CarPlay Coming

[italiabrain]

It's amazing to compare the bundling that Microsoft got in serious trouble for years ago (wasn't it just for building IE into Windows and resulted in an anti-trust fiasco?) to Apple willfully preventing Pandora on Carplay because they have their own competitive service and no one seems to think anything of it.

 

[allisondbl]

It's amazing to compare the bundling that Microsoft got in serious trouble for years ago (wasn't it just for building IE into Windows and resulted in an anti-trust fiasco?) to Apple willfully preventing Pandora on Carplay because they have their own competitive service and no one seems to think anything of it.

+1 on this. Sad thing is we're so used to Apple control that even those of us really aware of that case completely forget about it in new economic environment.

 

[Alwaysforward]

I am pretty sure when I was going through all the features that I seen an option that allows you to turn off the NAV voice so it will not interfere with music. Next time I am in the car will see if I can find it again and let you know Italiabrain

 

[Ernie3647]

I am pretty sure when I was going through all the features that I seen an option that allows you to turn off the NAV voice so it will not interfere with music. Next time I am in the car will see if I can find it again and let you know Italiabrain

A button on the dash under screen “Guidance Voice “ will do it.

 

[ksoze]

It's amazing to compare the bundling that Microsoft got in serious trouble for years ago (wasn't it just for building IE into Windows and resulted in an anti-trust fiasco?) to Apple willfully preventing Pandora on Carplay because they have their own competitive service and no one seems to think anything of it.

Apple and oranges. The tech landscape years ago and anti-trust laws make the comparison uneven.

 

[Nikgen]

A button on the dash under screen “Guidance Voice “ will do it.

You can also mute the Nav directly with an icon on the left side of the touchscreen display (at least on the Ultimate Nav system).

 

[italiabrain]

I am pretty sure when I was going through all the features that I seen an option that allows you to turn off the NAV voice so it will not interfere with music. Next time I am in the car will see if I can find it again and let you know Italiabrain

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was saying I currently have it muted and just use the HUD, but if CarPlay can't send info to the HUD then I would have to use voice to get reasonable use out of it and that would be annoying to have to trade features to use CarPlay.

 

[italiabrain]

Apple and oranges. The tech landscape years ago and anti-trust laws make the comparison uneven.

I realize that the tech landscape has changed dramatically, that was my point. 20 years ago Apple would've faced a 9 figure lawsuit for what it's doing with CarPlay if they don't allow Pandora through.

I wasn't aware antitrust laws had changed since then. I follow law pretty closely, but generally not corporate stuff.

 

[ksoze]

20 years ago Apple would've faced a 9 figure lawsuit for what it's doing with CarPlay if they don't allow Pandora through.

Have to disagree - Apple does not dominate nor hold a monopoly on the yet unrealized market for phones that display apps on a nav screen in a car - it isn't even out yet. A far cry from the Windows dominance and IE issue from that earlier period.

 

[italiabrain]

Have to disagree - Apple does not dominate nor hold a monopoly on the yet unrealized market for phones that display apps on a nav screen in a car - it isn't even out yet. A far cry from the Windows dominance and IE issue from that earlier period.

Point taken. Dominance in the starting market is hugely different. Apple is still using their relative control over one market to prevent competition in another market and that should meet anti-trust regardless of monopoly. Additionally, anything Apple lacks in market dominance they make up in actual actions. Msoft was just bundling their browser, Apple appears to be going out of their way to block a competing service that would otherwise be more popular than their own.

That being said I'm certainly no expert on corporate law and we're way off topic for the thread at this point so I'll leave it at that.

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[Aquineas]

Point taken. Dominance in the starting market is hugely different. Apple is still using their relative control over one market to prevent competition in another market and that should meet anti-trust regardless of monopoly. Additionally, anything Apple lacks in market dominance they make up in actual actions. Msoft was just bundling their browser, Apple appears to be going out of their way to block a competing service that would otherwise be more popular than their own.

That being said I'm certainly no expert on corporate law and we're way off topic for the thread at this point so I'll leave it at that.

This is spot on. Apple has also been very aggressive about keeping other development platforms off their hardware, specifically VM based languages such as Java and competing platforms such as Flash. In the interest of full disclosure, there are some valid (likely boring if you're not in the biz) technical reasons why they don't want Java applications running on their machines (and also valid technical reasons why no one should want Flash applications running on their machines). But the marketing reasons outweigh the technical reasons, imho. Please note I don't have a dog in the race, I consult for products on Apple platforms as much as I do for others, but some of the stuff they've done is very shady, and would have landed Microsoft in a bunch of hot water. Of course, Microsoft hasn't forgotten how to play that game either.

