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Genesis GV70 Reviews

Thanks for that. Another good review. I find it interesting that they said the 21' wheels sacrifice 2 mpg's a gallon. I didn't think it would be that much. I think that is the biggest knock I have so far after 2000 miles. Fuel economy on the 3.5. Yes my foot is a bit heavy but I'm only averaging 16 MPG's and I'm not ever in heavy traffic. Some of that is the penalty paid when it's over 100 degrees everyday her in Arizona but still.... That M340i somehow manages to do much better at the pump. Normally I wouldn't care but we know how prices seem to be going nowhere but up and I'm going to do some longer road trips soon so I hope as the engine breaks in more I'm going to see at least 25 mpg on the highway at speed.
Me to, as far as mpg. Diameter is nearly identical between all wheel sizes. Then I found this actual test from Car & Driver (a bit dated, but theory still is valid). Seems to fit their test results.

 
Me to, as far as mpg. Diameter is nearly identical between all wheel sizes. Then I found this actual test from Car & Driver (a bit dated, but theory still is valid). Seems to fit their test results.

So now my question is how much heavier are my 21' waffle wheels as opposed to the 19's that come on the Advanced model? Maybe one day Genesis will offer different wheel packages for all trims like BMW does.
 
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Interesting how the ride and to a lesser extent handling continue to divide opinion. Maybe partly a result of impressions formed an different modes? Also very dependent on how the different drivers get there kicks.
 
So now my question is how much heavier are my 21' waffle wheels as opposed to the 19's that come on the Advanced model? Maybe one day Genesis will offer different wheel packages for all trims like BMW does.
It’s likely largely down to the rolling resistances of the tires Genesis selected stock (and aero of the particular wheels) more than weight, though that does play a part in stop and go. The numbers submitted to the EPA come from a tightly controlled test/ formula, so I have no doubt the differences are real. What tires are fitted stock? You can find measures of rolling resistance; fitting a summer tire (if you’re not going to be in the snow) could be a thought.
 
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Interesting how the ride and to a lesser extent handling continue to divide opinion. Maybe partly a result of impressions formed an different modes? Also very dependent on how the different drivers get there kicks.
I find this review very biased. He must be a BMW fanboy. His criticism of the handling is highly suspect. I've pushed mine through some very tight twisties at 8/10ths in Sport + mode and if anything I was shocked at how good it is. Especially with the E-diff out back. Yes it's a bit top heavy and will never be a 3 series sedan but given what it is... it's excellent. At least he complimented how quiet it is at speed.
 
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I find this review very biased. He must be a BMW fanboy. His criticism of the handling is highly suspect. I've pushed mine through some very tight twisties at 8/10ths in Sport + mode and if anything I was shocked at how good it is. Especially with the E-diff out back. Yes it's a bit top heavy and will never be a 3 series sedan but given what it is... it's excellent. At least he complimented how quiet it is at speed.
"along the twisties, the GV70 left us cold no matter which mode we chose. Its mild-mannered handling character provides adequate control of roll, squat, and dive but little actual verve in corners... if you want assertive handling or an impressive level of lateral grip, it's hard to recommend this 4,453-pound crossover. That combo of weight and a comfort-oriented suspension are anathema to fun driving.... While competent, the GV70's light, numb steering and lack of feedback through the chassis are in contrast to Germany's performance-focused models."

Fun... such an inherently biased concept. If you measure the heartrate and expressions of a race driver on the limit their vital signs actually read closer to fear than any other emotion; they'll tell you they had a blast.

What's "fun" depends on the road, the conditions, how you drive and what type of driver you are. I particularly enjoy vintage cars on the road: an old 356 Porsche with a diabolical swing axle can be a blast simply trying to keep up with a modern Toyota Camry on a twisty road. Meanwhile a 918 supercar can feel completely pointless on the same road, limits far too high to even approach. Get the 918 on a track however, where you can use all that drip and power, and it's pure adrenaline.

With this in mind you learn to avoid driving one car as you would another and expecting it to be "fun". Drive a BWM M car with traction control off as you would a Porsche and you're going to crash. Try enjoying big, sideways drifts that are so accessible in a proper M car in a Porsche and you'll be sorely disappointed. Yet both cars are huge fun.

My read is that this guy is looking for a particular type of fun and not finding it, and his version of "fun" is all about quick response and high grip limits. And I agree the GV70 is somewhat short on grip compared to some rivals and the initial turn-in does seem soft if you're used to quicker steering and stiffer shocks/ swaybars. If those are your "fun" cues then the GV70 will come up a bit short. But I think it says a lot about the type of driver he is that he's just talking about grip and response and not about what comes after you push past that. This is why I listen to specific writers- there are guys I know and trust, and then there a lot of other guys. A lot of those guys (including this one) are not from automotive backgrounds and have somewhat limited experience...

