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First Drive - 2015 Hyundai Genesis Sedan

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Reposting my First Drive review of the 2015 Genesis. It's a little long at about 1700+ words but there's just so much to write about!

First Drive - 2015 Hyundai Genesis Sedan
Premium with an Abundance of Safety and Technology
Henry Lee, Yahoo Contributor Network

Let me start of by saying, the new 2015 Hyundai Genesis sedan is "Awesomesauce." Refinement? Check. Quality? Check. Road noise? Hardly any. Technology? Plenty. Literally, all of the things when you think premium luxury, the new Genesis has it. So, let's begin. I will try to bring out some of the key highlights of the all-new 2015 Hyundai Genesis Sedan.

Genesis Design and Build Philosophically Changes

The biggest difference has more to do with the philosophy of how Hyundai built and designed the new Genesis than anything else. You can have the best parts in a car but, if they don't work in harmony, you can have a vehicle that just doesn't work well or has some serious flaws. Something that often happens in many companies is that the body engineers may not have cared what the chassis and suspension engineers were doing. So, when it came time for the suspension group to install their parts on the car, they didn't quite fit and this may have led to compromises in suspension geometry. Simply put, the left hand wasn't talking to the right hand. This is why it seemed like there was a huge disconnect between the engineering groups that put the first Genesis together. You could see and feel this in the previous Genesis.

The previous Genesis was good but lacked in ride quality compared to its competitors. Going over certain bumps on the road you could feel and hear the suspension components work against the body. You could at times feel the suspension "hit," which made for an upsetting and uneasy feeling. Not really something you want in a premium vehicle. So, as mentioned, Hyundai decided to do something different philosophically. They had all of their internal and outside third party engineers, from body to chassis engineers, to interior and exterior, working together for the first time.

A Suspenseful Suspension No More

Suspension tuning garnered some of the most attention. According to Wendell Collins, Engineering Manager of Ride and Handling, they spent roughly 1.5 years on the suspension tuning. The key to making the suspension better was to have Hyundai engineers working as a team in all phases and, as mentioned, bringing in outside experts to help with the suspension and chassis tuning, especially in more aggressive driving conditions. To help with this part of the vehicle build Hyundai brought in none other than the UK's, Lotus Engineering. According to Hyundai, there were several milestone marks and Lotus was brought in to give an unbiased viewpoint along the way. This was coupled with their years of knowledge and experience helping to improve and fix ride issues. They also made recommendations on suspension and chassis components, with much of the actual testing being done on the famed Nürburgring Nordschleife track in Germany. This testing focused on "high-limit tire and high-speed stability and suspensions evaluations."

The result is the best handling car Hyundai has ever put out in this segment. Whether you are doing some in-town driving or the more frequent blasts to 100 MPH that I was doing, it was clear that this was a solid handling vehicle in any condition, something the previous car had trouble doing. It's a comfy ride when you want it to be (the suspension quirkiness is gone), but for a guy like me who drives with a little more “spirit,” I always felt confident and safe in the car. The Genesis felt planted in abrupt cornering and braking maneuvers despite its heavy weight. The new steering system provided great response, not too light, not too heavy.

Briefly, some of the technology that made these leaps in ride improvement were only possible with some key things like using advanced high strength steel in more of the body, more than in any of the segment competitors. This, in turn, provided solid mounting points and made tuning the suspension easier because it was more predictable. Hyundai also ditched the hydraulic power steering unit replacing it with a Rack-Mounted Motor Driven Power Steering (R-MDPS) system. This system provides better responsiveness but, can also vary driver input effort depending on the drive mode you are in and vehicle speed. In addition, the V8 RWD models features suspension components that will stiffen depending on the drive mode you are in by utilizing a Continuous Damping Control (CDC) system.

Safety Is Technology

In this first review I won't be able to talk about all of the different tech features in the Genesis, but I did want to focus a little on the safety-related technology. One of the slicker safety features is how Hyundai has implemented their adaptive or Smart Cruise Control system (which uses radar) to work with the Automatic Emergency Braking System (AEB). When you are below 50 MPH the Genesis will automatically brake for you all the way to a complete stop. (The system still works above 50 MPH but only to partially slow a vehicle.) As a test I set the Smart Cruise to 45 MPH and followed a car in stop-and-go traffic. The car never went faster than the car in front of me thanks to the Smart Cruise, and then braked to a complete stop when the car in front stopped. Not that I would recommend doing this, but it's possible you could never have to touch the brake or accelerator under 50 MPH in stop-and-go traffic. How's that for technology? One step closer to getting those fully autonomously driven vehicles!

