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GENESIS ANNOUNCES ALL-NEW 2021 GENESIS G80 PRICING; STARTS AT COMPETITIVE $47,700

Where's all the Canadian prices for these 2021 Genesis vehicles? Seem to be holding out on us.

Was hoping the 3.5T Prestige AWD would be ~$70kCAD max...
 
I just looked at it some more, Standard is impressively equipped, especially with ALL the safety stuff, Standard would be my choice, no sunroof (I hate sunroofs, useless IMO), and 18" wheels (better than 19" to absorb bumps...), still comes with the 14.5" screen too, impressed for sure. Usually base models are to be avoided because they don't have the good stuff, but that's not the case here.
One might wanna get the top trim for Surround View and Smart Park, but besides that it doesn't really add anything useful to the base/standard.

Anyway, I don't want to put down sedans, that's what I have now, but if I'm spending a lot of cash on a brand new car, it will be for the long haul (10-15 years), and to get bigger cargo capacity for those few times you need to carry something big, so I am still waiting for the GV70, and I'm leaning toward a Hyundai Tucson, which I never thought would happen, but it's rumored to have the new 2.5T engine and the new 10.25 infotainment system, so that might be worth a look too, especially if it's really reasonably price. I don't want to start a discussion about Hyundai Tucson, I know this is about Genesis, so let's not deviate from the OP, I'm just mentioning MY options.
 
Looking like they nailed the pricing, with the 2.5t prestige AWD and 3.5tt standard AWD being huge values when compared to its competitors.
 
It does seem their pricing is moving ever-upwards as they gain more success. Not unlike Lexus' gradual path - from being far less than their luxury competitors to slowly inching closer and closer.

A solid long-term strategy for the brand. First, build great cars. Second, get people to drive them, review them. Third, steal some market share (must lead with the "value" argument (price) to sway Merc, BMW, Lexus buyers). Repeat for a few years till the brand starts getting some "legs" with the early-adopters (guys like us) who swoon about them and spread the word. As market share and revenues grow and some brand loyalty develops start shrinking the "value" pitch (to earn better profits). Repeat gradually year by year.
You forgot the next 2 steps.
- Raise prices, reduce cost/quality.
- Repeat

This is the typical marketing playbook for the auto industry (actually any industry). The Asians did this in the 1970's/80's. I was a Honda/Acura fanboy for years, but as prices went up and quality went down I moved away to Hyundai/Genesis.
 
Looking like they nailed the pricing, with the 2.5t prestige AWD and 3.5tt standard AWD being huge values when compared to its competitors.

Yes, there seems to be some sticker-shock to us longtime Genesis-knowledgeable folks... but anyone properly comparing the 2021 G80 to an equivalently spec'ed Merc E-Class, BMW 5-Series or Audio A6 is going to be quite shocked how much they can save.

I think they've nailed the pricing for what you get in this vehicle (from what I've seen and read, so far).

Genesis pricing is going to keep creeping up as their brand becomes more accepted and acknowledged. As I would do if I ran the brand.
 
You forgot the next 2 steps.
- Raise prices, reduce cost/quality.
- Repeat

This is the typical marketing playbook for the auto industry (actually any industry). The Asians did this in the 1970's/80's. I was a Honda/Acura fanboy for years, but as prices went up and quality went down I moved away to Hyundai/Genesis.

Yeah, not an uncommon result (with poorly-run companies). When economies soften, or competition steals revenue, many companies attempt to boost short-term profits by cost-cutting. It usually works - short term profits increase, the Quarter looks good, shareholders rejoice. All at the expense of long-term, sustainable success. Inevitably, the quality reduction gets noticed, the reputation sours., customers become dissatisfied, sales get tougher and tougher.

In bad times, smart companies invest more, not less, to power thru it. It's risky, yes. But done right, you quickly kill off the weaker competition. As they trim costs and reduce the quality on their products, your products are getting better! The delta stands out fast!

This is my experience, anyway. I joined (and ran) a start-up hardware tech company in the media industry. Spent 16 years there building it from $3mm when I joined to over $200mm (and very profitable) when we finally sold (at a great multiple). Went thru the horrible 2000-2002 dot-com financial implosion that killed tech, then the 2008 financial crisis. Both events wiped out several of our competitors (edit to add that it hurt us terribly as well, but we survived, then thrived). Others shrank and dwindled. We invested., hired the best folks from our competitors. We went from about the 10th biggest company in our industry when I joined, to number 2 by the time we sold. (It is now, by far, the biggest after it merged with the #3 (after I left). A very rewarding experience all around.
 
