Cold Air Intake development-SPY PICS

[ZZR]

Wow...air filters right on top of engine, even with heat shield, not sure if that is such marketable idea. Hot air rises. So when the car is standing still, all that hot air in the engine bay will try to use the presurized hood scoop area to escape and air filters are right in the path. So in normal or traffic driving, engine will be heat soaked, yielding less power. But on highway, it may yield better power with ram air effect.

Great point. I just probably did not make it clear, that we will build not just heat shields, but a complete pan which will isolate filtters from engine compartment. There will be no passages from under the hood to the outside.
The pan will be fiberglass which has a low heat transfer rate. it'll come up to the openings in the hood and will be sealed with weatherstripping rubber.
Kind of like what we did for 94-96 Impala SS ( thumbnails).

 

[Tpr5.0]

George, I respectfully disagree with you regarding the placement of the intakes on your setup. The straighter and more direct, the better the air flows into the intake manifold. Point in case, the intake setup on my GTO.

It is a carbon fiber over the radiator cold air intake with the banshee ram air hood. The airflow is straight and direct into the intake manifold. For example, take an empty cardboard paper towel roll. Blow air through the unbent tube. Then put multiple bends in the tube and blow again. Much more air flows through the unbent tube. Physics dictates a straight line is much more efficient than a bent one for airflow. I honestly don't see how your setup will efficiently move air into the engine.

 

[NSXNEXT]

Am I missing the fact that this will produce no gains without the addition of the hood with cutouts?

I agree with TPR. On the 2nd gen there is already a similar OTR setup albeit not nearly as effective as the one you show.

 

[ZZR]

Interesting.

The bend in my pipe is nesessary for packaging purposes. While straight pipe is always better a smooth bend in a large pipe like this (3") does not cancell the effectivness of the system. I'll tell you how we'll proove my statement is true.

When the system is all done and assembled I will block off both stock filters.
Then I'll drive the Genesis on my intake system alone.
According to some opinions here this system is "ineffective" that means car would be barely drivable if at all. We'll see...

Curious about the GTO intake - the straight passage from filter to TB is great. But where does it draw air from?

 

[Tpr5.0]

Re: Interesting.

The bend in my pipe is nesessary for packaging purposes. While straight pipe is always better a smooth bend in a large pipe like this (3") does not cancell the effectivness of the system. I'll tell you how we'll proove my statement is true.

When the system is all done and assembled I will block off both stock filters.
Then I'll drive the Genesis on my intake system alone.
According to some opinions here this system is "ineffective" that means car would be barely drivable if at all. We'll see...

Curious about the GTO intake - the straight passage from filter to TB is great. But where does it draw air from?

Like I previously wrote, I look forward to seeing the end result. Regarding the GTO intake, it gets air from three areas. Hood scoop openings, grill openings in front bumper and space between hood and bumper. She gets plenty of direct cold air. Sounds like you will suck up the vehicle in front when you hit the throttle.

 

[thymer]

Having said all that we know that a typical well designed CAI system will add between 7 - 12 extra HP on top. It's not much, but the cost is low and simplisity is high.


Seriously? LOL. If it's that cheap and easy wouldn't you have thought that Hyundai would have packaged this as OE? Maybe add some JDM stickers and one of those fake turbo whistlers too while you're at it to add another 25HP. haha

 

[joeyz400]

I'm not sure how this system will work especially with a stock hood. Hyuandi definitely didn't look to make the most power possible so there is always room for improvement.

 

[ZZR]

Re: Math issues.

I will let the smart people at Hyundai design my air intake. Do you really think you can improve on what they did?

Yes. If you paid attention my system is not instead of, but in addition to the stock one.
By the way, maybe you should change your handle since you "used to be"
a Hyundai tech. Some suggestions:
"Internet Expert", "Know-but-can't do tech", "It is so because i said so".

 

[ZZR]

ha ha HA!

Having said all that we know that a typical well designed CAI system will add between 7 - 12 extra HP on top. It's not much, but the cost is low and simplisity is high.


Seriously? LOL. If it's that cheap and easy wouldn't you have thought that Hyundai would have packaged this as OE? Maybe add some JDM stickers and one of those fake turbo whistlers too while you're at it to add another 25HP. haha

Seriously. LOL. No , yes, seriously. Where do you people come from?
One after another - this won't work, that is not true, i doubt this, i don't think so.. None of so called experts posted any pics of their work, probably because they have not done any. Where do you get your info?
From others like yourself, lust reading forums? There are so many idiots posting on Interenet these days it's funny.