Although not a first in a Hyundai, the Genesis now comes with a color Heads Up Display (HUD) and helps keep your eyes on the road. The HUD system contains most of the important driver functions such as speed, but also overlays navigation directions and lane departure prevention warnings through the Lane Keep Assist system (LKAS). Start veering off course and you'll also get haptic feedback vibrations (think Sony PlayStation or Xbox game controller), in addition to the HUD display and audible warnings to remind you that you need to stay on course. Making lane changes gets a little safer with the Blind Spot Detection System (BSD). It also provides audible and visual alerts via the HUD when a vehicle is in your blind spot. This system is touted as a segment first.

Something that really impressed me though, is that Hyundai designed the new Genesis to pass the IIHS small overlap front crash test. Passing this test is not a government requirement but, if you've ever seen any of the crashes on YouTube, you would cringe at some of the potential deadly results. For me I wonder why the US government doesn't test for this, because as much as 25% of frontal collisions are this type of accident. Watch those videos and you will be glad that Hyundai did not turn a blind-eye. If Hyundai is able to pass the IIHS small overlap front crash test, combined with their other safety features, Hyundai should be able to receive a IIHS Top Safety Plus pick, something that no other luxury manufacture in this segment has done. It makes you wonder why you would buy a less safe vehicle for more money.

Going Backwards to Go Forward

Back in the speed race for computer chips it was always about which chip, Intel or AMD, had the most speed in gigahertz. It seemed like every three to six months the competition would leap-frog each other. It wasn't long before both camps realized that it was not always about how much power you had, but how you used that power, and then utilize and optimize that power efficiently. It's no different with horsepower numbers on cars. Why sacrifice drivability just to make peak horsepower numbers and have a bad driving experience? You could easily give up some of that horsepower but gain a much smoother, easier and safer driving vehicle. Hyundai recognized this, which is why the new Genesis has been detuned in both engine variants. Combined with the 8-speed transmission, the engines provide a drivetrain platform that has very smooth power delivery, yet you don't feel cheated in the power department.

Leisurely merge into traffic and the acceleration from both the V8 and V6 was tame and manageable. There was no sudden surge or over-acceleration and the throttle seemed easier to manipulate and was very predictable. If you wanted, you could still smash the go-juice and be given that surge of power, but even then it was still very manageable and pleasant. As a side note, if you are a power and speed freak like me, you could with the push of a button, disable the traction and stability controls and with a little throttle and brake manipulation, lay down nice long black tire marks with gratuitous amounts of tire smoke. Interestingly, despite the detuning, Hyundai still delivers power similar or better for the V6 and the V8 and easily keeps up with the competitors. No official ¼ mile numbers have been released, but they should be close, if not better than the previous generation.

Value Can Coexist With Premium

I hate to talk about value but the reality is the new redesigned Genesis sedan is a great value. Value does not mean cheap and it certainly can coexist with premium. There are too many things to list in this first review but I walk away from this car feeling like the Genesis is one of the best in the segment. When you add in value, it's just the icing on the cake. You do not in any way sacrifice quality, and the refinement in the new Genesis is on par to its direct competitors. I was very impressed. You'll love the Grammy Award winning Lexicon based sound system. The navigation system is top notch. The real wood, dash trim with real aluminum accents highlight a great interior. Most important to me though is you'll find huge leaps in safety technology, and in some cases Hyundai is bringing in technology that are segment firsts. CO2 cabin monitors, designing for the IIHS small overlap front crash test, Blind Spot Detection, and then combining Rear Cross-Traffic Alerts and Lane Change Assist in one package. Safety first is what I always say and for me, as a parent and husband, I value this over any premium feature.

The new Genesis sedan should hit dealer lots sometime in the middle of the year. Be sure to check one out for yourself, you will be glad you did!
 