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Thanks for the detailed update, Sal. Much appreciated!

Main thing that bothers me is that to get leather seating, we will have to go all the way up to the PRESTIGE package which starts at $56,600. That’s quite a hike over the $43,500 for a standard 2020 G80. While I appreciate the 2021 will have a lot of better, more compelling features, the pricing still seems awfully ambitious for a marque which hasn’t yet achieved “equal perception” to most customers. And I’m not a fan of a turbo 4 cylinder in such a big, heavy car.

I guess this means I need to get off my fat keister and buy one of the 2020’s which have been sitting on the lots down here in Texas!

Thanks,
Don
 
I just looked at it some more, Standard is impressively equipped, especially with ALL the safety stuff, Standard would be my choice, no sunroof (I hate sunroofs, useless IMO), and 18" wheels (better than 19" to absorb bumps...), still comes with the 14.5" screen too, impressed for sure. Usually base models are to be avoided because they don't have the good stuff, but that's not the case here.
It's almost unheard of in this segment for the base model to come standard with adaptive cruise control, nevermind Genesis's full-on highway driving system. I think that alone gives the base model an edge. And in America, a lot of people here like bigger cars, and so the presumably greater interior space will be a benefit against the smaller Germans.

Realistically, I don't think the base model will be that common, dealerships would opt at least for the advanced package to fill their lots.
 
It does seem their pricing is moving ever-upwards as they gain more success. Not unlike Lexus' gradual path - from being far less than their luxury competitors to slowly inching closer and closer.

The base trim is more than $10k over what I paid for my new '19 base trim just six months ago.

A fairly hefty price-increase, but this is the 1st G80 that can truly go head-to-head w/ the Germans.

1. New lightweight platform w/ numerous aluminum body-panels to cut further weight.

2. New 2.5T and 3.5TT which not only offer more power than the Germans, but now offer competitive fuel economy and emissions.

3. An interior that is finally on par w/ the Germans in terms of quality of materials, and better (imo) in terms of design (w/ the largest standard nav screen).

4. More standard features on the base model (including the drivers' aid systems); keep in mind that 40% of the cost of an auto these days is for tech/electronics, and probably even higher for a loaded higher-end luxury model.

Not only more drivers' aid tech and safety features (like the center airbag btwn the driver and front seat passenger), but think of all the cameras/sensors on the loaded G80, including the ones that read the road ahead (w/ the more powerful in-car computer analyzing the data).



It's not that Hyundai wasn't capable of funding it, heck they tried it a couple years ago. What stopped them was state franchising laws that resulted in their own dealerships trying to sue them for not giving all of them the right to sell Genesis. That's why we currently have the awkward "Genesis display tucked in some small corner of a Hyundai dealership" situation. I'd go as far as to claim that the whole mess torpedoed sales of the entire brand from 2018-2019, because prior to that the Hyundai Genesis/G80 was selling quite well, while the G90 did okay.

While Hyundai may have offered some financial aid, it was really the dealership/dealership groups getting financing from their banks to build out a new Genesis dealership.

Under the prior dealership plan, Genesis had lined up 100 or so dealerships that were willing to obtain the financing and build out stores to Genesis' specifications.

Under the revised plan, Genesis can't force dealerships to do anything (same issue Ford is having w/ Lincoln dealerships), but there were a certain % of franchisees that were willing to go ahead w/ a separate Genesis store (once Genesis had a fuller, more sustainable lineup w/ the addition of the GV80 and GV70).

But things may have changed w/ the pandemic. Dealer groups are under financial stress and banks aren't exactly willing to lend $$ to retail operations, esp. for pricey auto dealerships.

(Think many Genesis franchisees should go for a less costly dealership w/ a smaller footprint, but that's a discussion for another day.)


AoA did a price/feature comparison (note - he has a few typos).



One other thing, there will eventually be some aggressive discounts.

Pretty hefty discounts can be had on the E Class and 5er, so eventually (once the initial excitement wears off), Genesis will have to offer discounts to keep the pricing advantage.

Of more concern are the lease rates.

While it should improve some due to the better residual value and money factor, still going to be difficult to compete, much less beat MB and BMW, esp. as Genesis' CPO program is in its infant stages.
 
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A start-stop system.
Not quite.

The integrated starter-generator (ISG) replaces both the conventional starter and alternator (generator) of an automobile in a single electric device. It allows greater electrical generation capacity and the fuel economy and emissions benefits of hybrid electric automotive propulsion.
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"The Integrated Starter Generator (ISG) replaces the conventional starter, generator and flywheel of the engine and provides an auxiliary function as a convenient automatic vehicle start-stop system for further improved fuel efficiency"

 
^ Yeah...guess it is stop-start. Hmmm...didn't realize how complex it was. Also didn't realize that any car that has it has a dedicated small battery to operate it. Neat.