There are people who know their stuff - read post #19 on this thread.
the man expalins plain and simple, basics known to real car guys for decades.
And yout you and other trolls come up with more noncense.

To answer , yes you gat cheap easy extra horses by trading off something.
In this case noise level.
Stock system is designed to suppress noise, at the cost of flow.
Those who do not mind extra noise are OK with that.
You can go get your stickers and stick them your exhaust.
Don't forget to post a pic

 

[ZZR]

loosing patience with these dudes.

I'm not sure how this system will work especially with a stock hood. Hyuandi definitely didn't look to make the most power possible so there is always room for improvement.

It won't work with a stock hood. There are no passages for cold air in the stock hood.
That is why we a building the scoop for the stock hood. And the stock hood will be modifyed. becasue the CAI won't fit under stock hood.Without moddding it. The stock hood that is. Post one shows pics of how we modify the stock hood. Why don't you still understand that, beats me.

We will run the car on my system alone and record it on video.
Hopefully that will finally help you grasp the concept.

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[joeyz400]

Wouldn't be easier to market/sell if it was just a bolt-on? The $$$ to HP will not make sence if you have to mod and paint or replace a hood just to add the intake.... And if it is the hood from the aero pack you are working on, it is ugly as hell. Sorry just my opinion. We want our cars to maintain its high end looks with added performance. Not make them look like cheap gordy tuners...... Way too much hassle for 5-10hp at the crank none the less.....

 

[ZZR]

Boring

We want our cars to .....

I don't care what you want. The mod is for 5.0 V8, not 3.8.
Custom work is not for everyone, Fine. I can live with that. Can you ?

 

[joeyz400]

You should learn how to take constructive criticism...... and yes you should care what I think because I, as many others on this forum could be possible customers. With that being said, seeing how you conduct yourself as well as not wanting to hear what people want. Your endeavor will be a BIG FAIL!!!!!

 

[joeyz400]

Since you are a know it all and don't like to hear others opinions...... What is the estimated cost for your system with the hood? I don't see it becoming a cheap and easy way to increase HP People are trying to help you with their experience and preference. The skill of taking that info and implementing it into your product is what could make it a winner but you would rather be right in your own mind than a success.....

 

[HyundaiTech]

Re: Math issues.

Yes. If you paid attention my system is not instead of, but in addition to the stock one.
By the way, maybe you should change your handle since you "used to be"
a Hyundai tech. Some suggestions:
"Internet Expert", "Know-but-can't do tech", "It is so because i said so".

True colors coming out. Turning to internet insults. Let me know when you sell on of these.

 

[15GenesisAWD]

Great point. I just probably did not make it clear, that we will build not just heat shields, but a complete pan which will isolate filtters from engine compartment. There will be no passages from under the hood to the outside.
The pan will be fiberglass which has a low heat transfer rate. it'll come up to the openings in the hood and will be sealed with weatherstripping rubber.
Kind of like what we did for 94-96 Impala SS ( thumbnails).

I do not particularly agree with the placement of filters but I do find those fabrications pretty neat, nice job.

Regarding Hyundai engineers knowing better by another member, perhaps. But they are constrained by a lot of parameters, like best MPG, filter having to sit on high in engine compartment in case when the car is going over somewhat deep water (cold air intake with filter sitting low, just can't be too safe when it is submerged in water).

On the other hand, I think ECU reflesh will probably yield more than CAI. If genesis coupe can do almost 350 hp out of more or less the same engine, a measurable power gain may be a programming away. I am not sure if there are any vendors who can do ECU programming for Hyundai.

 

[ZZR]

opinions:

Since you are a know it all and don't like to hear others opinions.....

Lonley? Take your Genesis for a ride.

True colors coming out. Turning to internet insults. Let me know when you sell on of these.

True Colors are not for sale. Internet isn't mine. Insults are free.

 

[joeyz400]

Re: opinions:

Lonley? Take your Genesis for a ride.

IS THAT THE BEST YOU CAN DO?????

Colors are not for sale. Insults are free.

A FREE SHOW OF WHAT A D*%K YOU ARE!!!!

With your attitude and lack of business and design scene you must be in your 20's and you have a lot of growing up to do..... I guess once you blow through daddy's $$$$ on failure after failure, you will realize what a looser you are GEORGE....... Now the whole forum sees what you are about and how terrible your design and engineering skills are, you will definitely disappear just like the respect any member may have given you!!!!! CHEERS MATE LOL

 

[amartz]

Could we stop pissing on each others shoes and move on, already??

 

[dareckibmw]