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At-home charging requirements?

mike931

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As the vehicle deliveries are approaching, the GV60 will become the first electric vehicle for many owners, me included. Many of us will need to get our homes/garages ready to charge our new car and this brings a few newbie questions that may be obvious to some, but not to all:

1. Is there a charger cable supplied with the GV60? what kind is it and how fast will it charge the battery?
2. Is there a need to buy a different charger at home for a faster charge?
3. If yes to question 2, what make/models should one consider? Where is the best place to buy (in Canada)?
4. Besides getting a 220V plug outlet for a Level 2 charger, is there anything else to consider and/or to ask an electrician?
 
As the vehicle deliveries are approaching, the GV60 will become the first electric vehicle for many owners, me included. Many of us will need to get our homes/garages ready to charge our new car and this brings a few newbie questions that may be obvious to some, but not to all:

1. Is there a charger cable supplied with the GV60? what kind is it and how fast will it charge the battery?
2. Is there a need to buy a different charger at home for a faster charge?
3. If yes to question 2, what make/models should one consider? Where is the best place to buy (in Canada)?
4. Besides getting a 220V plug outlet for a Level 2 charger, is there anything else to consider and/or to ask an electrician?

I've been driving a PHEV for almost three years now, so have a little experience.
One thing to keep in mind is that what we typically call EV chargers, are really not chargers, they are fairly simple/dumb devices that do little more than provide a J1772 plug to connect the vehicle to your home's electricity. All the real work is done in the vehicle.

Another important thing to consider is charging amperage. Here, the 'weakest' point in your system will drive the limitation. The GV60 can handle up to a 11kW AC charge rate, which would require 48A at 240V. This is a fair bit, considering that a typical house has a total of 100A service for everything. If you want to hit this number, you'll need:
  • Sufficient capacity on your main home's service. This should be fine in most cases, but you may need to be careful not to draw a full charge for the EV at the same time you're running AC, electric clothes dryer, oven, etc.
  • A breaker and wiring capable of supporting 60A running from your main panel to the charge unit. There are some rules about long-term use of high-draw devices that say you can't run the circuit at full capacity for an extended period of time, so they may build a 60A circuit to support a 50A unit.
  • A 'charger' capable of supporting 48A - this is typically where they top out.
  • A car with an AC to DC inverter that can support 11kW (which the GV60 has).

To answer your questions,

1. The 'Portable' charge cable included with the GV60 for North America looks like it's just 120V 16A. The US GV60 manual says to expect 68 hours to fully charge the battery.
2. Yes.
3. There is a fair bit to consider when choosing a charger. I started with one that was ~$200 off of Amazon, as it could do both 120V and 240V charging. It is limited to 16A, but that wasn't a problem as my PHEV couldn't draw anything more. I later moved up to a Juicebox charger as I wanted something that was wifi connected, so that I had better control and data/records of my charging. That ran me about $1000. I'll stop short of recommending a specific model and retailer, but important things to consider are:
  • Amperage - how much power the unit can deliver to the car.
  • Whether it's plug-in or hardwired
  • Wi-fi connectivity, app/online control, data/reporting features.
  • Build quality and whether the unit will be exposed to the elements of used in a garage
4. Depending on the unit you're using you may need a plug or just to have the unit hardwired. Depending on a number of factors, you may want/need a sub-panel and/or separate breaker for the unit. Your electrician will be able to advise on this.

You may want to talk to an electrician before buying a unit to see where your limitations lie and how much it would cost to get around them before buying a 'charger'. There's no point in breaking the budget for a charger if your infrastructure can't support it. Even 240V/16A charge rate will be enough to get by. At that rate you could go from empty to full in less than a day, so you should be able to keep things topped up with regular overnight charging.
 
