Engine falls flat on it's face

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I think I am going to file complaint as this is an issue with the Dodge Ram diesels with the Aisin transmisssion same company that builds ours they think it's a torque management issue

www.safercar.go

 

[geops]

Is this an issue with the 2012 4.6 model? I have 2013 r-spec and going from granny driving at 1500rpm to flooring it does take a good 2 seconds for the transmission to go down a few gears and the the engine to pick up rpm but that is very consistent on my car. When I need to push it, my mind knows to press the pedal and anticipate a pile of torque 2 seconds later. Let's say i want to pass someone - I press the gas before I've moved to the left lane and 1 second later I start turning left right when the torque starts picking up to pull me to the side. I find it very consistent and am just used to the way it works by now. A car with this much power that responds instantly costs twice as much so I'm happy with what I have

 

[amartz]

At the risk of starting a flame war...
My car is able to quickly execute a right or left turn from a complete stop without giving it full throttle and, in fact, with the horsepower on tap in this car that would be very foolish even on dry pavement.

Actually, in my experience, you've just put your finger on it, without realizing it. I have a 2102 3.8. It's been my experience, as you said, the car is quick "From a COMPLETE Stop". And that's the issue. If you are doing a rolling stop, that changes the picture completely. I'm in the group that has almost been hit trying to pull out into heavy rush-hour traffic, and had the Long delay, until the engine computer and the transmission computer and the ESC computer all agreed with each other what gear we needed to be in and how much gas we should be giving it. At that point, the guy behind me that just had to slam on his brakes, sees me doing a drag launch away from him, like as if I was trying to mess with him on purpose.

 

[craigt]

...almost been hit trying to pull out into heavy rush-hour traffic, and had the Long delay, until the engine computer and the transmission computer and the ESC computer all agreed with each other what gear we needed to be in and how much gas we should be giving it.

It's times like this I use the manual mode and keep it in 1. While it's not convenient or shouldn't be necessary, it does seem to remove the delay.

 

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Is this an issue with the 2012 4.6 model? I have 2013 r-spec and going from granny driving at 1500rpm to flooring it does take a good 2 seconds for the transmission to go down a few gears and the the engine to pick up rpm but that is very consistent on my car. When I need to push it, my mind knows to press the pedal and anticipate a pile of torque 2 seconds later. Let's say i want to pass someone - I press the gas before I've moved to the left lane and 1 second later I start turning left right when the torque starts picking up to pull me to the side. I find it very consistent and am just used to the way it works by now. A car with this much power that responds instantly costs twice as much so I'm happy with what I have

Haven't heard of issues with the R-Spec. Problem with ours is that you don't know when it's going to act up.

These cars shouldn't "dead pedal"

 

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It's times like this I use the manual mode and keep it in 1. While it's not convenient or shouldn't be necessary, it does seem to remove the delay.

Agree with the manual mode , shouldn't have to

 

[daviderle]

I was finally able to recreate this issue twice so far, while slowing down to 10-15 without touching the breaks, then punching it...

I have started a new thread for a potential fix, for anyone who is interested to the subject in general or wishes to contribute:

http://genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/showthread.php?t=13828

 

[chronic]

Why does the Genesis engine sound so grainy? And for a claimed 333hp it accelerates pretty slow

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xqIyDpNx-i0

The 2GR-FE has only 268HP in the Camry, is silky smooth and look at how urgent it accelerates! Smooth and fast + good MPG

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AxlSvICnlpY

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fbjLLqIfmCc

 

[craigt]

Mine doesn't sound "grainy". It's muted and smooth. Very smooth. As is the 8 speed. It accelerates very quick without the driver even realizing it.

Yes, there is an issue with slowing down and then wanting to accelerate. But from a stop, it's darn quick for a big heavy car.

If you want something more than quick (ie. fast), opt for the 5.0.

 

[videopho]

Why does the Genesis engine sound so grainy? And for a claimed 333hp it accelerates pretty slow

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xqIyDpNx-i0

The 2GR-FE has only 268HP in the Camry, is silky smooth and look at how urgent it accelerates! Smooth and fast + good MPG

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AxlSvICnlpY

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fbjLLqIfmCc

Because it's Hyundai.
Go buy yourself a Camry.
And go troll someplace else.

