EVsquatch
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- Genesis Model Year
- 2023
- Genesis Model Type
- Genesis GV60
still waiting...
Same.
still waiting...
When we all finally receive our adapter, I wonder how many of us will actually Supercharge. For myself I don’t drive that much so I have been charging at home. At the end of the day it’s still great to have the adapter, just in case it’s needed.
…it is just brand suicide….
I see it a little differently. I see this as a boiling over of frustration from an inept series of bad customer service experiences. There’s been many complaints of the Genesis Customer Care experience when dealing with a variety of issues, primarily centered around the fact that although they are nice and polite when you speak with them, they are ill equipped to deal with even the simplest of requests.Brand suicide would be delivering a sub-standard product, which Genesis emphatically has not done, IMHO.
People losing their minds over not receiving something they were never promised when they bought the car, and the lack of which rarely actually affects their daily use of the car is the very definition of missing the forest for the trees, again IMHO.
It’s sad that some let this tiny inconvenience have such an outsized effect on their ownership experience (based on the wailing and gnashing of teeth evidenced by this very thread)
OTOH, my guess is that these people would find something else to kvetch about if it wasn’t this…
About the BIG picture...I see it a little differently. I this this as a boiling over of frustration from an inept series of bad customer service experiences. There’s been many complaints of the Genesis Customer Care experience when dealing with a variety of issues, primarily centered around that fact that although they are nice and polite when you speak with them, they are ill equipped to deal with even the simplest of requests.
That, to me, is the crux of the issue and the big picture that we should keep in mind. The poor handling of the free adapter is just another straw on the camels back.
No question they make good EVs. I just hope the customer service experience doesn’t catch up with them in a bad way.About the BIG picture...
"Genesis is experiencing strong EV sales growth, particularly in the US, with a 19% increase in Q1 sales. Specifically, the Ioniq 5 saw a 26% increase in Q1 sales. While the EV market as a whole is experiencing a slight dip in sales volume, Genesis is bucking the trend with its focus on electrified models. .."
I agree that it’s more than just this one issue as to the roll out and final receipt of the adapter. It’s the customer service in general. Customer Care reps are very nice, however if they cannot resolve your issue they provide you with a ticket number and advise that the matter will be elevated to their “engineers” and they will contact you in 7-10 days. Those days past and they don’t follow up with customers. It’s like our issues go into a black hole never to be heard from again. Also when we all call Customer Care on the same issue, we get different responses from the reps. They lack consistently and without a universal response to the same issue, leads to customer frustration. I paid $70k for the car which is now probably only worth $35k. I never considered this a Luxury vehicle. However, regardless of how much the car costs, service after the sale has always been important to me. If I don’t think the service has been upfront and straight forward, this will weigh heavily on whether I purchase another product from a company. If someone tells you they will recontact you within a certain timeframe, then do so even if they don’t have a response we may want to hear. Sometimes it’s the little things a company can do to make a customer happy. Truthful follow-up is very important.I see it a little differently. I this this as a boiling over of frustration from an inept series of bad customer service experiences. There’s been many complaints of the Genesis Customer Care experience when dealing with a variety of issues, primarily centered around that fact that although they are nice and polite when you speak with them, they are ill equipped to deal with even the simplest of requests.
That, to me, is the crux of the issue and the big picture that we should keep in mind. The poor handling of the free adapter is just another straw on the camels back.
I guess you don't get it. Genesis is trying very hard, but not succeeding at becoming equivalent to Lexus. They have an appalling dealer network, essentially Hyundai dealers selling cheap cars but dressed up a little, but without the capability. So they resort to cheap marketing tricks like offering a free adapter to use the Tesla network. This would be a huge selling point for Genesis EVs, making them really capable long distance cars, but they screwed that promo up royally. So Genesis EV owners were promised not just a free adapter, but essentially a massive improvement in how they can use their EVs. So promising that feature and then failing to deliver it without any real explanation, is the real issue here. They have seriously devalued their brand from the expectation that they dangled in front of their customers, but failed to deliver. So yes, it's big deal, it's bad for the brand and it simply highlights Genesis's inability to rise to the status they crave.Brand suicide would be delivering a sub-standard product, which Genesis emphatically has not done, IMHO.
People losing their minds over not receiving something they were never promised when they bought the car, and the lack of which rarely actually affects their daily use of the car is the very definition of missing the forest for the trees, again IMHO.
It’s sad that some let this tiny inconvenience have such an outsized effect on their ownership experience (based on the wailing and gnashing of teeth evidenced by this very thread)
OTOH, my guess is that these people would find something else to kvetch about if it wasn’t this…
Says the person who “lemoned” their Genesis EV and yet still drives one…I guess you don't get it. Genesis is trying very hard, but not succeeding at becoming equivalent to Lexus. They have an appalling dealer network, essentially Hyundai dealers selling cheap cars but dressed up a little, but without the capability. So they resort to cheap marketing tricks like offering a free adapter to use the Tesla network. This would be a huge selling point for Genesis EVs, making them really capable long distance cars, but they screwed that promo up royally. So Genesis EV owners were promised not just a free adapter, but essentially a massive improvement in how they can use their EVs. So promising that feature and then failing to deliver it without any real explanation, is the real issue here. They have seriously devalued their brand from the expectation that they dangled in front of their customers, but failed to deliver. So yes, it's big deal, it's bad for the brand and it simply highlights Genesis's inability to rise to the status they crave.
