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first oil change at 600 miles?

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I just looked at the build date sticker on my car, and found that it was built mid-November 2010. So that probably means the car has been sitting at the dealership since January?
Even though I bought the car just 2 wks ago with 50 miles on it, it has been over 6 months. That means I should get the oil changed now, right? The recommendation is every 7500 miles or 6 months, whichever comes first?
 
You are going to get a bunch of responses telling you to "change it now" and a bunch that say "why bother, wait till 7500."

Me personally, I will probably do my first change at 3000 just to get out the first oil but there's no reason, IMO, to change it now. Sure, it won't hurt anything. Dealer may not do it for free though, since it's not on schedule...
 
Oil wont go bad in your car in 6 months. I would wait till 1000 at the earliest.
1k - Dump factory fill
3-5k next 2 oil changes
1 year or 7500 miles going forward...
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I just checked the owner's manual. I was wrong about oil change every 6 months.
For the regular schedule, it says to change oil every year or 7500 miles.
For the severe schedule, every 3 months or 3000 miles.

I'll probably wait a few thousand miles.
 
Wow! There are a lot of different opinions. It's tough to differentiate (for me) between "regular" and "severe" driving conditiond. I drive in a lot of stop and go but do not drive the car hard. Where does that fall. Based on more recent info from trotti, I changed the oil at 350 miles (his article suggests sooner but didn't know about it then). I'll change the oil again at about 1000 miles (based again on troti's article) with full synthetic (Pennzoil Platinum on sale at Pep Boys for about $5.50 quart). At what milage should I change it again?

Did a lot of research into synthetic oils and came away with a distrust of Amsoil for it's MLM and overly rabid distributors making flase claims, and Royal Purple (search Royal Purple and false advertising).

As a result decided to go with a major brand rather than a botique brand.
 
Wow! There are a lot of different opinions. It's tough to differentiate (for me) between "regular" and "severe" driving conditiond. I drive in a lot of stop and go but do not drive the car hard. Where does that fall. Based on more recent info from trotti, I changed the oil at 350 miles (his article suggests sooner but didn't know about it then). I'll change the oil again at about 1000 miles (based again on troti's article) with full synthetic (Pennzoil Platinum on sale at Pep Boys for about $5.50 quart). At what milage should I change it again?

Did a lot of research into synthetic oils and came away with a distrust of Amsoil for it's MLM and overly rabid distributors making flase claims, and Royal Purple (search Royal Purple and false advertising).

As a result decided to go with a major brand rather than a botique brand.
Pennzoil Platinum is definitely a good oil, but like Castrol Syntec it is a Group III "Synthetic" made from hydrocracked petroleum. Pennzoil Ultra, Mobil 1, and Castro Edge have substantial amounts of Group IV/V synthetics (PAO/ester base stock), even if they have some Group III base stock as well.

Most of these oils are available at Walmart at substantial savings if you purchase them in 5 quart jugs. I agree that the botique brands are not very cost effective, since they have little economy of scale, and purchase their base stocks from the majors (mostly from ExxonMobil).
 
Wow! There are a lot of different opinions. It's tough to differentiate (for me) between "regular" and "severe" driving conditiond. I drive in a lot of stop and go but do not drive the car hard. Where does that fall. Based on more recent info from trotti, I changed the oil at 350 miles (his article suggests sooner but didn't know about it then). I'll change the oil again at about 1000 miles (based again on troti's article) with full synthetic (Pennzoil Platinum on sale at Pep Boys for about $5.50 quart). At what milage should I change it again?

Did a lot of research into synthetic oils and came away with a distrust of Amsoil for it's MLM and overly rabid distributors making flase claims, and Royal Purple (search Royal Purple and false advertising).

As a result decided to go with a major brand rather than a botique brand.

Pennzoil Platinum is very good and one of the best majors. I am inclined not to extend OCiI's during the first year. So if you want to be safe and plan on keeping the car for a long time, I would keep the OCI's to under 5k for the first year, then get on the one year or 7500 mile manufacturers recommended change interval.
 
^^^^^
Thanks for the advice. Pennzoil has an "Ultra" out that is supposed to be better but...it wasn't on sale. Researching oil was an eye opener. I almost just went and bought Amsoil based on all the good reviews. But then discovered that all of the good reviews are written by distributors. Not saying it isn't good oil but to a novice like me for whom the tech lingo is a foreign language, it was simpler finally to go with a known brand.
 
I've read that some autos come from the factory with a special oil additive package to aid break in, don't know if it's true or not. But IIRC the wifes last Accord V6, an 08, owners manual had a caution not to change oil the first time before the oil life monitor showed 10 or 15%. Consensus on the Accord owners forum was the original oil did have extra additives. Something to consider before dumping the new oil with so few miles.
 
