Considering the Genesis -- what are the handling traits at the limit?

[suggi]

Considering picking up a Genesis -- what are the handling traits at the limit?

Ride compliance in Genesis is a breath of fresh air among its competitors, but I like to push the car now and then.

So I was wondering if anyone can tell me how the car (please specify v6/v6 awd/v8) handles at the limit. Reviews indicate understeer but also say the car feels balanced. So how severe is the understeer and how easily can you neutralize it using the accelerator?

It's hard to push the car to the limit during test drives. I'd appreciate it if anyone can pitch in or point me to a track review.

Thanks in advance.

 

[anonymous1]

Re: Considering picking up a Genesis -- what are the handling traits at the limit?

Ride compliance in Genesis is a breath of fresh air among its competitors, but I like to push the car now and then.

So I was wondering if anyone can tell me how the car (please specify v6/v6 awd/v8) handles at the limit. Reviews indicate understeer but also say the car feels balanced. So how severe is the understeer and how easily can you neutralize it using the accelerator?

It's hard to push the car to the limit during test drives. I'd appreciate it if anyone can pitch in or point me to a track review.

Thanks in advance.

The v6 is more neutral and confidence inspiring while the v8 is more of a high speed cruiser(comfort king)

 

[homeofstone]

Also depends on the tires.

 

[suggi]

Does it lift-off oversteer?

 

[anonymous1]

Put some 10.5 inch wide vossens on the 3.8 that damn thing will really hold the road

 

[jimb100]

Re: Considering picking up a Genesis -- what are the handling traits at the limit?

Ride compliance in Genesis is a breath of fresh air among its competitors, but I like to push the car now and then.

So I was wondering if anyone can tell me how the car (please specify v6/v6 awd/v8) handles at the limit. Reviews indicate understeer but also say the car feels balanced. So how severe is the understeer and how easily can you neutralize it using the accelerator?

It's hard to push the car to the limit during test drives. I'd appreciate it if anyone can pitch in or point me to a track review.

Thanks in advance.

You want the continuously variable damping. I have it on my car but I don't remember if it only comes on the V8 Ultimate or you can get it with some other packages. The shock valving in normal mode very balanced. With the electronics varying the valving its quite flat in turns and yet soaks up the bumps pretty well. But the normal ride is firmer than for a 4600 # "luxo-cruiser".

Sport mode tightens everything up perhaps 15%.

The V8 has enough power to induce oversteer with the accelerator but its still a big car that rotates well but it would take another 100 HP for a good driver to get in trouble and, even then, I don't think the nannies would allow too much fun.

The limits of adhesion are pretty high given the size of the tires and the suspension. I've pushed it hard through big sweepers on the interstate and it will hold 80 with little drama. Release the accelerator and you really won't see lift throttle oversteer. The car tracks well and slows predictably.

Where you would likely have trouble is where any car has trouble, over a hill into a down hill bend that unloads the suspension. Get all that mass up in the air, off the suspension and too much speed would likely get things going in the wrong direction.

I'm coming from a C6 Corvette and before that a C5 I'm talking about pretty elevated speeds. The way most drive these cars there would never be any drama at all.

 

[suggi]

Re: Considering picking up a Genesis -- what are the handling traits at the limit?

@jimb100, How easily can you correct understeer? Can you have fun taking on windy roads in the v8?

 

[jimb100]

Re: Considering picking up a Genesis -- what are the handling traits at the limit?

@jimb100, How easily can you correct understeer? Can you have fun taking on windy roads in the v8?

I can have fun with my mini van on windy roads! But to answer your question a bit better, its a big car and has a lot of bulk to contend with. Despite what V6 owners here will say, if you want to make this car perform you need the 420 HP.

As for correcting understeer, yes, you can correct with the gas but its always important to remember you are pushing 4600 # and nothing is going to happen instantly. You will not be able to toss this car like a 911, Corvette or even an M5, kicking the tail out at will. Think more like a Jag sedan or similar to an A8 although the AWD in the big Audi makes a difference.

What the Genesis is is a big comfortable car with enough motor and suspension that you don't feel like you're driving a land yacht or barge. And at 50k its a super bargain, fit and finish are excellent and the tech can't be beat.