Thanks for your review of the new Genesis. All sounds great. Can't wait to test drive one.
 
Henry - thanks for the review.

How would you compare the driving dynamics, ride and steering feel/feedback to the 5 Series, E Class and GS?

Don't think the Genesis will approach the driving dynamics of the CTS (particularly the CTS V-Sport), but if it is within the ballpark of the others, it should be just fine for the majority of buyers in this segment.
 
Henry - thanks for the review.

How would you compare the driving dynamics, ride and steering feel/feedback to the 5 Series, E Class and GS?

Don't think the Genesis will approach the driving dynamics of the CTS (particularly the CTS V-Sport), but if it is within the ballpark of the others, it should be just fine for the majority of buyers in this segment.

or better yet, how does it compare to the overall best in class A6/S6? throw in the CTS and Q70 if you can as well.
 
Thanks for your review of the new Genesis. All sounds great. Can't wait to test drive one.

Henry - thanks for the review.

How would you compare the driving dynamics, ride and steering feel/feedback to the 5 Series, E Class and GS?

Don't think the Genesis will approach the driving dynamics of the CTS (particularly the CTS V-Sport), but if it is within the ballpark of the others, it should be just fine for the majority of buyers in this segment.

Thanks guys appreciate the comments. You could probably tell but my target audience was tailored a little more to the safety conscience and a women audience. Thus my focus a little more on how the design of this Genesis came about and the safety features in the car versus in-car technology specifics like the infotainment system or powertrain details etc. I could have gone on for another 1000 words if I wanted lol.

As far as driving dynamics the Genesis compares very well with others in this segment (not speaking about the M5 or CTS-V, different type of car really). For how heavy the Genesis is I was amazed how little turn-in dive there was in hard corning and how the body roll, especially in Sport mode, was kept to a minimum (V8). We went through a few twisties and you got the feeling of sureness, the suspension complied very well even at speeds of 80-90MPH, foot on gas, never thinking about braking. I’m sure part of this was due to the 19” 245/40 fronts and 19” 275/35 rear tires too. I was pretty confident the whole time, although I can't say the same for my co-driver. I saw him tense up and brace himself a few times. lol.

I've not always been a fan of electric steering but the Genesis provided good feedback and the amount of driver input needed was very good. Depending on driving mode this could also be changed. More input needed in the Eco mode, less input and more precise in Sport mode.

Another good indication the suspension is good? Easy burnouts on a rough road! Lol I know that’s not really a test but when I'm doing my burnouts in the car the suspension never seemed to get out of “whack”, no excessive shaking that sometimes happens. Suspension, chassis and drivetrain was always very well-ordered, even on that rough patch of cement. New rear multilink system really helps here, as well as the strengthened body with the advanced high strength steel. Right around 51% in the Genesis. More than the next car (BMW 5-Series) which only uses about 32%. I mean if I had the room I could have done some nice drifting in this car, control and predictability was that good. The Hyundai and Lotus engineers really did their homework that's why I'm leaving hope that a future performance oriented car is still out there.

The whole package just worked not like in the previous generation. I can’t say enough good things. What would be nice is if Hyundai puts on drive events in certain regions for current and potential customers. Seeing is believing.
 
Henry - thanks for the review.

How would you compare the driving dynamics, ride and steering feel/feedback to the 5 Series, E Class and GS?

Don't think the Genesis will approach the driving dynamics of the CTS (particularly the CTS V-Sport), but if it is within the ballpark of the others, it should be just fine for the majority of buyers in this segment.

or better yet, how does it compare to the overall best in class A6/S6? throw in the CTS and Q70 if you can as well.

From C/D:
This new Genesis should give the Lexus GS, the BMW 5-series, and the Mercedes-Benz E-class a scare, while knocking off the well-rounded Audi A6 and the knife-edged Cadillac CTS in a sports-sedan shootout is probably asking too much.
 
What would be nice is if Hyundai puts on drive events in certain regions for current and potential customers. Seeing is believing.

They did that foe the Genesis Coupe after it was launched, which I was lucky enough to attend. I hope they do the same for 2015 Genesis. Otherwise, I can just wait for it to hit dealers and drive down my own twisty roads.
 
