G70 US Availability?

[KDX]

What if it was a 2017 loaded M4...with low miles? Or a 2017 R S5 for that matter. That would be a steal on both counts...hahaha.

I highly doubt I will own another BMW and the Audis are not that appealing to me.

 

[Aquineas]

Btw in my opinion it's a near certainty that there is an N-Performance version of this car coming. That's one of the reasons they hired Fayez Abdul Rahman.

 

[Tonester]

I definitely wouldn't pay over $52k for a used car.

I was thinking that IF the G70 top spec is over 52K, I'd rather pay in the mid to high 40's for a CPO A5 Sportback. They retail for mid 50's new, so yeah that would be stupid to pay anywhere near that for a used car.

 

[Beefer]

I was thinking that IF the G70 top spec is over 52K, I'd rather pay in the mid to high 40's for a CPO A5 Sportback. They retail for mid 50's new, so yeah that would be stupid to pay anywhere near that for a used car.

Remember though...the G70 aligns with the S4/S5...in regards to performance.

 

[Truffleshuffle]

This whole g70 release as well as genesis brand startup has been a disaster in my opinion.

They have been mum on the only thing about this car that we haven't known for months, PRICE. And while 50k is a good value and wouldn't undercut stinger sales we all know that genesis brand has terrible residual value and that isn't likely to change soon.

Also they really need to do something about the fuel economy of their 3.3. Its inexcusable to be getting performance of a 340 with fuel economy of an m3. Heck even the 2.0 is about 4-5 mpg lower than others in the same class

Also, Genesis hasn't said a peep about their CPO process which has really put me in limbo. No way I'm paying 52k or higher for a g70 when a super low mileage g80 sport goes for 45k (nearly 15 grand under sticker in less than a year with sub 10k miles). Yes its a good value if you're comparing against new stickers of its euro competitors, but even those as others have mentioned can be found certified for much much less with better warranties in some cases than new. A quick look finds an audi a4 prestige with s line /sport package for close to 40k with under 10k miles

Also, how are updated interior and exterior color options to mastch the rest of the world for model year 19 g80 not even announced yet.

Hoping a test drive reinvigorates my excitement for this car, but at this point I'm gonna hold off until used g70s hit lots and keep an eye on g80 sports with a hope that genesis just ports over the Hyundai CPO process. It shouldn't be this hard to get information

 

[steelers84]

This whole g70 release as well as genesis brand startup has been a disaster in my opinion.

They have been mum on the only thing about this car that we haven't known for months, PRICE. And while 50k is a good value and wouldn't undercut stinger sales we all know that genesis brand has terrible residual value and that isn't likely to change soon.

Also they really need to do something about the fuel economy of their 3.3. Its inexcusable to be getting performance of a 340 with fuel economy of an m3. Heck even the 2.0 is about 4-5 mpg lower than others in the same class

Also, Genesis hasn't said a peep about their CPO process which has really put me in limbo. No way I'm paying 52k or higher for a g70 when a super low mileage g80 sport goes for 45k (nearly 15 grand under sticker in less than a year with sub 10k miles). Yes its a good value if you're comparing against new stickers of its euro competitors, but even those as others have mentioned can be found certified for much much less with better warranties in some cases than new. A quick look finds an audi a4 prestige with s line /sport package for close to 40k with under 10k miles

Also, how are updated interior and exterior color options to mastch the rest of the world for model year 19 g80 not even announced yet.

Hoping a test drive reinvigorates my excitement for this car, but at this point I'm gonna hold off until used g70s hit lots and keep an eye on g80 sports with a hope that genesis just ports over the Hyundai CPO process. It shouldn't be this hard to get information

I don't mind the release but I think it's because the absolute earliest I would like to buy is September, with the more realistic intention of waiting until March.

However, one of your points is valid - the fuel economy on this thing is just terrible. I would expect closer to 20/28 city and highway MPG which would put it much closer to the competition, and it unfortunately isn't close.

 

[Tonester]

Remember though...the G70 aligns with the S4/S5...in regards to performance.

That is true, but remember the A5 SB gets to 60 in about 5.3 seconds (per Car & Driver). Yeah, that's a fair bit behind the G70 3.3T, but much faster than what we're hearing about the G70 2.0T at around 7 seconds per AoA.

The G70 2.0T needs to be faster and both engines need better fuel economy to compete better with the Germans! Surely the 2.0T will be faster once fully released and tested fairly, but I doubt it'll come anywhere close to the Audi 2.0T. There are some other pluses that Audi has over Genesis, but that is for another discussion...

 

[Bamm1]

Dear Genesis USA,

If you happen to be reading this forum I would like to state that pricing the G70 3.3T Sport HTRAC at $50k is a FANTASTIC idea! I will likely ignore the fuel economy deficit, small trunk size, poor residual value, lower tier dealer network and nonexistent rear toe room at that price.

Lastly, just a fair warning. The higher your price goes the worse my concerns over those "worst in class" attributes become.