 

[amartz]

Re: Considering picking up a Genesis -- what are the handling traits at the limit?

That sounds like a challenge!!

 

[suggi]

Re: Considering picking up a Genesis -- what are the handling traits at the limit?

if you want to make this car perform you need the 420 HP.

I've driven both, and while the v6 felt more nimble and is more fuel efficient, I'm leaning towards the v8.

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[jimb100]

Re: Considering picking up a Genesis -- what are the handling traits at the limit?

I've driven both, and while the v6 felt more nimble and is more fuel efficient, I'm leaning towards the v8.

If nimble and gas mileage are what's important to you then get the V6. Its a very nice car.

 

[Nikgen]

Re: Considering picking up a Genesis -- what are the handling traits at the limit?

I've driven both, and while the v6 felt more nimble and is more fuel efficient, I'm leaning towards the v8.

Don't discount the year-round benefits of AWD, and the winter benefits of a heated steering wheel and heated rear seats if you live in a colder climate - those are only available on the V6 in the USA.

But if you've driven the V8 and prefer it, then I think you've got your answer already! Buy what your gut tells you - you can't go wrong with either.

 

[suggi]

Thanks for all the input.

I had another test drive and I think the v8 is it.

Also test drove a 2014 CTS V Sport which they were discounting pretty heavily. While fun and exciting with much better dynamics, I didn't feel like it is a better car than Genesis as a whole.

I think Audi S4's perform even better than V Sport but it feels like a grown up GTI and not luxurious at all. Plus it's outdated.

I'm not a fan of the current generation of BMW or Lexus.. MB C class is too small.. E class too old..

Nothing in the market at this price point really drives the way Genesis does and I appreciate the fact that it's not another BMW/Audi/Merc/Lexus. And the multimedia system is much easier to use than its competitions. I just wish it had a little more bass.

 

[anonymous1]

Thanks for all the input.

I had another test drive and I think the v8 is it.

Also test drove a 2014 CTS V Sport which they were discounting pretty heavily. While fun and exciting with much better dynamics, I didn't feel like it is a better car than Genesis as a whole.

I think Audi S4's perform even better than V Sport but it feels like a grown up GTI and not luxurious at all. Plus it's outdated.

I'm not a fan of the current generation of BMW or Lexus.. MB C class is too small.. E class too old..

Nothing in the market at this price point really drives the way Genesis does and I appreciate the fact that it's not another BMW/Audi/Merc/Lexus. And the multimedia system is much easier to use than its competitions. I just wish it had a little more bass.

Thats exactly how i felt after driving the cts vsport too many tradeoffs for the high price.for Example the Genesis 5.0 throttle response was better than the cts, on the genesis test drive people were asking about it and breaking their necks at stoplights while people barely payed attention to the cts, the cts had better steering than the genesis(more sporty), As look and engines, the cts looks much smaller on the road while the genesis sits much wider and those quad exhausts are eye Catchers, engines the genesis sounded better but the cts is more efficent.

 

[jveedub]

Re: Considering picking up a Genesis -- what are the handling traits at the limit?

So the 5.0 v8 don't have rear heated seats?

 

[Nikgen]

Re: Considering picking up a Genesis -- what are the handling traits at the limit?

So the 5.0 v8 don't have rear heated seats?

Only in the 5.0 AWD in Canada. 5.0 with heated rear seats is a no show in the USA.

 

[ppern]

so does anyone think the base 3.8 suspension is a canyon carver? to me it has a beautiful ride but feels floaty and very rear end weight biased.

 

[Aquineas]

It's definitely not a canyon-carver; more of a canyon cruiser. It handles decently for a big car, but it's a big car, tuned for comfort.

 

[Monolith2001]

so does anyone think the base 3.8 suspension is a canyon carver? to me it has a beautiful ride but feels floaty and very rear end weight biased.

Doesn't feel floaty to me. It feels very planted but when hustled, it certainly feels like what it is...a long heavy car.

 

[jailer]

I think Audi S4's perform even better than V Sport but it feels like a grown up GTI and not luxurious at all. Plus it's outdated.

S4 is in class of ATS size car. V-Sport is in class of larger Audi 6.