Great write up Henry. and great post about your "performance" driving, which may not make it into a review anywhere.

Now you've got me back on the fence of trading in my '12 R Spec. ;)
 
Thanks guys appreciate the comments. You could probably tell but my target audience was tailored a little more to the safety conscience and a women audience. Thus my focus a little more on how the design of this Genesis came about and the safety features in the car versus in-car technology specifics like the infotainment system or powertrain details etc. I could have gone on for another 1000 words if I wanted lol.

As far as driving dynamics the Genesis compares very well with others in this segment (not speaking about the M5 or CTS-V, different type of car really). For how heavy the Genesis is I was amazed how little turn-in dive there was in hard corning and how the body roll, especially in Sport mode, was kept to a minimum (V8). We went through a few twisties and you got the feeling of sureness, the suspension complied very well even at speeds of 80-90MPH, foot on gas, never thinking about braking. I’m sure part of this was due to the 19” 245/40 fronts and 19” 275/35 rear tires too. I was pretty confident the whole time, although I can't say the same for my co-driver. I saw him tense up and brace himself a few times. lol.

I've not always been a fan of electric steering but the Genesis provided good feedback and the amount of driver input needed was very good. Depending on driving mode this could also be changed. More input needed in the Eco mode, less input and more precise in Sport mode.

Another good indication the suspension is good? Easy burnouts on a rough road! Lol I know that’s not really a test but when I'm doing my burnouts in the car the suspension never seemed to get out of “whack”, no excessive shaking that sometimes happens. Suspension, chassis and drivetrain was always very well-ordered, even on that rough patch of cement. New rear multilink system really helps here, as well as the strengthened body with the advanced high strength steel. Right around 51% in the Genesis. More than the next car (BMW 5-Series) which only uses about 32%. I mean if I had the room I could have done some nice drifting in this car, control and predictability was that good. The Hyundai and Lotus engineers really did their homework that's why I'm leaving hope that a future performance oriented car is still out there.

The whole package just worked not like in the previous generation. I can’t say enough good things. What would be nice is if Hyundai puts on drive events in certain regions for current and potential customers. Seeing is believing.

sabbasaun Thanks again for the additional information. Does this car have the all around camera on the NAV or not? Did you have a chance to test out the 17 speakers?
 
Reposting my First Drive review of the 2015 Genesis. It's a little long at about 1700+ words but there's just so much to write about!



First Drive - 2015 Hyundai Genesis Sedan

Premium with an Abundance of Safety and Technology

Henry Lee, Yahoo Contributor Network



Let me start of by saying, the new 2015 Hyundai Genesis sedan is "Awesomesauce." Refinement? Check. Quality? Check. Road noise? Hardly any. Technology? Plenty. Literally, all of the things when you think premium luxury, the new Genesis has it. So, let's begin. I will try to bring out some of the key highlights of the all-new 2015 Hyundai Genesis Sedan.



Genesis Design and Build Philosophically Changes



The biggest difference has more to do with the philosophy of how Hyundai built and designed the new Genesis than anything else. You can have the best parts in a car but, if they don't work in harmony, you can have a vehicle that just doesn't work well or has some serious flaws. Something that often happens in many companies is that the body engineers may not have cared what the chassis and suspension engineers were doing. So, when it came time for the suspension group to install their parts on the car, they didn't quite fit and this may have led to compromises in suspension geometry. Simply put, the left hand wasn't talking to the right hand. This is why it seemed like there was a huge disconnect between the engineering groups that put the first Genesis together. You could see and feel this in the previous Genesis.



The previous Genesis was good but lacked in ride quality compared to its competitors. Going over certain bumps on the road you could feel and hear the suspension components work against the body. You could at times feel the suspension "hit," which made for an upsetting and uneasy feeling. Not really something you want in a premium vehicle. So, as mentioned, Hyundai decided to do something different philosophically. They had all of their internal and outside third party engineers, from body to chassis engineers, to interior and exterior, working together for the first time.



