic compared to the stock stinger GT2 and was very noticable against a level 2 tuned stinger GT2 AWD. The Mustang will spin its tires all the way to 60 easy in drag mode with traction control turned off. Lots of people are getting sub 4 second 0-60 and upper 11 second 1/4 mile times bone stock with zero upgrades. Multiple magazine test confirm this. My 401a equipped Mustang interior is really close to the Stinger gt2, the seats are just as nice, as is the leather, the dash and infotainment is better in the Mustang. The digital dash is awesome and customizable. There are some cheaper plastics in a few areas of the Mustang though. The Mustang transmission shifts much faster and more crisp. To be fair, the new 10 speed in the Mustang is far and away the best transmission I have ever driven, it is awesome. That was my only real gripe with the Stinger, the transmission was kinda lazy, like something that’s should be in a camry. The transmission in the G70 hopefully is recalibrated to give a more sporting experience. The Mustang is also on another level regarding handling compared to the Stinger, the Mustang is much more engaged, offers a lot more grip, and overall is much more enjoyable to drive if you are the sporting type. This is to be expected since the 2 cars are really in different classes. The exhaust note on the Mustang is pure sex, I get compliments everywhere, from Ruth’s Crisp to Wal Mart! I can also get 27 mpg on the open road at 65-70 mph. The Mustang GT is not for everyone, this car is stupid fast and if you don’t respect it you can get in trouble in a hurry. The back seats are only for short trips unless you are 5ft 2 or shorter. Cops watch every move you make and every car on the road wants to challenge you.
I think the G70 will be my choice if I ever decide to get a 4 door car, I can’t wait to see the reviews come in for the US spec version. As a daily driver with family considerations the G70 is hard to beat for the price. Even if it is only slightly faster than the Stinger it will be plenty fast enough because the Stinger is already an impressive performer. Can’t wait to see you guys post pictures and impressions once you get your cars.

Yeah, I had a similar reaction to the new Mustang. Far more refined than I expected in the top trim, while still having the performance capabilities of a pure beast. Its limitations, like the rear seat I wouldn't put my worst enemy in and the lack of a HUD, really aren't major considerations for me. Giving up AWD would be a bigger issue, although here in North Carolina, we don't need it all that often. It's definitely still on my consideration list, especially if the G70 comes in at too high a price. It's as much fun to drive as any car I've ever driven, and I've driven a bunch. I think I'd prefer living with the G70 on a day-to-day basis but I could definitely get used to the Mustang if the G70 prices itself out of contention. The Mustang has really evolved over the past few model years and offers a lot more than it did even a few years ago.

 

[stingermang]

Yeah, I had a similar reaction to the new Mustang.

Bullitt.

 

[KDX]

The Mustang and the G70 are two totally different cars. The upcoming Genesis coupe (whenever that is) would be a closer comparison.

 

[stingermang]

The Mustang and the G70 are two totally different cars. The upcoming Genesis coupe (whenever that is) would be a closer comparison.

Of course they are...I was just responding to the observation with the Mustang I liked best. I'm not in the market for a Mustang, though...

mang.

 

[devellis]

The Mustang and the G70 are two totally different cars.

Yes, they are. But people may (and evidently do) cross-shop them. As I said in another post, I think some people have a lot of flexibility across categories like sedans, coupes, and crossovers. Someone may start with one in mind but switch to another. In some respects, the Mustang and the G70 have as much in common as the G70 and a front-wheel-drive Lexus. But I bet people cross shop those, too.

 

[KDX]

Yes, they are. But people may (and evidently do) cross-shop them. As I said in another post, I think some people have a lot of flexibility across categories like sedans, coupes, and crossovers. Someone may start with one in mind but switch to another. In some respects, the Mustang and the G70 have as much in common as the G70 and a front-wheel-drive Lexus. But I bet people cross shop those, too.

A two door Lexus or a four door Lexus? A luxury sports sedan or a (Mustang) sports car?

 

[randian]

Maserati Ghiblis are leasing for $579 in my market (SE Florida), significantly less than you could lease a Stinger (or G70, if Genesis adopts Kia’s high money factor) for.

 

[EdP]

Maserati Ghiblis are leasing for $579 in my market (SE Florida), significantly less than you could lease a Stinger (or G70, if Genesis adopts Kia’s high money factor) for.

Liver is cheaper than prime rib too, but I'm still not buying it. Could be Maserati needs to move cars so they are offering cheap. I'm not interested in one at any price.