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As the vehicle deliveries are approaching, the GV60 will become the first electric vehicle for many owners, me included. Many of us will need to get our homes/garages ready to charge our new car and this brings a few newbie questions that may be obvious to some, but not to all:

1. Is there a charger cable supplied with the GV60? what kind is it and how fast will it charge the battery?
2. Is there a need to buy a different charger at home for a faster charge?
3. If yes to question 2, what make/models should one consider? Where is the best place to buy (in Canada)?
4. Besides getting a 220V plug outlet for a Level 2 charger, is there anything else to consider and/or to ask an electrician?


1 - According to the US version of the Owner's Manual (https://owners.genesis.com/genesis/...-manual/2023/gv60/2023-GV60-Owners-Manual.pdf), the GV60 comes with a Level 1 Portable Charger. The maximum charging rate is 12 amperes, when connected to a 15 amperes outlet, and takes approx. 68 hours at room temperature to charge from 10% to 100%.

2 - If you want faster charges, a Level 2 AC home charger is strongly recommended, and takes approx. 7 hours 10 minutes at room temperature to charge from 10% to 100%, according to the Owner's Manual.

3 - Don't know the best place to buy, but I have personally narrowed my research down to the following chargers (I live in Quebec):
4 - You will need to consider the capacity of your existing electric panel to make sure if it can accomodate a 40 or 48A charger. If you go for a 48A, it will require a 60A circuit and it must be hard connected to the electric panel (i.e. no plug).

I didn't hear about any incentives from Genesis for chargers... does anyone know? Also, does anyone know if we will have access to free recharge on the road?

Mike.
 
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Another thought after seeing Mike's list of chargers...

If you can get by without a home charger for a while, you might want to wait a little before buying one. There are some interesting incentives from the federal gov't that may lead to the possibility of at-home chargers being offered quite cheaply - maybe even free. If you've got the ability to charge elsewhere, you may try getting by on the supplied cable or some cheap charger for a while to see where things shake out.
 
Another thought after seeing Mike's list of chargers...

If you can get by without a home charger for a while, you might want to wait a little before buying one. There are some interesting incentives from the federal gov't that may lead to the possibility of at-home chargers being offered quite cheaply - maybe even free. If you've got the ability to charge elsewhere, you may try getting by on the supplied cable or some cheap charger for a while to see where things shake out.

That's a good point, and for those of us in Quebec, there is a $600 provincial subsidy for home chargers.
 
The easiest if you have a dryer or Range plug around is to use. If you do not wish to have an electrician and bring in more power to your home.

SplitVolt, or Range/Dryer Buddy.

These device will prioritize either range or dryer. And when the range or dryer are in use; they will stop the EV charging.
When the amperage goes lower than 3.5amp or similar, it will provide the power to the EV charge port..




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These are neat devices if someone has a laundry room or kitchen beside their garage and can just punch a hole through the wall, but I suspect most will need to find some other means to get power to a charger.
 
I had an electrician look at my home electrical system for this reason. No EV yet. Our best option is to use the 50 Amp Range wiring for the EV charging. Our home came with gas hob and 220 Electric and we converted our cooking from half gas to all gas so that circuit is unused and can be donated to charging. The next owner of our unit may find that an asset or liability. We also have a 30 amp dryer circuit which could be used since that is an occasional use. ohnoyuji above gives an option which avoids charging interaction for circuits such as this. I have an attached enclosed garage with the electric panel in the garage so the best situation for such changes.
 
A panel in the garage is the perfect situation.
Unfortunately, I have a detached garage, so getting a circuit out isn’t easy. I stole the 30A AC circuit, and ran a line from it to the garage a few years ago. I’m getting solar in this summer, and will be getting them to run a new 60A line out while that work is being completed.
 
These are neat devices if someone has a laundry room or kitchen beside their garage and can just punch a hole through the wall, but I suspect most will need to find some other means to get power to a charger.
In theory, You can also steal a electric heater wire for that purpose.

This is a not bad solution for some, of course not everyone. It's just an option for people not to invest.

Nevertheless, I believe people buying an EV nowadays, the first thing to look is how will one charge their car at home/condo/garage.

This solution is very portable, it can be undone in matters of minutes if you sell you house, or go to someone's house or Airbnb.