A Suspenseful Suspension No More



Suspension tuning garnered some of the most attention. According to Wendell Collins, Engineering Manager of Ride and Handling, they spent roughly 1.5 years on the suspension tuning. The key to making the suspension better was to have Hyundai engineers working as a team in all phases and, as mentioned, bringing in outside experts to help with the suspension and chassis tuning, especially in more aggressive driving conditions. To help with this part of the vehicle build Hyundai brought in none other than the UK's, Lotus Engineering. According to Hyundai, there were several milestone marks and Lotus was brought in to give an unbiased viewpoint along the way. This was coupled with their years of knowledge and experience helping to improve and fix ride issues. They also made recommendations on suspension and chassis components, with much of the actual testing being done on the famed Nürburgring Nordschleife track in Germany. This testing focused on "high-limit tire and high-speed stability and suspensions evaluations."



The result is the best handling car Hyundai has ever put out in this segment. Whether you are doing some in-town driving or the more frequent blasts to 100 MPH that I was doing, it was clear that this was a solid handling vehicle in any condition, something the previous car had trouble doing. It's a comfy ride when you want it to be (the suspension quirkiness is gone), but for a guy like me who drives with a little more “spirit,” I always felt confident and safe in the car. The Genesis felt planted in abrupt cornering and braking maneuvers despite its heavy weight. The new steering system provided great response, not too light, not too heavy.



Briefly, some of the technology that made these leaps in ride improvement were only possible with some key things like using advanced high strength steel in more of the body, more than in any of the segment competitors. This, in turn, provided solid mounting points and made tuning the suspension easier because it was more predictable. Hyundai also ditched the hydraulic power steering unit replacing it with a Rack-Mounted Motor Driven Power Steering (R-MDPS) system. This system provides better responsiveness but, can also vary driver input effort depending on the drive mode you are in and vehicle speed. In addition, the V8 RWD models features suspension components that will stiffen depending on the drive mode you are in by utilizing a Continuous Damping Control (CDC) system.



Safety Is Technology



In this first review I won't be able to talk about all of the different tech features in the Genesis, but I did want to focus a little on the safety-related technology. One of the slicker safety features is how Hyundai has implemented their adaptive or Smart Cruise Control system (which uses radar) to work with the Automatic Emergency Braking System (AEB). When you are below 50 MPH the Genesis will automatically brake for you all the way to a complete stop. (The system still works above 50 MPH but only to partially slow a vehicle.) As a test I set the Smart Cruise to 45 MPH and followed a car in stop-and-go traffic. The car never went faster than the car in front of me thanks to the Smart Cruise, and then braked to a complete stop when the car in front stopped. Not that I would recommend doing this, but it's possible you could never have to touch the brake or accelerator under 50 MPH in stop-and-go traffic. How's that for technology? One step closer to getting those fully autonomously driven vehicles!



Although not a first in a Hyundai, the Genesis now comes with a color Heads Up Display (HUD) and helps keep your eyes on the road. The HUD system contains most of the important driver functions such as speed, but also overlays navigation directions and lane departure prevention warnings through the Lane Keep Assist system (LKAS). Start veering off course and you'll also get haptic feedback vibrations (think Sony PlayStation or Xbox game controller), in addition to the HUD display and audible warnings to remind you that you need to stay on course. Making lane changes gets a little safer with the Blind Spot Detection System (BSD). It also provides audible and visual alerts via the HUD when a vehicle is in your blind spot. This system is touted as a segment first.



Something that really impressed me though, is that Hyundai designed the new Genesis to pass the IIHS small overlap front crash test. Passing this test is not a government requirement but, if you've ever seen any of the crashes on YouTube, you would cringe at some of the potential deadly results. For me I wonder why the US government doesn't test for this, because as much as 25% of frontal collisions are this type of accident. Watch those videos and you will be glad that Hyundai did not turn a blind-eye. If Hyundai is able to pass the IIHS small overlap front crash test, combined with their other safety features, Hyundai should be able to receive a IIHS Top Safety Plus pick, something that no other luxury manufacture in this segment has done. It makes you wonder why you would buy a less safe vehicle for more money.



