Genesis G70 Reviews

[Toddasaurus]

Looks like no G70N in the works.

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/08/hyundai-n-boss-says-no-genesis-g70-n/

"That wasn’t the only idea he [Biermann] shot down as the engineer seemed to rule out a Genesis G70 N. The company looked into the possibility of developing the model before Genesis became a standalone brand, but it appears that is now out of the question. That’s unfortunate as it would be interesting to see Genesis tackle the BMW M3. "

Saw this as well. Kinda bummed about it, but also I see it as a good thing - it means all the work I'll be putting into my G70 will make it unique, in terms of horsepower; as I won't have to worry about a hotter version coming out after I've put all my time and money into this thing.

 

[Electrode]

My review after a 24-hour test drive. .

How did you get a test drive in the US? I thought they weren't here yet, except for a few press cars.

 

[Beefer]

How did you get a test drive in the US? I thought they weren't here yet, except for a few press cars.

I was in Toronto visiting family.

 

[Electrode]

I was in Toronto visiting family.

Oh; nice. Good review!

 

[Stevendom1987]

My review after a 24-hour test drive. Please note I am not a pro driver nor a pro reviewer. Cars I have owned are M3, S4, M5, G37 Coupe, various others, etc.

I have already mentioned that I had an encounter with a new C43 AMG off a stop light and that I beat him out. Turned into a big fiasco. I also mentioned that I pulled over with the guy at a Home Depot afterwards and chit chatted. He tried...I tried...it was fair...I beat him. Throw magazines at me...I don't care...is what it is...I was there...you were not. I will also repeat that per manufacturer...the MB is 4.6 and the G70 is 4.5. Don't waste your time with trivial magazine clippings or quotes...b/c the G70 was a bogus test IMHO since it was using crap gas and and high heat, etc, etc.

Next...I used to own an E92 M3...dual-clutch. Rated at 4.4. The non-DC was rated at 4.7. My friend actually purchased the car from me. We met up...had multiple runs together in a few undisclosed areas in Burlington Neck and neck...every time. Again...spare me magazine details. He is a good driver...as am I. No stick shifting...so it is mash the pedal and go. Not rocket science.

With all that out of the way. This car is FAST. It is fast and it keeps being fast. I cannot even fathom it with a piggyback. But...this is not all about off the line speed.

This stuff is off the top of my head...my first impressions, etc. It has been several days now...so I might miss some stuff.

Pros...

- the exterior is stunning. No photos do it justice. Every crease...every line...walking around and inspecting the angles and curves. It is gorgeous man. I got nothing but looks...driving or sitting. Dropped my mom off so she could get some stuff...and I had 2 peeps literally tap on my glass and start talking with me. Loved it.
- the interior is stuffning. Ha. Seriously...so well crafted...everything is aligned. The stainless steel everywhere...the knobs...everything. Love the way the door handle is flat finish...then the surround is brushed...then the surround below that is brushed again. Someone said they screwed up or something...but it was intentional and a brilliant detail.
- the leather is of the best quality. Feels like a high end leather sofa. I kept touching it to remind myself how awesome it is. No other car I have sat in has had leather like this...S4/M3...not talking $100k+ cars here. Perhaps the same...who knows.
- comfort is fantastic...the front side of the cabin is just perfect. More on the back below. The center console has that slight angle to the driver...great feeling. Dials are simple, etc...all that has been reviewed. Screen is awesome. No glare...nice matte finish...very responsive, blah, blah.
- sound system rocks. I couldn't even get it to half volume...started to sound like a night club. Brilliant. I have a B&O system in my A4 now and it is just as good if not better.
- electronics...it has it all...holy crap. Played a bit with lane departure, etc...works...fun. All is easy to get to, etc, etc. One thing that was not mentioned is that it has a system that learns how you drive. If it starts to sense that lane departure is kicking in more...or other "odd" stuff is happening that is not normal to you...it assumes you are drunk or passing out...or both. LOL. So it brings up a coffee icon...essentially to tell you that you need a break, etc. BUT...it ALSO pumps oxygen into the cabin to help wake you up !!! C'mon now...who else does that?!?!?!
- trunk is good size. Smaller than my A4...but not by much. Golf clubs fit...4 carry-ons fit, blah, blah.
- if you walk up to the trunk with your key in your pocket, etc...and stand there for a few seconds...rear lights blip and then the trunk opens automatically. It assumes you are standing there and need trunk access. Very slick. No it doesn't close automatically with a button. Lift some weights...get back some of that muscle (if you ever had any) and just close it with one quick pull with your hand. Sheesh.
- love the alcantara head liner. I had that in my S4 (including the seats) so I am very used to it. Great thing is...cleans up great.
- it drives amazing...just like everyone else says. Love they way you can switch the drive modes, etc. I kept it in Sport the whole time essentially...other than to show my wife and my mom how it can ride more gentle
- wife loved it...mom loved it...daughter demands I buy it.
- feel free to ask me specific questions if I missed anything