You only need a small extensions and voila. No one will know after you patch up the holes in the wall obviously.....

Plus this doesn't required any load analysis by any electrician for how much load your home breaker can carry.
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In theory, You can also steal a electric heater wire for that purpose.



Plus this doesn't required any load analysis by any electrician for how much load your home breaker can carry.
Electric heater wire? Do you mean from a hot water tank? Are those 240V? I’ve always had natural gas.

There’s really no need to have an electrician do an analysis of a modern home’s load. Service is generally 100A, with panels able to handle a max of 125A. If you’re not careful, you may trip the main breaker on occasion, but that would probably require three high-draw devices running at once (EV, oven & dryer), and there should be no real harm done.
I can limit the draw of my current charger through its software, so I can manage the overall load, if I ever need to.
 
In theory, You can also steal a electric heater wire for that purpose.
In theory? Will the police be after me if I steal it And don’t return it? No idea what you are describing.
 
Electric whole house furnace heat is usually 220v as is an electric hot water heater if someones home is all electric so piggy backing off one of those lines for charging could be an option. When my house was built I had a 220v welder and air compressor planned so my electrician installed a plug for each of those on my garage wall so the day I flip to electric I may be pretty much ready.
 
Electric whole house furnace heat is usually 220v as is an electric hot water heater if someones home is all electric so piggy backing off one of those lines for charging could be an option. When my house was built I had a 220v welder and air compressor planned so my electrician installed a plug for each of those on my garage wall so the day I flip to electric I may be pretty much ready.
What’s the amperage of the welder/compressor line?
 
Electric whole house furnace heat is usually 220v as is an electric hot water heater if someones home is all electric so piggy backing off one of those lines for charging could be an option. When my house was built I had a 220v welder and air compressor planned so my electrician installed a plug for each of those on my garage wall so the day I flip to electric I may be pretty much ready.
Thanks. Only familiar with gas heat.
 
Electric whole house furnace heat is usually 220v as is an electric hot water heater if someones home is all electric so piggy backing off one of those lines for charging could be an option. When my house was built I had a 220v welder and air compressor planned so my electrician installed a plug for each of those on my garage wall so the day I flip to electric I may be pretty much ready.
Thanks for backing me up. I ran quick on my thoughts there. I really meant the 240v wire going to the electric baseboard or force air heater that takes the 25amp breaker. For lots of people 25amp is good enough for an overnight charges.

The dryer buddy or split volt just need to piggy back on those.
You however needs to be familiar with electricity to do this. Not everyone should listen to YouTube or our member on this board right?... In doubt just hire an electrician
 
In anticipation of the GV60 I recently had an electrician install a L2 charger. I did a ton of research and ended up going with the ChargePoint HomeFlex and it’s hardwired. It was not an easy job for the electrician since my 200-amp panel had no open breaker slots so they had to re-organize everything and put some circuits on split-breakers. Additionally the panel is on the opposite side of my house from garage and it involved fishing through a finished basement. To the point others have made here, it’s quite an investment and something you’ll want an electrician to do if you don’t already have a 240V outlet.
 
In anticipation of the GV60 I recently had an electrician install a L2 charger. I did a ton of research and ended up going with the ChargePoint HomeFlex and it’s hardwired. It was not an easy job for the electrician since my 200-amp panel had no open breaker slots so they had to re-organize everything and put some circuits on split-breakers. Additionally the panel is on the opposite side of my house from garage and it involved fishing through a finished basement. To the point others have made here, it’s quite an investment and something you’ll want an electrician to do if you don’t already have a 240V outlet.
A 200A panel? I’m envious. 😀 You must be in a very new home.
 
I am in the UK. I have ordered a Sports Plus and I am advised the car will be delivered to me in October.

Nearer the time. I will endeavour to find out the price and the suppliers of the Wireless Charging System, as in the video below @ 12 minutes…

Hopefully it's not too expensive. It does look to be a great way of charging the GV60…

Paul Choo…

 
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