 

[Beefer]

I always mentioned that I would go with an S5 Sportback if anything went bad with the G70 launch/pricing. Essentially...I call it a baby A7/S7...which I think is one of the hottest cars out there. Especially the R S7

Anyhoo...I don't get out much apparently...but I saw an S5 Sportback for the first time in person yesterday. F'me...what a sexy hot car. I am an Audi guy...have owned many...and currently have an A4.

I know that optioned out it is $15-20K USD more than a loaded 3.3T...so Genesis would have to F'up real bad for me to go there.

Anyhoo...just rambling. I know there are 1 or 2 S5 Sportback peeps on here looking to go to the Genesis. Why ?!?!?!!? LOL

 

[BlancaGenny]

Maserati Ghiblis are leasing for $579 in my market (SE Florida), significantly less than you could lease a Stinger (or G70, if Genesis adopts Kia’s high money factor) for.

I'd buy one in a heartbeat. There's a deal on autotrader for a Ghibli - $357/mo 10k miles f/3yrs. Granted it's $12k down but who cares. It's a pretty car

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[ACCHRM]

I'd buy one in a heartbeat. There's a deal on autotrader for a Ghibli - $357/mo 10k miles f/3yrs. Granted it's $12k down but who cares. It's a pretty car

I hope you like half of the interior shared with a Dodge Dart then, just go look at a honest review on the car, Doug Demuro has a pretty good one explaining how cheap the car is made. Maserati is not what it used to be.

 

[Ed Okin]

True that we do't have to figure it out, but if we bought a Genesis, it was acceptable value for the product.

There are still a handful of owners that are not happy with the dealer experience but still like their car. Not one of them though, has said "I wish I paid $2000 more from a dealer that has a nicer waiting area" It is what it is and fancy stuff will cost more.

Personally, I'm content going to a dealer that also sells Hyundai and saving some money. If they build a local Genesis dealer and the price goes up, I can't say for sure my next car will be a Genesis. You don't get the Lexus experience at Corolla prices. It will probably be a couple of years before we see what will happen.

I don’t need fancy stuff at the dealer...I’d prefer to stay away from the place altogether. One thing I have not seen mentioned on these forums (and maybe I missed it) is what I understand to be the non-dealer “Genesis comes to you” buying experience. Most people want to pay a fair, no hassle price for a car and avoid all thr dealer theatrics. Thankfully, my local Hyundai dealer gave me a great no-hassle experience although they are probably an exception, sadly.

 

[Ed Okin]

Don't know what you're smoking...

Genesis G70 184.4" long, 15.6 gallon gas tank and 3913 lbs
Genesis G80 196.5" long, 20.3 gallon gas tank and 4674 lbs

The Genesis G70 is about the same size as the Kia Stinger. The G70 might be more fun to drive, especially if you get the stick shift. Based on the data above, it may get a few more MPG and it certainly will be several hundred dollars less expensive.

My G80 Sport is the biggest car I've ever owned and I find myself having to take care, maneuvering into parking spots. That's one area that I would prefer the G70, but that's less than 1% of my driving and I'll take the G80 over the G70 in a heartbeat.

It will be interesting to see how Hyundai will market the G70. It appears that up in Canada there are a lot of choices to make verses the marketing strategy in the US for the G80 where there are 2 major packages with the Sport loaded with all of the 2 major packages plus other standard equipment. The FULL MEAL DEAL.

Thank you Starflyer for providing some hepful facts. A lot of us are on this forum to learn from current Genesis owners and educate ourselves based on information you all provide. I appreciate the info everyone posts.

 

[devellis]

I don’t need fancy stuff at the dealer...I’d prefer to stay away from the place altogether. One thing I have not seen mentioned on these forums (and maybe I missed it) is what I understand to be the non-dealer “Genesis comes to you” buying experience. Most people want to pay a fair, no hassle price for a car and avoid all thr dealer theatrics. Thankfully, my local Hyundai dealer gave me a great no-hassle experience although they are probably an exception, sadly.

While not all dealerships are there, it seems more and more are figuring out that all that wrangling over price isn't the experience that most customers are looking for. One dealership I visited recently made a point of saying that their parent company (which operates multiple dealerships across a variety of brands) trains its personnel in the Disney model that emphasizes customer satisfaction. The dealership I bought my last car from similarly takes a very straightforward approach to its interactions with customers and its pricing policies.