Cons...

- back seats are comfy...leg room SUCKS. Did not think it would be this bad. I have one child that would ever sit behind the passenger...so not worried about it. But...I am 6'1" and with the driver seat where I like it...I could not get in the back. Literally...I could not get in. Once I wedged in...my legs were spread eagle. I can sit comfortably behind myself in my A4. I moved the driver seat up to where I was still comfortable...but not preferable...and I was able to get in. I was comfortable...but feet would not fit under the seat. Even barefoot. Yeah I could lift the driver seat, etc, etc. They really f'd up on the back seat room leg-wise. All they needed is 2-3 more inches somehow, etc.
- So used to the center console operation hub like in the BMW's and Audi's. Love being able to do stuff without looking. But I can get used to it since everything is so nicely laid out and the screen is nice and responsive.
- outside entry. Hate I have to touch the button to unlock. Should just touch the handle. Pressing to lock is ok.
- the darkened chrome is very slick looking. But...since the handles have that as well...they get fingerprints crazy fast. Annoying. But...looks good !!!
- dumb-ass music when the car shuts off, etc. What tard thought of that one?!?!?! Wish it could be silenced. My wife's comment..."now that is pretty gay". Nuff said.
- wish the headrests were adjustable other than up and down.
- wish there was some modern ambient LED lighting...anything...even a tiny bit. No biggie though.
- wish people would stop looking at me. Nah...just kidding...felt f'ing fantastic !!
- feel free to ask me specific questions if I missed anything

That's all for now. If I think of anything else I will simply reply to myself, etc.

Hope this was helpful for someone...anyone.

I will end with this. There is NOT ONE SINGLE car that can touch this thing for the price point. Nothing. It performs...feels like a million bucks...they killed it with this one.

I will 100% hold out for it. Unless...it goes really wrong and is released in 2019 or something. I simply cannot wait that long.

Cheers...B.

No chance you drove the 2.0 as well right? Doubt it but had to ask just in case.

 

[Beefer]

No chance you drove the 2.0 as well right? Doubt it but had to ask just in case.

No I did not. But I saw a white one (auto).

 

[EdP]

Genesis needs to get this thing out now that word is starting to become more publicly known or risk getting bad attention about the dealership issues.

I imagine they are pedaling as fast as they can. Publicity is great, but may have been a little soon for full impact. OTOH, the print media does need some time to get to the newsstand while the electronic is posted in minutes.

 

[Slides]

No I did not. But I saw a white one (auto).

Did you notice any throttle lag in the regular drive modes?

 

[Beefer]

Did you notice any throttle lag in the regular drive modes?

I did not mash it in Comfort...took it easy. In Sport there was a blip of turbo lag...but hardly noticeable.

 

[tymless]

C/D has their instrumented test review posted.

2019 Genesis G70: Finally A Worthy Competitor to the BMW 3-Series

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[Beefer]

C/D has their instrumented test review posted.

2019 Genesis G70: Finally A Worthy Competitor to the BMW 3-Series

See...they even admit that the special edition is off. Tack on crap gas and elevation...this thing is faster than they reveal...the normal version anyway. I bet other tests will reveal that.

I stick to my claims!!!

 

[SVTong]

As someone who has owned the car now for a couple of months, I no longer care about instrumented tests. I KNOW that my car is fast. I've dusted C43's, 340's, and S4's repeatedly. I've also beaten modified STi's, Evo's and Focus RS's. The torque surge from down low is insane on this car. I can also confidently say that it's faster than my old heavily modified and tuned Skyline GT-R. It puts down the power very effectively and takes off without the slightest hint of wheelspin. So for anyone freaking out that the car is 0.1s slower in an instrumented test, don't worry about it. On the street, this car will eat most other cars for breakfast.

