Can anyone help me about my question please

[saman-d]

Hello everybody, I have a question about Hyundai Genesis 3.8 and maybe u can help me. Hyundai Genesis is a rear wheel drive car so I want to ask that how is its performance and driving ability in snow and especially in snowy uphill roads because I heard that front wheel drive cars performance and driving abilities in snow and snowy uphill roads are much more better than rear wheel drive cars. For example can u compare its performance in snowy roads with Hyundai Azera 3.3? Thank u so much.

 

[dg_moore]

Most owners in snowy climates report that with a good set of snow tires, or in some cases even good all-weather tires, they have no problems driving in snow. Everybody reports that the OEM Dunlop tires perform very poorly in snow.

I have mounted a set of Bridgestone Blizzak tires on a spare set of wheels - when winter rolls around I'll take the Dunlops off and put on the snows.

Knowing how to drive in snow is also very important - I grew up in snow country (NW Pennsylvania) and now live in Maryland: it's amazing (and scary) how few people understand how to drive on slippery surfaces. Many people seem to think that, when a wheel begins to spin, more gas should be supplied; if they start to skid they have no idea how to react.

 

[SullyC]

Most owners in snowy climates report that with a good set of snow tires, or in some cases even good all-weather tires, they have no problems driving in snow. Everybody reports that the OEM Dunlop tires perform very poorly in snow.

I have mounted a set of Bridgestone Blizzak tires on a spare set of wheels - when winter rolls around I'll take the Dunlops off and put on the snows.

Knowing how to drive in snow is also very important - I grew up in snow country (NW Pennsylvania) and now live in Maryland: it's amazing (and scary) how few people understand how to drive on slippery surfaces. Many people seem to think that, when a wheel begins to spin, more gas should be supplied; if they start to skid they have no idea how to react.

My god what did we do in the "old days" when there wasn't front wheel drive!! We must of all stayed home!

 

[ctrcbob]

Hello everybody, I have a question about Hyundai Genesis 3.8 and maybe u can help me. Hyundai Genesis is a rear wheel drive car so I want to ask that how is its performance and driving ability in snow and especially in snowy uphill roads because I heard that front wheel drive cars performance and driving abilities in snow and snowy uphill roads are much more better than rear wheel drive cars. For example can u compare its performance in snowy roads with Hyundai Azera 3.3? Thank u so much.

If you have to ask this question, you will be better off buying a FWD (or AWD with a front bias).

Our RWD cars, even with "Traction Control" (or Positraction which is not the same) will go fine in snow and ice, but not as good as FWD.

As mentioned before, "What did we do before FWD or even Positraction"???

My father (bless him) taught me to drive in Rochester NY (snow country) in February. LOTS OF SNOW AND ICE. No FWD or Positraction back then. He always told me to not do anything fast. That is, don't accelerate fast, don't steer or turn fast, and don't brake fast or hard. I never forgot his advice.
Years ago, I had higher powered RWD "Sport Cars" and I never had problems driving in the snow and ice. You just have to use your head when driving in those conditions.

That being said, the last time I got called up North for a family emergency, in November, I took the Continental FWD, not the Genesis RWD, not so much because of traction, but because I did not want to get road salt on the Genesis. I had some snow, and lots of "black ice". Genny stayed nice and warm in Florida.

Last December, I did take the Genesis through NW Texas (US-380) and into New Mexico, (Roswell and Ruidoso) and I did see snow and ice on road. Had no problems. Even "tested" the ABS and ESC on the icy/snowy streets of Roswell, just to make sure they functioned ok. They did. (ABS pulses like expected - ESC [Traction Control] works "jerky", probably because it is the type that shuts ignition, and or puts on one of the brakes to the wheel that is slipping - don't know) (Traction Control does not work like Positraction which sends the power through the differential to the wheel with traction and is not an electronic or ECM function). (If I'm wrong anyone, please feel free to correct me).

Again, if you are not sure of your ability, better off with a FWD or front bias AWD.

 

[sandy]

My god what did we do in the "old days" when there wasn't front wheel drive!! We must of all stayed home!

Don't you remember chains and studded tires?

 

[dg_moore]

Don't you remember chains and studded tires?

No more fun in the world than lying in a foot of snow trying to wrestle chains on - did it many, many times. Followed by the joy of actually driving with them on. My father also had a 1946 Willys Jeep with 4WD that he taught me to drive. With chains on all 4 wheels that thing would go just about anywhere. However, I learned quickly, and never forgot, that the laws of physics are the same for any vehicle, especially on ice. Today few of the SUV drivers in my area seem to have learned that lesson, to their detriment.

 

[Cut-Throat]

My god what did we do in the "old days" when there wasn't front wheel drive!! We must of all stayed home!

In Minnesota we always put on snow tires. Almost no one does now.

 

[MrB0462]

saman-d

It always comes down to driver skill/ability.

In over 50 years of driving in the Northeast I have never put snow tires on any vehicle we have owned and have never been stuck in snow regardless of depth.

If worried, as some else suggested, don't buy a Genesis you will always be unhappy. This car is obviously not for you and your particular needs and concerns.

best of luck with your choice.

 

[Cut-Throat]

saman-d

It always comes down to driver skill/ability.

In over 50 years of driving in the Northeast I have never put snow tires on any vehicle we have owned and have never been stuck in snow regardless of depth.

Trust me, if you would have grown up where I grew up in Southwest Minnesota, close to South Dakota, you would have gotten stuck; a lot.