I've read that some autos come from the factory with a special oil additive package to aid break in, don't know if it's true or not. But IIRC the wifes last Accord V6, an 08, owners manual had a caution not to change oil the first time before the oil life monitor showed 10 or 15%. Consensus on the Accord owners forum was the original oil did have extra additives. Something to consider before dumping the new oil with so few miles.
I believe that the consensus was probably wrong. Honda just wanted to make sure that people didn't put in synthetic too soon, which can cause problems with proper piston seating during initial break-in due to extremely low friction with synthetics.
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Thanks for the advice. Pennzoil has an "Ultra" out that is supposed to be better but...it wasn't on sale. Researching oil was an eye opener. I almost just went and bought Amsoil based on all the good reviews. But then discovered that all of the good reviews are written by distributors. Not saying it isn't good oil but to a novice like me for whom the tech lingo is a foreign language, it was simpler finally to go with a known brand.
The really expensive Amsoil is very good, but no better than Castrol Edge, Mobil 1 EP, or Pennzoil Ultra, even though Amsoil costs a lot more. The "OEM" Amsoil is a run-of-the mill Group III synthetic. But using any name-brand synthetic and changing every 5,000 miles is probably better than using the best synthetic changing every 15,000 miles.
 
Maybe so, I had never heard of it before. It didn't revise my oil change schedule any but it was an interesting theory. Owners car, owners money, owners should do what seems right for them.
 
I just checked the owner's manual. I was wrong about oil change every 6 months.
For the regular schedule, it says to change oil every year or 7500 miles.
For the severe schedule, every 3 months or 3000 miles.

I'll probably wait a few thousand miles.


The 2011 Genesis owner's manual mentions under severe conditions, to change the oil every 3 months or 3000 miles. The 2012 manual says that for severe conditions, to change it every 3750 miles or 6 months. Since both cars have very similar engines, I wonder why the change?
 
For Nextcar's original question - that his car had sat for a few months on the dealer lot and thus he was worried about "time interval" aspect of the oil change...

First, understand why does oil need to be changed based on miles OR time? And how do car-like engines used in other devices (e.g. boats) specify oil changes since they don't have odometers? What's the rational used - how did we end up with "7,500 miles or 12 months, whichever comes first" type of things for road cars?

Most non-car piston engines specify oil change intervals based on number of HOURS the engine has been run. Boats and aircraft typically have hour meters on them. Those motors often spend a far greater percentage of their operating time at or near high power too... so "hours" gives a pretty good indication of revolutions the engine has made and thus how many times the oil has circulated. That boat or airplane engine runs at high power routinely... unlike a road car engine that is asked to generate numbers like 12HP to 20HP (steady highway cruise) for most of its life, 100HP runs for typical accelerations from a stop, and the occasional lead-foot blast at full power. But "full power" is barely a few percent of the engine's running on a car, unlike a boat or aircraft. So "hours" is a much less reliable way to determine "usage" of a car engine. Ergo we get miles... which also saves the car makers a few bucks since they don't have to add an "hours" display - they just use the existing odometer. The "usage" based oil change interval (hours or miles) basically is intended to cover oil breakdown from physical abuse inside the engine and particulate accumulation. Particulates come from air+fuel or combustion gasses that manage to sneak past (blow-by) the piston rings (no rings seal 100% perfectly) and that don't get sucked out by the Positive Crankcase Ventilation System (PCV valve & vacuum hoses). Those particulates are actually a little acidic... they accumulate in the oil and slowly eat the engine from inside once the oil absorbs all it can chemically block/handle. Also, some teeny metal bits continually wear from engine parts too... gotta flush those out once in a while. The oil filter captures some of this of course, but not all.

The "...or 12 months" part of car engine oil change intervals comes from humidity. The air brought into the engine for the combustion product of course has whatever the outside/ambient humidity level is. Remember the blow-by? On a stone-cold engine, any humidity in the blow-by gasses may condense into water along the insides of the cold engine block or cold oil pan. Water in the oil is A VERY BAD THING for the rest of the engine. Water not only is damaging to the engine bearings, it also reacts with the blow-by particulates to form those acids. So changing the oil every few months or every year is necessary to get that water out.

Rather than trying to fine-tune/tailor the miles/time intervals to different areas of the country (after all, Phoenix Arizona has less humidity than Seattle Washington, right?) and having a nightmare for warranty claims, and/or making it a nightmare for owners to keep track of, manufacturers basically set the limits based on the "worst expected" conditions. So folks in Arizona probably could get by with more than 12 months but the "simple" owner's manual guidelines don't say that.