Going Backwards to Go Forward



Back in the speed race for computer chips it was always about which chip, Intel or AMD, had the most speed in gigahertz. It seemed like every three to six months the competition would leap-frog each other. It wasn't long before both camps realized that it was not always about how much power you had, but how you used that power, and then utilize and optimize that power efficiently. It's no different with horsepower numbers on cars. Why sacrifice drivability just to make peak horsepower numbers and have a bad driving experience? You could easily give up some of that horsepower but gain a much smoother, easier and safer driving vehicle. Hyundai recognized this, which is why the new Genesis has been detuned in both engine variants. Combined with the 8-speed transmission, the engines provide a drivetrain platform that has very smooth power delivery, yet you don't feel cheated in the power department.



Leisurely merge into traffic and the acceleration from both the V8 and V6 was tame and manageable. There was no sudden surge or over-acceleration and the throttle seemed easier to manipulate and was very predictable. If you wanted, you could still smash the go-juice and be given that surge of power, but even then it was still very manageable and pleasant. As a side note, if you are a power and speed freak like me, you could with the push of a button, disable the traction and stability controls and with a little throttle and brake manipulation, lay down nice long black tire marks with gratuitous amounts of tire smoke. Interestingly, despite the detuning, Hyundai still delivers power similar or better for the V6 and the V8 and easily keeps up with the competitors. No official ¼ mile numbers have been released, but they should be close, if not better than the previous generation.



Value Can Coexist With Premium



I hate to talk about value but the reality is the new redesigned Genesis sedan is a great value. Value does not mean cheap and it certainly can coexist with premium. There are too many things to list in this first review but I walk away from this car feeling like the Genesis is one of the best in the segment. When you add in value, it's just the icing on the cake. You do not in any way sacrifice quality, and the refinement in the new Genesis is on par to its direct competitors. I was very impressed. You'll love the Grammy Award winning Lexicon based sound system. The navigation system is top notch. The real wood, dash trim with real aluminum accents highlight a great interior. Most important to me though is you'll find huge leaps in safety technology, and in some cases Hyundai is bringing in technology that are segment firsts. CO2 cabin monitors, designing for the IIHS small overlap front crash test, Blind Spot Detection, and then combining Rear Cross-Traffic Alerts and Lane Change Assist in one package. Safety first is what I always say and for me, as a parent and husband, I value this over any premium feature.



The new Genesis sedan should hit dealer lots sometime in the middle of the year. Be sure to check one out for yourself, you will be glad you did!


I can't believe Wendall Collins is still employed at Hyundai after the 2009 Genesis suspension debacle. This does not give me hope for the new 2015 year. We shall see.......
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@Henry: Thanks much for the write-up. I'm impressed by what I've read so far, and I'll test drive a '15 when the local dealers get them. Two things may deter me from buying one, though:

1. Cost: I just priced a loaded '15 V6, which would end up not far south of $60k out the door. That's nearly $20k more than I paid for my '11 V8 less than four years ago. Part of the problem is that each major accessory package requires the one(s) below it. So, for example, if you want the higher-end sound system, you have to get everything.

2. Reliability and dealer support: Knock on wood, I've had few problems so far. But I'm concerned about long-term reliability, especially for the electronics, since this Genesis has so much more.
 