 

[Beefer]

As someone who has owned the car now for a couple of months, I no longer care about instrumented tests. I KNOW that my car is fast. I've dusted C43's, 340's, and S4's repeatedly. I've also beaten modified STi's, Evo's and Focus RS's. The torque surge from down low is insane on this car. I can also confidently say that it's faster than my old heavily modified and tuned Skyline GT-R. It puts down the power very effectively and takes off without the slightest hint of wheelspin. So for anyone freaking out that the car is 0.1s slower in an instrumented test, don't worry about it. On the street, this car will eat most other cars for breakfast.

Finally...you came to back me up !!! I had all these doubters, blah, blah.

And as a reminder...here is proof that the G70 3.3T is faster (every time) than the Stinger GT. Forgot about this video...

So...again...C&D had an problem car. Or...their special edition is purposely dumbed down. Whatever.

Thanks SVTong

 

[devellis]

I'm truly happy for all the folks who've felt the excitement of driving the G70 and who've found the acceleration exhilarating. I value reports of those subjective experiences. They give an indication of how the car feels, which isn't necessarily the same as how fast it actually is but can be every bit as important.

But I'm a data guy. And subjective impressions just don't have the same credibility for me. That's not to deny your impressions but merely to suggest that they don't carry the force of actual data, at least as far as I'm concerned. Assertions to the contrary are fine as long as folks recognize them for what they are, namely, subjective impressions based on experiences garnered in uncontrolled and non-standardized settings. That may suffice for many folks here and I have no quarrel with any people who find that sort of information sufficient. But I'll place my faith in more credible data.

 

[Beefer]

I'm truly happy for all the folks who've felt the excitement of driving the G70 and who've found the acceleration exhilarating. I value reports of those subjective experiences. They give an indication of how the car feels, which isn't necessarily the same as how fast it actually is but can be every bit as important.

But I'm a data guy. And subjective impressions just don't have the same credibility for me. That's not to deny your impressions but merely to suggest that they don't carry the force of actual data, at least as far as I'm concerned. Assertions to the contrary are fine as long as folks recognize them for what they are, namely, subjective impressions based on experiences garnered in uncontrolled and non-standardized settings. That may suffice for many folks here and I have no quarrel with any people who find that sort of information sufficient. But I'll place my faith in more credible data.

OMG. Dude...you want facts?

C&D got 4.4 seconds out of the Stinger GT. There is your data. Good? Ok. Next. Watch the above video. The G70 beats it every time...3 runs. I call that fact. You can see it.

Conclusion based on FACTS. The G70 is faster than the Stinger GT THEREFORE faster than 4.4 seconds.

Let's move on.

 

[EdP]

But I'm a data guy. And subjective impressions just don't have the same credibility for me. That's not to deny your impressions but merely to suggest that they don't carry the force of actual data, at least as far as I'm concerned. Assertions to the contrary are fine as long as folks recognize them for what they are, namely, subjective impressions based on experiences garnered in uncontrolled and non-standardized settings.

While I agree with you, I wonder how standardized the testing is. So many potential variables with fuel, temperature, track surface, altitude, load in the car, driver ability. When you get down to tenths of a second the variables can change it run to run.

The conclusion is that it is a damned fast car. Unless you take it to the track or otherwise compete head to head, the numbers won't change your life. That said, there will never be 100% agreement either so have at it.

 

[devellis]

Beefer said:

OMG. Dude...you want facts?

C&D got 4.4 seconds out of the Stinger GT. There is your data. Good? Ok. Next. Watch the above video. The G70 beats it every time...3 runs. I call that fact. You can see it.

Conclusion based on FACTS. The G70 is faster than the Stinger GT THEREFORE faster than 4.4 seconds.





Well, clearly our standards for what is credible evidence differ.

There are some implicit assumptions here. Arguments, of course, can be no stronger than the assumptions on which they rest.