Wonder where the G70 2.0T has it (curious as I am a G70 3.3T owner).
 
KCB is reporting that the eG80 will have a 500 km (around 311 miles) range, and level 3 autonomous driving.


Not bad for something that's not on a dedicated BEV platform.

Wonder what the performance level will be like; suspect that it won't be as good as the performance-oriented Genesis models on the dedicated BEV platform which will be getting a similar BEV propulsion system as the Taycan.
 
 
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I’m happy to see the pricing is finally announced. They dropped the horsepower down to 375 from 380. I’m a little bummed they aren’t configuring US models with the Air Purification System.
 
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Yes, there seems to be some sticker-shock to us longtime Genesis-knowledgeable folks... but anyone properly comparing the 2021 G80 to an equivalently spec'ed Merc E-Class, BMW 5-Series or Audio A6 is going to be quite shocked how much they can save.

I think they've nailed the pricing for what you get in this vehicle (from what I've seen and read, so far).

Genesis pricing is going to keep creeping up as their brand becomes more accepted and acknowledged. As I would do if I ran the brand.
I doubt pricing will increase much over this (allowing for CPI) for a long time. This is a really good spot for Genesis in my opinion, fantastic cars that are great value...when compared to the best in the segment, not compared to their past models.

Right now the 3.5T AWD Standard is $7k than the cheapest German 540xi when comparably equipped, while having more interior space. That’s a fantastic value.
 
KCB is reporting that the eG80 will have a 500 km (around 311 miles) range, and level 3 autonomous driving.

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Not bad for something that's not on a dedicated BEV platform.

Wonder what the performance level will be like; suspect that it won't be as good as the performance-oriented Genesis models on the dedicated BEV platform which will be getting a similar BEV propulsion system as the Taycan.
Wow, this is big news. Ev and level 3! I wonder if they'll be the first to offer true level 3? Amazing progress from this brand!
 
The sticker on my Ultimate AWD 3.8 was $55550. Your Sport was 51?

I did expect a pretty good bump though. I'm sure they are trying to close the gap with the Germans a bit but they did toss in a few more goodies with it. I'd like to get a'21 but will wait for some discounting. I won't be first in line.


don't really remember what the sticker was. I paid $52,800 out the door, tax, license, fees, etc. (10% tax in L.A.) for a 2018 RWD Sport.

so my purchase price was right around $48K before all the fees, now I did buy toward the end of the 2018 year when the 2019s were around the corner, and then never really came because of the whole dealership debacle .. but still. $48k to $66k is a huge jump, even $55K to $66K is a huge jump for what? What exactly are we getting for that $12k-$14K jump? what is the advantage? The basic features and technology is the same, slightly bigger engine, massively larger grille, and a 1970s looking steering wheel.

Maybe the sport will be priced a bit less, maybe not.. If there is a sport.. seeing as the 3.5TT is in the Prestige my guess is the sport is DOA.

But if I am going to spend north of $65K on a vehicle I will go buy a vehicle with a proven dealership network and decent service.

While I personally haven't had an issue with the Hyundai dealership that services my 2018, I would not be able to use them for anything 2019 or newer and the closest official "Genesis" dealership to me is 31 miles in the opposite direction of where I travel for work, and has received some horrible reviews. I am not willing to travel that far out of my way for less than stellar service, if I want to be treated like cattle I will go by a Dodge or Chrysler, they are excellent at making their customer feel worthless after they rape you on the sale.

To be frank, in the current economy I my end up purchasing my 2018 at lease end, it all depends on how we bounce back from this socialist trial run.
 
don't really remember what the sticker was. I paid $52,800 out the door, tax, license, fees, etc. (10% tax in L.A.) for a 2018 RWD Sport.
You probably got yourself a decent deal, because a G80 RWD Sport MSRP is $55,750 before fees.

$66K is a huge jump for what? What exactly are we getting for that $12k-$14K jump? what is the advantage? The basic features and technology is the same, slightly bigger engine, massively larger grille, and a 1970s looking steering wheel.
The driver's aids and infotainment are way more advanced than the outgoing model, as is the more aluminum-heavy and lighter platform that will make the car handle better and increase fuel economy.
 
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The new G80 platform is not optimized for pure-EV purpose, there is little space under the floor area to place batteries. Let's see how they make room for the battery pack if they decided to build a pure EV G80.
 
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