or better yet, how does it compare to the overall best in class A6/S6? throw in the CTS and Q70 if you can as well.
Genesis does very well against the Audi A6 in my opinion. On the premium features scale the Genesis is right there and in many cases better. Q70 needs a refresh and starting to fall behind others in this segment. The ride quality in the Q70 is worse compared to the Genesis especially with the Genesis allowing you to change driving modes and tune the ride suspension a little in the V8, not so in the Q70. I’m half wishing that the Genesis had a 2.0t engine offering just to mess with the A6 and CTS at a much lower price point. I hate talking value with Hyundai anymore but it’s hard not to bring up, base starting on the A6 is what $43k? and with that you get FWD 2.0t.
They did that foe the Genesis Coupe after it was launched, which I was lucky enough to attend. I hope they do the same for 2015 Genesis. Otherwise, I can just wait for it to hit dealers and drive down my own twisty roads.
Yes I remember Hyundai doing this aswell and hope they keep doing the drive events. Let Hyundai know you want this by hounding them on Twitter!
sabbasaun Thanks again for the additional information. Does this car have the all around camera on the NAV or not? Did you have a chance to test out the 17 speakers?
You know honestly I don’t recall an all-around camera but they did have like a “Top View” on the NAV which I did not try out. Just too many features too little time. I did mess with the Lexicon sound system and it is really a quality system (either the 14 or 17 speaker). I was able to speak with a Lexicon rep that was onsite and they and Hyundai worked really closely to get the sound system in the car perfected. LOTS of R&D and testing. Not all about the wattage either, they have some really efficient ways to process the audio.
I can't believe Wendall Collins is still employed at Hyundai after the 2009 Genesis suspension debacle. This does not give me hope for the new 2015 year. We shall see.......
Well if you know a little bit how Hyundai operates you know that the US engineers often had their hands tied behind their backs. Fortunately for the new Genesis, Lotus was brought in and Hyundai really listened to the input they received. The Koreans are learning, at some point they may not need the outside resources but I think this is definitely going in the right direction.
@Henry: Thanks much for the write-up. I'm impressed by what I've read so far, and I'll test drive a '15 when the local dealers get them. Two things may deter me from buying one, though:
1. Cost: I just priced a loaded '15 V6, which would end up not far south of $60k out the door. That's nearly $20k more than I paid for my '11 V8 less than four years ago. Part of the problem is that each major accessory package requires the one(s) below it. So, for example, if you want the higher-end sound system, you have to get everything.
I’m not sure where the $61k figure came in at but I have a pricing sheet and even with AWD the V6 with Ultimate package MSRP is $51,500 (plus $950 freight) but agreed the price gets steeper as you add options. However, when looking feature to feature against the competitors, the CTS, BMW 5-Series, etc, you are probably 10-20k below some of the competitors. Also if the new Genesis is able to pass the IIHS small overlap test it will be the only maker to get a Top Safety Plus pick. How much is that safety worth to you? As a family man it means a lot!
2. Reliability and dealer support: Knock on wood, I've had few problems so far. But I'm concerned about long-term reliability, especially for the electronics, since this Genesis has so much more.
I’ve watched the evolution of the Genesis from when it was first just a concept vehicle and seen how important this model is to the entire Hyundai lineup. Hyundai is not going to put out a shoddy product in this segment because it effects their whole image for every product they make even down to the Accent. Will it have some problems? Probably but I don’t think it will be any more than normal and even then isolated. Will it make everyone happy? I doubt it but there is a reason you are seeing more and more people go into a Genesis. Hyundai has made huge improvement in quality and safety and people are saying, “Hey this is a pretty solid product, I’m gonna give it a try.”
 
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To tell the truth, the '15 Genesis only needed to thrash Lexus, Acura and Infinity to be a huge success. If they had done that and kept the pricing from growing "outa sight" that would have been plenty enough for me.
 
My biggest problem with my '11 Genesis is the navigation system, and from reading the forum I know that I am not alone. Any idea as to whether this problem has been solved?
(The photos that I have seen indicate that I will again have to replace the Hyundai H with wings again.)
 
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To tell the truth, the '15 Genesis only needed to thrash Lexus, Acura and Infinity to be a huge success. If they had done that and kept the pricing from growing "outa sight" that would have been plenty enough for me.

$5K more is out of sight? Really? I don't get it. You wanted Hyundai to improve the Genesis inside and out and yet you don't want to pay for these upgrades. :confused:
 
My biggest problem with my '11 Genesis is the navigation system, and from reading the forum I know that I am not alone. Any idea as to whether this problem has been solved?

They don't even remotely have the same software.
 
The answer is CarPlay.

I would much rather have Google maps and directions on my phone displayed and selectable on the cars large Nav screen, than a lackluster implementation that is outdated the moment it ships and charges heft rates for outdated maps.

http://www.apple.com/ios/carplay/?cid=wwa-us-kwg-features-com

I could not agree with you more. The new Genesis does at least have Siri Eyes. Not sure if this is only on the upgraded 9.2" screen however it is there.
 
@Henry: Thanks much for the write-up. I'm impressed by what I've read so far, and I'll test drive a '15 when the local dealers get them. Two things may deter me from buying one, though:
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2. Reliability and dealer support: Knock on wood, I've had few problems so far. But I'm concerned about long-term reliability, especially for the electronics, since this Genesis has so much more.

I think you're right on the money here, and personally, I wouldn't think of buying one without an extended service plan.
 
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