Signed, Possible Future Customer

 

[stingermang]

What if it was a 2017 loaded M4...with low miles? Or a 2017 R S5 for that matter. That would be a steal on both counts...hahaha.

On cargurus.com right now:
2018 Genesis G80 3.3T Sport - $51,803

(yes it's new)

mang.

(Didn't want to post the link because of search parameters exposed in the URL.)

 

[Windchaser]

On cargurus.com right now:
2018 Genesis G80 3.3T Sport - $51,803

(yes it's new)

mang.

(Didn't want to post the link because of search parameters exposed in the URL.)

RWD or AWD? What color?

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[Truffleshuffle]

On cargurus.com right now:
2018 Genesis G80 3.3T Sport - $51,803

(yes it's new)

mang.

(Didn't want to post the link because of search parameters exposed in the URL.)

I’d be all over the g80 sport right now if it had some of the interior updates (Napa leather) from the g70 and came in Mallorca blue in the states

 

[stingermang]

RWD or AWD? What color?

Aww gosh. If I wasn't in a friendly type mood I'd give you crap about your CarGuru-Fu.

Genesis G80 3.3T Sport V6 4D Sedan Black RWD 8-Speed Automatic with SHIFTRONIChttp://www.kbbreport.com/oknbv

Additional Information
REAR BUMPER APPLIQUE,GRAY PREMIUM LEATHER SEATING SURFACES,VICTORIA BLACK,CARPETED FLOOR MATS,Turbocharged,Rear Wheel Drive,Active Suspension,Power Steering,ABS,4-Wheel Disc Brakes,Brake Assist,Aluminum Wheels,Tires - Front Performance,Tires - Rear Performance,Temporary Spare Tire,Sun/Moonroof,Generic Sun/Moonroof,Dual Moonroof,Heated Mirrors,Power Mirror(s),Integrated Turn Signal Mirrors,Power Folding Mirrors,Rear Defrost,Intermittent Wipers,Variable Speed Intermittent Wipers,Rain Sensing Wipers,Daytime Running Lights,Automatic Headlights,Headlights-Auto-Leveling,AM/FM Stereo,CD Player,Navigation System,Premium Sound System,Satellite Radio,MP3 Player,Bluetooth Connection,Telematics,Auxiliary Audio Input,HD Radio,Smart Device Integration,Steering Wheel Audio Controls,Hard Disk Drive Media Storage,Power Driver Seat,Power Passenger Seat,Bucket Seats,Heated Front Seat(s),Driver Adjustable Lumbar,Passenger Adjustable Lumbar,Seat Memory,Cooled Front Seat(s),Pass-Through Rear Seat,Heated Rear Seat(s),Rear Bench Seat,Adjustable Steering Wheel,Trip Computer,Power Windows,Leather Steering Wheel,Keyless Entry,Power Door Locks,Keyless Start,Remote Trunk Release,Hands-Free Liftgate,Universal Garage Door Opener,Cruise Control,Adaptive Cruise Control,Climate Control,Multi-Zone A/C,Leather Seats,Auto-Dimming Rearview Mirror,Driver Vanity Mirror,Passenger Vanity Mirror,Driver Illuminated Vanity Mirror,Passenger Illuminated Visor Mirror,Floor Mats,Mirror Memory,Remote Engine Start,Heads-Up Display,Security System,Engine Immobilizer,Traction Control,Stability Control,Front Side Air Bag,Blind Spot Monitor,Cross-Traffic Alert,Lane Departure Warning,Lane Keeping Assist,Rear Parking Aid,Tire Pressure Monitor,Driver Air Bag,Passenger Air Bag,Front Head Air Bag,Rear Head Air Bag,Passenger Air Bag Sensor,Rear Side Air Bag,Knee Air Bag,Child Safety Locks,Back-Up Camera

Dealer's Price:$51,803
Dealer Discount$4,492
MSRP:$56,295
Location:San Jose, CA
Transmission:8-Speed Automatic Overdrive
Exterior Color:Victoria Black
Interior Color:Gray
Engine:V6Drivetrain:Rear-Wheel Drive
VIN:KMHGN4JB7JU243835
Stock #:G1726TX
Condition:New


mang.

 

[CoconutRob]

Aww gosh. If I wasn't in a friendly type mood I'd give you crap about your CarGuru-Fu.

Genesis G80 3.3T Sport V6 4D Sedan Black RWD 8-Speed Automatic with SHIFTRONIChttp://www.kbbreport.com/oknbv