If prices are fundamentally fair, many buyers would rather not get into a big haggling session and waste half a day to save another $150. Given what they're spending, that's a small cost improvement in exchange for a potentially unpleasant experience. More and more dealers seem to be recognizing this. What customers really are averse to is being taken advantage of. If people feel that they've been screwed over, they are not going to be happy, irrespective of how accurate that perception may be. Haggling creates many opportunities for customers to feel abused. If a customer finds that someone got the same car for $150 more or less than they paid, I think they're likely to be indifferent. They may chalk it up to some minor difference between how the two cars were equipped or just not care. If they find out someone paid $1000 less, they're pretty incensed. They are likely to realize that they have been played, not feel good about it. Although they may be reluctant to tell their friends how badly they got taken, they won't be shy about bad-mouthing the dealership and sales person more generally. A fair (and uniform) price offered up front, with perhaps a little room for civilized discussion, is ultimately in both parties' interests. Cars get sold, dealerships get recommendations, sales people get productivity bonuses, and customers go home happy.

 

[BlancaGenny]

I hope you like half of the interior shared with a Dodge Dart then, just go look at a honest review on the car, Doug Demuro has a pretty good one explaining how cheap the car is made. Maserati is not what it used to be.

Hence the deals you can get. It reminds me ever so slighty of the base Guilia. I want one but I can't exactly tell you why. Maserati has always been an outcast but I think it has depth and character just like Alfa. Audi, BMW, and MB are too mainstream. I would only get one it it is a performance model (RS7, M5, AMG) but the money for them is eye-watering.

 

[Toddasaurus]

Just curious, is anybody in here also considering an Alfa Romeo Giulia? Specifically, I've been eyeing the Giulia Ti Sport w/LSD and adjustable dampers.

I've read that the 280hp figure is very conservative. Also, the mpg and lighter weight are attractive.

It seems like an in-between the G70 2.0T sport and 3.3T sport, in terms of performance and price.

Just to illustrate...
G70 2.0T Sport 0-60: ~7.4 seconds
Giulia 2.0T 0-60: 5.1 seconds
G70 3.3T Sport: 4.5 seconds

FYI: I got the G70 6spd 0-60 time from Alex on Autos' YouTube review.

 

[kmooney4]

Just curious, is anybody in here also considering an Alfa Romeo Giulia? Specifically, I've been eyeing the Giulia Ti Sport w/LSD and adjustable dampers.

I've read that the 280hp figure is very conservative. Also, the mpg and lighter weight are attractive.

It seems like an in-between the G70 2.0T sport and 3.3T sport, in terms of performance and price.

Just to illustrate...
G70 2.0T Sport 0-60: ~7.4 seconds
Giulia 2.0T 0-60: 5.1 seconds
G70 3.3T Sport: 4.5 seconds

FYI: I got the G70 6spd 0-60 time from Alex on Autos' YouTube review.

From what I understand, the Alfa's are not the best reliability wise. They are beautiful cars (I'm not a fan at all of the triangle grill in the front, but that's just personal preference)

 

[KDX]

Just curious, is anybody in here also considering an Alfa Romeo Giulia? Specifically, I've been eyeing the Giulia Ti Sport w/LSD and adjustable dampers.

I've read that the 280hp figure is very conservative. Also, the mpg and lighter weight are attractive.

It seems like an in-between the G70 2.0T sport and 3.3T sport, in terms of performance and price.

Just to illustrate...
G70 2.0T Sport 0-60: ~7.4 seconds
Giulia 2.0T 0-60: 5.1 seconds
G70 3.3T Sport: 4.5 seconds

FYI: I got the G70 6spd 0-60 time from Alex on Autos' YouTube review.

Car and Driver has the 2.0 Stinger AWD at 6.1 seconds 0-60 and Motor Trend has the RWD at 6.6 seconds. The G70 is lighter, so it should be quicker.

 

[Toddasaurus]

Car and Driver has the 2.0 Stinger AWD at 6.1 seconds 0-60 and Motor Trend has the RWD at 6.6 seconds. The G70 is lighter, so it should be quicker.

Was referring to the 6spd, not the auto. Though it certainly sounds like Alex's estimate is pretty dang conservative.

 

[BlancaGenny]

Just curious, is anybody in here also considering an Alfa Romeo Giulia?

I was looking for a 4 door sedan before January and immidiately took it off my list. Why you ask? There isn't an Alfa dealer for more than 350 miles. Also considered a 300 SRT8, Charger SRT8 (3rd Gen), auto WRX, the Genesis, and a Chevy SS. The Guilia is dazzling and I like it from every angle. I would've and still might when I move back to Ohio. There are plenty of dealerships there as I can imagine I'd be in there from time to time.