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[Gunkk]

Why does the Genesis engine sound so grainy? And for a claimed 333hp it accelerates pretty slow

The 2GR-FE has only 268HP in the Camry, is silky smooth and look at how urgent it accelerates! Smooth and fast + good MPG

At the risk of feeding trolls...

You can't trust you tube for acoustics. And look up the power/weight ratios. They're about the same, which explains why the Camry gets ~8-10 more MPG.

 

[PMCErnie]

Why does the Genesis engine sound so grainy? And for a claimed 333hp it accelerates pretty slow

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xqIyDpNx-i0

The 2GR-FE has only 268HP in the Camry, is silky smooth and look at how urgent it accelerates! Smooth and fast + good MPG

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AxlSvICnlpY

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fbjLLqIfmCc

This guy went through this same shtick back in March. See prior posts. Must be a Toyota salesman.

 

[Gunkk]

Yep def a ToyFanBoy.

 

[7i bigblock]

OK, other auto companies have , drive by wire , eight speed transmissions, v6 or v8 and dont have the hesitation problem. So its a Hyundai thing. I love the genesis and am looking at a 2013 R spec . Ive driven the older and up to 2013 Genesis v6 and v8. To me the hesitation is worst in the v6---- step on the gas and nothing. Its a learning curve for Hyundai . The 2015 reports say all this Hesitation and awkwardness is gone---we will see. To me the R spec or most of the Hyundai v8's are King. They just dont seem to have this Hesitation problem as much--- Ive never had v8 Hesitation. Of course they eat more gas and cost a few bucks more--- its hard to get everything , at a discount in one package.

 

[Gunkk]

I have not seen any stability-nanny induced throttle lag in:

• 2009 v8 (owned)
• 2014 v6 (3 day loaner)
• 2015 v6 RWD (test drive)

 

[7i bigblock]

I have not seen any stability-nanny induced throttle lag in:

• 2009 v8 (owned)
• 2014 v6 (3 day loaner)
• 2015 v6 RWD (test drive)

I dont believe its stability- nanny induced . I think its a function of the Hyundai transmission design and transmission programming that is designed for the tranmission to last 10years /100k miles--- and of course fuel economy.

 

[videopho]

i dont believe its stability- nanny induced . I think its a function of the hyundai transmission design and transmission programming that is designed for the tranmission to last 10years /100k miles--- and of course fuel economy.

+100k.

 

[PMCErnie]

I've been reading about this subject for some years here. Seems to me this is only a real problem for those few aggressive drivers who need to cut somebody off in a split second, such as a sneaky lane change, or beating a traffic light. Most normal drivers have learned to operate the gas pedal in a safe manner. My '09 Taurus has this same idiosyncrasy. In both cars you quickly learn when, and how far, to press the gas pedal to achieve optimum acceleration for any particular situation.

 

[amartz]

I've been reading about this subject for some years here. Seems to me this is only a real problem for those few aggressive drivers who need to cut somebody off in a split second, such as a sneaky lane change, or beating a traffic light. Most normal drivers have learned to operate the gas pedal in a safe manner. My Taurus has this same idiosyncrasy. In both cars you quickly learn when, and how far, to press the gas pedal to achieve optimum acceleration for any particular situation.

I take offense at your trivializing as just a few aggressive drivers who shouldn't be driving that way. Try pulling out into heavy rush-hour traffic, when there is no such thing as a big enough spot to slowly pull out without causing an issue. But you'd probably pull out anyhow, and have 5 cars behind you hitting the brakes, and almost causing an accident.

 

[craigt]

I have learned to drive with the way the car behaves. Would I like this delay removed? Of course. Every day I pull onto a road (left turn, crossing the other lane) that has a 50mph speed limit, with a blind curve not too far down the road. If I need to gas it to safely pull onto the road (yes, gassing it is safer than pull on slowly), there is a delay, and then the car takes off.

When traffic is moderate, I use the manual mode. I also know that coming to a complete stop, and then gassing it, works fine. I also know that just slowing down to a slow roll, and then immediately gassing it, there will be a delay. Again, I've learned to live with it. I figure that Hyundai designed a brand new transmission in 2012 and they programmed it very conservatively to ensure it doesn't self destruct in the case there is a design flaw. Imagine the cost of replacing 10s of thousands of these things...