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Genesis G70 Reviews

We do not disagree; in fact, you listed an advantage (power) and its trade-off (fuel mileage) in your example with the JB4. I have nothing against the JB4; for those who have it, knock yourselves out. I have to admit it is tempting. But the trade-offs are fuel-efficiency as you mention, and if they really wanted to they could discover your usage and void the warranty if something were to break. It seems pretty low-risk, but it's not zero risk. There are also things like parts lifetime and longevity of other components that they were thinking of. Maybe it's a part that's been certified for a certain duty cycle for so many miles, like a fuel pump. Or transmission.
BS regarding the JB4. Please do your research before making false claims. Sheesh...we have enough of that crap going around these days.

Once removed...the dealer can never tell you had a JB4. Your warranty will NEVER get voided.
 
BS regarding the JB4. Please do your research before making false claims. Sheesh...we have enough of that crap going around these days.

Once removed...the dealer can never tell you had a JB4. Your warranty will NEVER get voided.
Agree if you take it out, but what if you did not for normal service. Would the lot jockey notice anything bringing it in for tire rotation? Nothing is visible is there?
 
Agree if you take it out, but what if you did not for normal service. Would the lot jockey notice anything bringing it in for tire rotation? Nothing is visible is there?
Why would you not? Takes 2 minutes. Worth the risk?
 
BS regarding the JB4. Please do your research before making false claims. Sheesh...we have enough of that crap going around these days.

Once removed...the dealer can never tell you had a JB4. Your warranty will NEVER get voided.
Oh yeah? How do you think your computer generates that nice little torque graph io the DIS? Where do you think that data comes from? And believe me, I just got my brand-new G70. I'm obsessed with this forum the last couple of weeks; I've read every single post on the JB4.
 
Why would you not? Takes 2 minutes. Worth the risk?
Same reason people leave their phone in the car, or pocketbook, or anything else. People forget. What if you had a power steering problem away from home and car was towed to the dealer? Meantime, you sidestepped the question, can it be noticed?
 
Same reason people leave their phone in the car, or pocketbook, or anything else. People forget. What if you had a power steering problem away from home and car was towed to the dealer? Meantime, you sidestepped the question, can it be noticed?
Huh? Again...I think one would remember they have a JB4 in their car...2 minutes to take it out.

Would leaving a phone in your car potentially mess up your warranty?!? I think not.

No it can’t be noticed if you take it out. Yes it is visible if you leave it in.
 
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Oh yeah? How do you think your computer generates that nice little torque graph io the DIS? Where do you think that data comes from? And believe me, I just got my brand-new G70. I'm obsessed with this forum the last couple of weeks; I've read every single post on the JB4.
Real time data from the OBDII? What’s your point? Stop making crap up.
 
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No it can’t be noticed if you take it out. Yes it is visible if you leave it in.
Thank you, that is all I wanted to know.
 
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Real time data from the OBDII? What’s your point? Stop making crap up.
So you don't think they couldn't store that data in EPROM somewhere? Or send it home as part one of those convenient monthly reports the car sends home? As a developer, that's exactly what I would do if I wanted to enforce something like that; that would be the easiest approach. But there are many, and I can keep listing them if you'd like.

I'm simply supporting my original claim that if they really wanted to enforce it, they could, whereas you claimed it was impossible.
 
Maybe they could find circumstancial evidence if they really tried hard but nothing direct assuming it was removed.. I think it's low risk. JB4 is well done and safe, at least on pump gas levels of power.
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I have a 2.0T and I got a 3.3TT loaner, so I wanted to compare the two and I couldn't find the comparison thread.

So I think the 3.3TT is objectively the better engine. Reviewers say the 2.0T engine is adequate and the 3.3TT is a gem, but more than that, the 3.3TT rounds out the entire car and brings out its potential. The handling under speed, the transmission logic, the speed, the responsiveness, and the car's ability to handle it all come together.