I have an ice Lexus and had a BMW M2. Both their customer service departments were good but would not say great. All I want from any company is just “good” customer service.If you want great customer service but a crappy EV, buy a Lexus.
If you want perfect body panel alignment but antiquated EV tech, buy any German EV (with the possible the exception of the BMW iX)
If you want a generally mediocre EV, buy any EV from a legacy American mfr.
If you want an excellent EV but mediocre (at best) customer service, buy any H/K/G EV.
IMHO.
I don't think G80 sales means anything for the GV60. Sure, they only sold 77 this year in the US, but in all of 2024 they only sold 140 in the US, so about the same rate. Even the ICE version doesn't sell well - only 3,758 in the US last year (from Wikipedia). Total all time sales in the US is less than 2k. Even in Korea they've only sold about 6k total. It's a nearly ten year old platform. Tesla has a similar problem with the Model S, it's just too old. Also, the G80 EV was adapted from an ICE car, not built from the ground up as an EV. Who wants that in 2025? The GV60, on the other hand, was designed as an EV from the start, and it shows.I just read that this week, Genesis is facing some headwinds with it's EV sales. They just pulled the GV80 EV from the U.S.market. They said they were only able to sell 77 of the vehicles in the entire U.S. from January through June 2025.
All good points. And given that sedans in general have been on the decline e.g. if not becoming _less_ popular, or at least not growing like SUV/truck/Xover/etc, unless your sedan offering is compelling - or cheap - your audience is probably smaller. Before deciding on the GV60, I had the G70 sedan on my radar, but the lack of room in the back seat was a deal-killer. I drove the Polestar P2, but that felt claustrophobic even in the driver's seat, much too cockpit-like. I really like how EVs, sedan or other, can provide more interior/comfortable space, without driving a massive car.I don't think G80 sales means anything for the GV60. Sure, they only sold 77 this year in the US, but in all of 2024 they only sold 140 in the US, so about the same rate. Even the ICE version doesn't sell well - only 3,758 in the US last year (from Wikipedia). Total all time sales in the US is less than 2k. Even in Korea they've only sold about 6k total. It's a nearly ten year old platform. Tesla has a similar problem with the Model S, it's just too old. Also, the G80 EV was adapted from an ICE car, not built from the ground up as an EV. Who wants that in 2025? The GV60, on the other hand, was designed as an EV from the start, and it shows.
Great question and I've wondered about that. The Mach-E and ID.4 were both on my radar, but neither is any more compelling to me than before. I'm curious to learn about BMW's next-gen/Neue klasse - but man I just hate their grills on EVs. The iX, or i4? Ugh!! Part of what drove me to the GV60, much more attractive in the front. I had thought about the Lyriq (at the time), but I really dont' care for their grill either. Have not looked but maybe Blazer EV? I'm pretty curious about Xiaomi and their YU7... looks lovely, apparently a copy of the Ferrari Purosangue? Initial impressions seem positive, but how does this company put out a good car just like that?!? When they are more known for earbuds, appliances, and cell phones? Bizarre.For those of you saying you would consider switching to a different brand, what brand would you pick? I don't see any EV in the same price category that's of any interest to me at all. Maybe a Lucid Gravity, but that's close to double the price, and wouldn't fit in my garage. The Model Y has a lot going for it, but that's out. I like Rivian, but I don't want a truck, and I really want CarPlay. Which also rules out an GM EV. The Mach-E has terrible charging. None of the German cars do anything for me, and they are mostly way more expensive. Toyota? Be serious, though I guess the new bZ is an significant improvement in the EV space.
The long-discussed adapter - which I have but have not used - does not change how I feel about my day-to-day driving experiences. Providing free adapters was a nice goodwill gesture, even with a botched rollout. Would guess Genesis is not fully independent like Rivian/Ford, and likely the corporate Hyundai Motor Group had much greater sway in corporate decisions.I don't understand why manufacturers have so many problems getting out free adapters. I believe so far the only companies that have given free adapters are Ford, Rivian, Hyundai and Genesis. All four have had huge delays in getting out free adapters - up to nearly a year for Ford and Rivian. Looks like Hyundai/Genesis is going down that same path. Nothing for Hyundai/Genesis to brag about, but I don't understand why anyone would choose a car based on this, especially since no other manufacturer has done any better. Also customer service is terrible for almost any company you deal with these days, so the bar for customer service is really low. At least it sounds like everyone that wanted to was able to reach a human support person, even if that didn't do them any good. I can't even reach a human at my pharmacy any more.
New BMW IX3 seems very promising, I would be very interested in a smaller Lucid crossover, which I hope will be out soon. As to the price point, that became rather irrelevant nowadays, as to buying the EV is not a wise decision, imo... The lease is the way to go,- in most (all?) cases it is heavily supported by the manufactures. We're leasing the MB500 EQE for under $800 with only first payment out of pocket... It has a sticker of ~$101K...For those of you saying you would consider switching to a different brand, what brand would you pick? I don't see any EV in the same price category that's of any interest to me at all.