1. A video dated 2017 and shot presumably in Korea has cars with identical specs to the US cars. Perhaps, but unproven.
2. The drivers of the cars were comparably skilled. Again, perhaps but not proven and seemingly doubtful.
3. A non-instrumented, hand-wave-start test is more credible than instrumented tests from other sources, like C&D. False.
4. The fact that the car driven by the guy making the video always wins, is in no way suspicious. Doesn't work for me. Unproven.
5. C&D is more credible when reporting Stinger times you like then when reporting G70 times you don't like. Odd, that.
6. Atmospheric conditions are sufficient to account for a drop of 0.2 seconds to 60 mph for the G70. Plausible but not yet tested empirically. Still, this might be the assumption with the strongest standing, though still short of proof.
7. When results diverge, the result yielding the lower performance figures for the G70 is necessarily the outlier while the result showing the better numbers isn't. Unjustified.
8. Results from guys out on the road racing off of street lights are compelling evidence of how cars will perform under controlled conditions. False.

None of these assumptions has been proven to my satisfaction.

Look, you can believe whatever you like. Knock yourself out. It may turn out that the G70 will get 0-60 times at or below 4.4 sec. in every controlled test done from here on in. If that happens, I'll acknowledge that the results have attained a level of consistency that's credible. I will say that, despite scanty evidence, you turned out to be right all along while I was wrong. I would be very happy for that to turn out to be what happens. I'd love for the G70 to be faster than its competition. But as someone who has spent a career working with empirical data, there are certain standards that I expect to be met before I'm persuaded by what are claimed to be credible empirical facts. And those standards haven't been met. Not yet. Not everyone needs to agree with me. I don't expect them to. I'm none the better or worse whether they agree with me or not. Doesn't matter to me.

Just don't expect me to accept flawed data as evidence for claims it doesn't confirm.

 

[Toddasaurus]

While I agree with you, I wonder how standardized the testing is. So many potential variables with fuel, temperature, track surface, altitude, load in the car, driver ability. When you get down to tenths of a second the variables can change it run to run.

That is the thing, US 0-60 times from publishers mentioned above do not use the same methods. That is, there is no standardisation.

Let's use Car and Driver as an example, as they are worst offender of them all. C&D uses a 1' rollout for their 0-60 times, in addition to adjusting for temp and altitude. Their numbers are not the actual numbers they get on their tests, they are adjusted, and how they formulate this exactly nobody knows but themselves. Other publishers, like MT, Edmunds, and R&T have their own stupid quirks that muck up the results as well.

Considering this, unfortunately 0-60 times *are subjective* - with the (relatively) most reliable/objective information coming straight from the manufacturer.

Even so, despite all of this, C&D state themselves that they will re-test the G70 once they are available for sale, so the 4.7 second time isn't set in stone just yet from them.

 

[JayceM]

I think the only way it's going to be standardized is if you go and do it yourself with all of these different vehicles, and you're not likely to be able to do that. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, of course. I personally am convinced that there's something probably off with the C&D numbers and it seemed like they alluded to such.

 

[Friday]

devillis, I think pretty much everyone will agree that having the empirical evidence is at the top for importance on making an assessment, but it's not necessarily always the most important.

Coming from an Audi S3, a car that Motor Trend has gotten a 0-60 time of 4.4 seconds, I think it would probably compare well for acceleration to the G70.

I had my Audi S3 for 3 years and I actually never "launched controlled it" once. I would assume that most testing by the magazines is done with launch control. The Audi with it's dual-clutch transmission, and an aggressive dumping of the clutch in it's program, I would think it will have a big advantage in instrumented 0-60 times.

As for the G70, with a conventional automatic, you would think it's launch is at a big disadvantage. But the thing is in the real world, I would never have time to put a car into launch mode if I wanted to get off of the lights fast. I don't street race and don't advocate it, but these are real world situations. So even though the S3 might sometimes have a better instrumented time, the G70 is subjectively to me quicker and it might actually be quicker.

Another situation that bothered me about my Audi S3 is the complete random throttle lag. I happens when in normal drive and even when you pull back the gear lever to put the transmission and engine in sport mode, the random lag still happened. It wasn't turbo lag and it seemed like to take like forever for the car to respond, maybe even a few seconds. This fact severely affects your confidence when you need to do something quick. So far, the G70 just doesn't have this lag and responds like it's supposed to. These are real world situations.

The throttle lag is something I have also heard being present in the older supercharged V6 S4s as well. I used to think that it might be inherent in a dual clutch, as the gears might be aligned for the next gear up and then it suddenly has to totally rework to downshift, but the updated S4 with the ZF based transmission has also been pointed out to have a weird throttle lag in reviews as well.