The biggest difference is how much more responsive the bigger engine is from a stop. It pretty much feels naturally aspirated. With the 2.0T, there is turbo lag that holds the car back from moving faster than creeping speeds for almost a second. This is particularly bothersome in turns from a stop, since it makes the acceleration thrust hit right in the middle of the turn instead of getting it out of the way early on. So you get all the G forces at once abruptly. In turns you slow down and then accelerate into, the bigger engine can handle the speed at any RPM, but the smaller engine downshifts in the middle of the turn, briefly cutting power, unless you always do manual shifting before the turn.

Yeah, it's aggressively fast. It feels less smooth to me actually because of how aggressive the bigger engine is even in comfort mode, but I may just not be used to regulating the throttle. A weird downside for me is that it's so fast off the line that it lifts the front upwards, which I don't like. But then just go slower lol.

Some people have mentioned the engine weight difference, and I think it's so minimal that you can't notice it unless you drive them hard and back to back. The bigger engine has a bit less willingness to turn, but I only notice it in roundabouts. It's not worth consideration.

Difference in suspension is also not a big deal. The bigger engine stiffer suspension is a bit firmer in that bumps you already feel in the 2.0T are more noticeable, but they're not so different that it changes your impression of the bump from like noticeable to harsh and annoying. I'd say the suspensions are in the same tier of firmness.

Brakes I can't tell a difference at all in performance or feel, but I like gradually braking and I don't brake hard or aggressively much. Maybe the Brembos would be better in an emergency situation. But otherwise probably not worth the downside of the deposits on the brake rotors.

So overall, the 3.3TT makes the G70 a better car. But now the downsides outside of that. Gas mileage is abysmal. I can't get my 2.0T to get below 20 mpg in reasonable driving (no idling) even if I drive all surface streets, stay in sport mode, or even use sport mode on the highway. But for the 3.3TT, I'm getting like 16 mpg on surface streets. I can physically see the difference in the gas meter over several minutes lmao. With the small tank, I could imagine this being very annoying. In my case, a 3.3TT would've been $6000-7000 more expensive than my 2.0T, or about 15 precent more expensive. In my case, those downsides probably aren't worth it... Or at least I'm convincing myself of that lol.
 
Great and honest review! Really well articulated. Yes, the gas mileage is terrible. ha ha..

When I get service, I always get a 2.0T and I have no issues with that engine at all. The first time I got one, I was expecting it to be much less responsive but it surprised me. If your not looking for big acceleration, the 2.0T is a great choice.
 
MT must have gotten a lemon. How is it possible one with the wiper arms reversed passed QC, unless this was caused by the dealer? This being noticed after their transmission swap. Quite embarrassing.

 
There was a member on the forum who's car had one of their 4 door panels a completely different color. You gotta wonder what was going on when that passed QC - LOL.

Good news is that once the car is built properly, it's very reliable!
 
There was a member on the forum who's car had one of their 4 door panels a completely different color. You gotta wonder what was going on when that passed QC - LOL.

Good news is that once the car is built properly, it's very reliable!

LOL I remember that one. He made a post and was like "is this normal?"
 
I had the 3.3TT as a loaner for a bit and the 2 things I didn’t like over my 2.0T was the slight understeer in fast sweeping corners, abysmal fuel mileage.

But I did like the NA like feel on lower speeds. Although I do love the spooling up feel and sudden surge of power on the 2.0T. Makes it feel more like an EVO, STI, and etc.
 
I had the 3.3TT as a loaner for a bit and the 2 things I didn’t like over my 2.0T was the slight understeer in fast sweeping corners, abysmal fuel mileage.

But I did like the NA like feel on lower speeds. Although I do love the spooling up feel and sudden surge of power on the 2.0T. Makes it feel more like an EVO, STI, and etc.

Do you know which version of the 3.3T? Mine has the all season square setup and standard suspension. It doesn't understeer.
 
Do you know which version of the 3.3T? Mine has the all season square setup and standard suspension. It doesn't understeer.
The Canadian Dynamic. Square setup.
Only at high speed. Oversteers easy with throttle and low speed corners!
 
The Canadian Dynamic. Square setup.
Only at high speed. Oversteers easy with throttle and low speed corners!

Ok, same as me.
 
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