Additional Information
REAR BUMPER APPLIQUE,GRAY PREMIUM LEATHER SEATING SURFACES,VICTORIA BLACK,CARPETED FLOOR MATS,Turbocharged,Rear Wheel Drive,Active Suspension,Power Steering,ABS,4-Wheel Disc Brakes,Brake Assist,Aluminum Wheels,Tires - Front Performance,Tires - Rear Performance,Temporary Spare Tire,Sun/Moonroof,Generic Sun/Moonroof,Dual Moonroof,Heated Mirrors,Power Mirror(s),Integrated Turn Signal Mirrors,Power Folding Mirrors,Rear Defrost,Intermittent Wipers,Variable Speed Intermittent Wipers,Rain Sensing Wipers,Daytime Running Lights,Automatic Headlights,Headlights-Auto-Leveling,AM/FM Stereo,CD Player,Navigation System,Premium Sound System,Satellite Radio,MP3 Player,Bluetooth Connection,Telematics,Auxiliary Audio Input,HD Radio,Smart Device Integration,Steering Wheel Audio Controls,Hard Disk Drive Media Storage,Power Driver Seat,Power Passenger Seat,Bucket Seats,Heated Front Seat(s),Driver Adjustable Lumbar,Passenger Adjustable Lumbar,Seat Memory,Cooled Front Seat(s),Pass-Through Rear Seat,Heated Rear Seat(s),Rear Bench Seat,Adjustable Steering Wheel,Trip Computer,Power Windows,Leather Steering Wheel,Keyless Entry,Power Door Locks,Keyless Start,Remote Trunk Release,Hands-Free Liftgate,Universal Garage Door Opener,Cruise Control,Adaptive Cruise Control,Climate Control,Multi-Zone A/C,Leather Seats,Auto-Dimming Rearview Mirror,Driver Vanity Mirror,Passenger Vanity Mirror,Driver Illuminated Vanity Mirror,Passenger Illuminated Visor Mirror,Floor Mats,Mirror Memory,Remote Engine Start,Heads-Up Display,Security System,Engine Immobilizer,Traction Control,Stability Control,Front Side Air Bag,Blind Spot Monitor,Cross-Traffic Alert,Lane Departure Warning,Lane Keeping Assist,Rear Parking Aid,Tire Pressure Monitor,Driver Air Bag,Passenger Air Bag,Front Head Air Bag,Rear Head Air Bag,Passenger Air Bag Sensor,Rear Side Air Bag,Knee Air Bag,Child Safety Locks,Back-Up Camera

Dealer's Price:$51,803
Dealer Discount$4,492
MSRP:$56,295
Location:San Jose, CA
Transmission:8-Speed Automatic Overdrive
Exterior Color:Victoria Black
Interior Color:Gray
Engine:V6Drivetrain:Rear-Wheel Drive
VIN:KMHGN4JB7JU243835
Stock #:G1726TX
Condition:New


mang.

Interesting

 

[dengen]

. . .
Do not compare prior model years...and do not compare used/CPO. New to new...identical specs and year.

Look I see your point, but buyers (like me, for one) - WILL Be comparing CPOs in MB/BMW/AUDI/Lexus to a new G70. I'm literally going to do this.

 

[Beefer]

Look I see your point, but buyers (like me, for one) - WILL Be comparing CPOs in MB/BMW/AUDI/Lexus to a new G70. I'm literally going to do this.

That’s fine...but I think the point is being missed.

Not trying to determine value for a consumer ...but rather a loose formula to predict the cost of the top G70.

 

[Slides]

n/m, misread

 

[Truffleshuffle]

even if you don’t compare against other manufacturers cpo offerings the scenario of a new “current” model year g80 sport costing less out the door than a new g70 3.3 sport is very real. What does that signal to customers? I don’t think I’ve over seen a loaded 5 series be less than a loaded 3 series (all else equal)

 

[Tonester]

Looks like there's a new video from #AutoNetwork on the Media Launch event from last week:

At minute 1:35 he talk about wheels. Here is a freeze frame from that.



There is a conflict of information since the trim descriptions from last week show all of the 3.3T trims having 19" wheels and the AoA 3.3T video shows the 18" wheels. Likely they didn't have enough 19" Machine Finished wheels for the event cars and it was only shown on the 2.0T Sport (to my knowledge). Makes sense to me that they'd just make the 19" MF wheel optional for the non-Sport 3.3T trims and leave the 19" dark wheel for Sport only; just speculating here.

There are some other good nuggets in this video! It's a bit echoey, but you can still understand what he's saying...

 

[stingermang]

That’s fine...but I think the point is being missed.

Not trying to determine value for a consumer ...but rather a loose formula to predict the cost of the top G70.

When we're discussing luxury goods, isn't there a hairsbreadth difference between value and price? Relatively speaking, I could find the proverbial village bicycle of a Honda civic for $1800 tomorrow which will get me from point A to B. (Gangnam style! Hehe.)

I feel ya on trying to determine a pricing model...just think it's more complex than anything discussed so far*.

mang.

*Should probably add I work in the finance industry where we do a lot of modeling to figure out what a company is worth. Some of these valuation models are so complex they cause Excel to cry. I can't imagine it's extremely different for the automotive industry...I'll grant you we're looking at a specific vertical inside a much larger space, plus you know someone figured this out a long time ago. (I.E.- Before they queued manufacturing for another Genesis model.)

[edit:argh.words.]

 

[AnyVare]

Alright, now that the barrage of marketing reviews are out, did anyone get a sense for a realistic launch date? Between the videos and the articles, I was able to see two possibilities. 1) Maybe September 2018 and 2) Maybe Q1/2019?