As for "normal use" versus "severe duty" - what is that really? It varies from manufacturer to manufacturer but a big chunk of it is how often is the vehicle driven only a few minutes before being shut off again? Folks that do a lot of short drives - so the engine barely warms up - stress the engine and oil a LOT more. First, a stone-cold engine block and cold pistons have some physical dimension/size, right? But as the engine warms up, thermal expansion makes everything grow a little bit. The pistons have to grow quickly - after all, they're front-n-center with the heat source! So they have to be "undersized" when stone cold so they have room to grow before the block warms up and starts growing too. That means the piston ring to block clearances are largest on a cold engine... so that's when the engine gets the most blow-by particulates/contamination. And the colder the engine, the more likely any trapped humidity will condense into water. More blow-by = more trapped water so it's a double-whammy.

If you get the engine & oil hot enough for a while, the water will evaporate out again... and get sucked up by the PCV system. Not running the car long enough for this to happens hastens how quickly water accumulates in the oil. So that's one part of "severe duty" - lots of short trips that don't let the engine run a full temps for a while. Idling is also hard on some engines; in carb days and early fuel injection days there had to be "excess" fuel in the air+fuel mix just to make sure enough gas got into the cylinders to burn. Big cylinders (to make big horsepower) fed only a teeny bit of air (all that is needed to make idle horsepower) and little fuel end up with the air+fuel molecules spread out in the cylinder - they may not be close enough to spread the burn reliably. A little extra gas makes sure the flame spreads. But any unburned gas slides down the cylinder walls, past the piston rings, into the oil pan. Unburned gas is about as bad as water in the oil; it prevents the oil from bonding to metal parts (e.g. the engine bearings) so those parts get denied oil protection. This problem is nowhere near as bad today with modern port fuel injection but it's still not totally gone either. So lots of stop-n-go driving, with lots of idling, puts gas into the oil too. Ergo change it more often to keep the oil clean ==> severe duty.

From a car engine's point of view, steady highway driving is the "easiest" of all. The engine has a chance to reach total thermal equilibrium so there are no parts still expanding while others are not - differential expansion is a source of physical stress in the engine. The air+fuel mixture is optimized for best emissions so 99.999999% of the gas burns and goes out the tailpipe; very little should remain "unburned" to sneak past the rings and end up in the oil. And the engine is plenty warm enough to evaporate any trapped water or gas so the oil has a chance to clean up a bit. And highway miles are low RPMs yet the miles accrue rapidly - far more rapidly than slower speed driving in town with normal stop lights, idling, spending time in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. gear, and whatnot. So "1000 highway miles" might be only half or a third of "1000 city" miles worth of engine revolutions ==> half to a third as much physical wear.

Since I live in SoCal, with generally low humidity levels, I pretty much ignore the "...or 3 months" factory specified oil change intervals on my older cars. They get it based on miles or 1 year, whichever comes first. They don't get lots of short trips either. They're long out of warranty so it doesn't matter. For my still-under-warranty Genesis though I do follow the miles and time factory intervals - I don't want to give Hyundai any reason to deny a warranty claim.

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The 2011 Genesis owner's manual mentions under severe conditions, to change the oil every 3 months or 3000 miles. The 2012 manual says that for severe conditions, to change it every 3750 miles or 6 months. Since both cars have very similar engines, I wonder why the change?
The 2012 3.8L V6 has GDI (Gasoline Direct Injection) which put much higher demands on your oil. One of the problems with GDI is fuel dilution, whereby some small quantities of gasoline gets into the oil diluting its effectiveness. Therefore I would highly recommend a synthetic oil once you hit a few thousand miles (run conventional or factory fill until then).
 
The 2012 3.8L V6 has GDI (Gasoline Direct Injection) which put much higher demands on your oil. One of the problems with GDI is fuel dilution, whereby some small quantities of gasoline gets into the oil diluting its effectiveness. Therefore I would highly recommend a synthetic oil once you hit a few thousand miles (run conventional or factory fill until then).


If the GDI engine in the 2012 model places more demands on the oil, then why does the 2012 manual call for less frequent oil changes compared to 2011 under severe usage? (6 months, 3750 miles for 2012 vs. 3 months 3000 miles for 2011). Is the oil filter for 2012 different or better?
 
If the GDI engine in the 2012 model places more demands on the oil, then why does the 2012 manual call for less frequent oil changes compared to 2011 under severe usage? (6 months, 3750 miles for 2012 vs. 3 months 3000 miles for 2011). Is the oil filter for 2012 different or better?
Oops. I didn't read the post correctly. I don't think the oil filter is better. If anything has changed, it is motor oil, which has improved over the years, and most conventional oils now contain at least small amounts of Group III synthetic as an additive. Full synthetics have always been good.

Sometimes, too much is made of these differences, and they are in part determined by the marketing people, who are often in competition with other auto manufacturers with regard to maintenance intervals when buyers are considering different cars. If you were to look at the warranty and maintenance schedules for the Genesis in various countries in the world where it is sold, you would notice they are usually different depending on the marketing situation and government regulation in that country (some countries are mandating longer oil change intervals to conserve use of oil and cut down on problems of disposing of used oil).
 
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