We had 20 foot drifts that would swallow all vehicles. We had snowplows that would get stuck. I was stuck in Sioux Falls South Dakota in 1968 for 3 days - 60 miles from home and the snowplows could not clear the road for 3 days.

My man, you have never seen winter

 

[MrB0462]

Trust me, if you would have grown up where I grew up in Southwest Minnesota, close to South Dakota, you would have gotten stuck; a lot.

We had 20 foot drifts that would swallow all vehicles. We had snowplows that would get stuck. I was stuck in Sioux Falls South Dakota in 1968 for 3 days - 60 miles from home and the snowplows could not clear the road for 3 days.

My man, you have never seen winter

It's nice that you know where I have been in the winter. Some of family don't even have access to that information.

But the real issue is still driver competence which includes not driving when there are 20 foot snow drifts. I have been there and even other places with deeper drifts.

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[Hghwy52]

After driving FWD cars in the Northeast for 10 years before the Genesis (I drove RWD cars for 35+ years before that) I find the biggest difference between the two is going around a corner. With FWD it is much easier to see what the drive wheels are going to encounter and steer accordingly. With RWD, going around a corner is almost a two step process - getting the rear wheels on the road you are turning onto and then accelerating.

 

[Cut-Throat]

But the real issue is still driver competence which includes not driving when there are 20 foot snow drifts.

Yup, If you don't leave your house, you don't get stuck.

However, if you make a statement like you never got stuck in snow, no matter what the depth, you have not seen winter.

 

[saman-d]

Thanks for your help everybody, I live in Tehran, Iran and we usually have heavy snows in winter (Except this year that it was totally summer, We didn't see snowing even for just 1 time!). Anyway, In my country only Genesis 3.8 is available and i already have Azera 3.3 Limited and I want to buy a Genesis. Unfortunately in my country variety of the cars are very low and thanks to our 120% of custom right we pay for about 2 cars just for 1! U can't believe but a Genesis 3.8 Full costs 80,000$ here (Azera 3.3 Limited 52,000$)! I want to ask that do Genesis and Azera have very much difference in snowy roads abilities or not? Thank u

 

[dg_moore]

I want to ask that do Genesis and Azera have very much difference in snowy roads abilities or not? Thank u

I owned an Azera for 4 years before getting the Genesis. I never had any problems with the Azera in snow, and the original tires performed better in snow than the Dunlops that come with the Genesis in the US. I have no idea what brand or model of tires are standard on the Genesis in Iran - it's quite possible that a different tire is used there. In any case, I got my Genesis in late winter and only had to drive it in snow a couple of times - I had no problems at all. Others here also report that with good tires and proper driving technique they have no problems driving in snow. I personally would not hesitate to buy the Genesis based on concerns about snowy roads.

 

[saman-d]

The Genesis in Iran is the middle eastern version and I don't think that it comes with Dunlop tires either, I don't know what brand it is exactly. There's one thing that I think is so strange about USA version Genesis. USA version cars are always the most complete and full feature cars than the other countries versions, Then why USA version Genesis has no rear seat heaters, Passenger cool seat, Car height adjusting, Headlights washing system. The rear seat armrest in USA version only has cop holders but in middle eastern version it also has many control buttons like Audio system controls, Rear seats heaters, Rear sunshade, The rear seats are also power adjustment like Mercedes-Benz S-Class! It's amazing that none of these features are available in USA version! Does Genesis close its windows and sunroof automatically when u lock the door by remote?

 

[dg_moore]

Does Genesis close its windows and sunroof automatically when u lock the door by remote?

I have the 3.8 with Premium package and navigation (not the tech package). Sunroof and windows do not close when I lock the car.

I believe many of the features you mention were omitted from the US version to keep the cost of the car low. I personally would not want to pay extra for any of the features you listed because I would never use them. Nobody ever rides in my back seat, and only my wife rides in the passenger seat - she would never use seat cooling because she is always too cold, and she's perfectly happy with the seat as it is.

 

[ASHDUMP]

I would also agree that all the rear seat controls mentioned would not be used here in the USA as much as maybe other countries would. We're all pretty independent in the USA and I would say 95% of the time it is just me in my car with no passengers. Not a lot of car pooling going on for me.

 

[saman-d]

The features that I listed are standard, not optional. Every optional feature in USA version is standard in middle eastern version. We only have 2 trims: 3.8 with all of the features (Full type), 3.8 with all of the features except DIS (Non-full type). We usually don't have extra packages like technology or premium or etc. Middle eastern version also have front blind spots cameras. The middle eastern version full type costs 43,000$ without custom right. The middle eastern version Genesis is so much similar to the version of Genesis for the Korean market, It only has a few differences in some features for example the middle eastern version has no rear seats LCD monitor or air ionizer. But u are right, These features are good for someone who wants to sit in the back and doesn't drive himself.

 

[dg_moore]

Every additional gadget costs more - to keep the cost down for the US market I guess many things that are standard elsewhere (and cost more) are omitted.

 

[saman-d]

It's completely true because the US Genesis 3.8 with all options and packages is 3,500$ cheaper than the middle eastern Genesis 3.8 with full options.

US version: 39,500$
Middle eastern version: 43,000$

U can say that the middle eastern version is kind of Limousine type of Genesis! Because the front and rear seats are also have differences with US version. It looks like a 4 passenger sedan because it also has no head restrain in the middle of the back seat. All of the interior is also premium leather, The dashboard, Seats.