 

[ksoze]

Not to prolong this side debate, but I do not see the initial exclusion of Pandora as a federal case. Currently highlighted CarPlay approved apps are a small subset of initial apps which show off the technology - Pandora is still on the Apple phone platform and has lost zero sales to date. It also can play on competing auto technologies from Google etc. I will bet that if CarPlay succeeds, there will be more selection and multiple vendors of similar apps in each category. While I am not saying Apple is not a shrewd, aggressive company, this Pandora uproar is overstated. In fact, many have fallen out of favor with Pandora before this snafu began and as new apps have come out. Welcome to the future.

 

[Aquineas]

It's one thing to be aggressive, it's quite another to be illegal. Isn't it wonderful how big corporations are always "accidentally" crossing that line? And then they buy politicians to get the line moved.

The previous statement that "Pandora has lost zero sales to date" is somewhat misleading: because phone and auto electronics integration is very new and CarPlay is a brand new platform, there haven't been any sales (until very, very recently) to lose. But stating that, without also recognizing that phone/vehicle interaction is at the beginning of an adolescent (if not infant) market fails to recognize that Apple, the largest single OEM phone vendor in the US, is attempting to block the primary music streaming app (47.6 market reach, http://www.comscore.com/Insights/Ma...-2014-U.S.-Smartphone-Subscriber-Market-Share) on what's sure to be a popular platform. They're doing so at the beginning of the auto-phone integration cycle development, effectively trying to kill it before it gains even more market share. Again, I don't have a dog in the race here (I prefer Spotify to Pandora, and practically anything to iTunes).

 

[italiabrain]

Not to prolong this side debate, but I do not see the initial exclusion of Pandora as a federal case. Currently highlighted CarPlay approved apps are a small subset of initial apps which show off the technology - Pandora is still on the Apple phone platform and has lost zero sales to date. It also can play on competing auto technologies from Google etc. I will bet that if CarPlay succeeds, there will be more selection and multiple vendors of similar apps in each category. While I am not saying Apple is not a shrewd, aggressive company, this Pandora uproar is overstated. In fact, many have fallen out of favor with Pandora before this snafu began and as new apps have come out. Welcome to the future.

I wasn't making any of my points based on what Apple has done in the past tense. Of course they wouldn't lose a case now when Carplay hasn't even been released. If you look at my earlier posts I was saying "if they don't" allow Pandora through referring to the future. It was implied in a couple articles that I read that Pandora wasn't going to be coming to Carplay at all. I don't think we're just talking about Pandora not having their app up to Carplay specs and being delayed as a result. It looks like Apple may actively deny them access despite meeting technical requirements, in order to promote iTunes radio. That's something the smartphone market would go absolutely nuts about if they up and deleted Pandora as an app, but with an emerging market they can leverage their market share in the first market in order to prevent competition in the second without such severe pushback, at least not from their customers.

Maybe the articles were wrong or I read too much into them and Pandora isn't actively being blocked, but that's the way it came across to me.

 

[arabto]

whats is the manufacturer and model of 9.2" HIGH NAVIGATION ?

 

[arabto]

Any new from CarPlay release date?


Can I install Google map on current nav os?

 

[denisemarie]

I also spoke with rep on Apple CarPlay and was told Apple still has not released for the Genesis 2015 - but owners will be notified.
I understand a lighting cable will be needed - correct ?
Software upgrade or SIM ?

I have iPhone 6plus and was told for newer iPhone a 30 pin adapter will be needed ?

I have a follow up call into corporate as I'm unclear if I will need 2 cables / adapters or 1.

Any ideas ?

Thanks

 

[Nikgen]

I also spoke with rep on Apple CarPlay and was told Apple still has not released for the Genesis 2015 - but owners will be notified.
I understand a lighting cable will be needed - correct ?
Software upgrade or SIM ?

I have iPhone 6plus and was told for newer iPhone a 30 pin adapter will be needed ?

I have a follow up call into corporate as I'm unclear if I will need 2 cables / adapters or 1.

Any ideas ?

Thanks

Assuming we do actually get CarPlay via a firmware upgrade, you would only need 1 cable: the standard USB/Lightening cable.

 

[ksoze]

CarPlay needs to work without a required wired connection to be truly useful. I hope that is implemented in future releases.

 

[Midnightsun]

CarPlay needs to work without a required wired connection to be truly useful. I hope that is implemented in future releases.

Biggest issue with wireless is battery consumption. I use the navigation function quite a bit when in a rental away from home. The phone will last an hour or 2 a best if not plugged in.