The GV70 reminds me in some ways of a Surbaru WRX, another car that didn't have the sharpest turn-in or the highest grip but was an absolute blast when you learned how to dance with it. Based on what he wrote I have a strong suspicion this guy wouldn't think that car was "fun" on an initial review either...
 
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This is why you test drive the car and see if it checks your boxes, and not pay special attention to professional reviewers. A lot of times, we give thumbs up to the reviews that are in line with what we experience while driving the car, and deride those that are not in line with what we believe.
 
Little off topic...but I remember when the G70 came out...I was waiting for months as others. I was one of the first to get one.
I got to test drive one in Toronto for 24 hours before it was even in the USA. I was in love...and on an all out mission to get one after that. I didn't give a flying F what reviewers said...LOL
 
It’s likely largely down to the rolling resistances of the tires Genesis selected stock (and aero of the particular wheels) more than weight, though that does play a part in stop and go. The numbers submitted to the EPA come from a tightly controlled test/ formula, so I have no doubt the differences are real. What tires are fitted stock? You can find measures of rolling resistance; fitting a summer tire (if you’re not going to be in the snow) could be a thought.
Also, given the larger diameter means weight is farther from the axis, which takes more energy to spin
 
I find this review very biased. He must be a BMW fanboy. His criticism of the handling is highly suspect. I've pushed mine through some very tight twisties at 8/10ths in Sport + mode and if anything I was shocked at how good it is. Especially with the E-diff out back. Yes it's a bit top heavy and will never be a 3 series sedan but given what it is... it's excellent. At least he complimented how quiet it is at speed.
Continuing through the process of making a decision and had a chance to drive both the X3 M40i and GV70 3.5 SP again in the last couple days.

The Genesis still stood out to me as looking/feeling more special inside and out. Maybe it's just that it's so different from what I'm used to, but I really do think they did a great job. If it was a beauty contest, it would be an easy decision.

However, this time driving them back to back, the superior driving dynamics of the X3 seemed more pronounced than I recalled initially. Ultimately, it will be my wife's decision since it will be her DD, but I'm leaning X3 at this point.

Honestly, I'm a bit disappointed by this turn of events because I do think the GV70 has a ton going for it. And I wanted to lean that way.... But to me, driving dynamics are important enough to overlook the BMW's superficial weaknesses.

As far as driving dynamics go, I guess I actually agree with the reviewer from Motor1 in many respects. The back to back test drives helped make it clear for me.
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If it's the wife's car just get her the regular X3. The M340i is for boys ;)
 
^ kinda funny you said that.

Wifey was looking at the Q5. I tried my best for the SQ5…none such luck :(
 
^ kinda funny you said that.

Wifey was looking at the Q5. I tried my best for the SQ5…none such luck :(
I guess I'm lucky then. She thinks X3Ms and GLC63s are for boys... But is totally cool with X3 M40i's, SQ5s, GLC43s, etc. Plus, you know... I drive it too.
 
As more reviews come out, I think we will continue to see a divide on the handling and ride of the GV70. I think in this case more experience reviewers maybe able to quantify things better. In my opinion, the vehicle has a ton of rigidity but is dampened on the soft side. I think the smoothness,body roll and vehicle height gives some the impression that the handling is not up to par. However, this vehicle is more of a point and shoot handler. Turn in is excellent and once you grab a line the vehicle has the grip to hold it well and the torque curve pulls the vehicle through. The ride is firm but also compliant and comfortable so I think Genesis was shooting for balance. The vehicle dynamically can do a lot but the soft dampers make it feel not as sharp. I think a very slight drop and summer tires would do wonders for the feel of the vehicle. It is fairly neutral but the steering doesn't provide a ton of feedback, but then again it is a SUV. Overall, I have been impressed and this is coming from an M3 and S2000 owner of the past.
 
Continuing through the process of making a decision and had a chance to drive both the X3 M40i and GV70 3.5 SP again in the last couple days.

The Genesis still stood out to me as looking/feeling more special inside and out. Maybe it's just that it's so different from what I'm used to, but I really do think they did a great job. If it was a beauty contest, it would be an easy decision.

However, this time driving them back to back, the superior driving dynamics of the X3 seemed more pronounced than I recalled initially. Ultimately, it will be my wife's decision since it will be her DD, but I'm leaning X3 at this point.

Honestly, I'm a bit disappointed by this turn of events because I do think the GV70 has a ton going for it. And I wanted to lean that way.... But to me, driving dynamics are important enough to overlook the BMW's superficial weaknesses.

As far as driving dynamics go, I guess I actually agree with the reviewer from Motor1 in many respects. The back to back test drives helped make it clear for me.
BMW makes a great vehicle. If driving dynamics are the main thing I think it is at the top of the class maybe minus the Macan.
 
Continuing through the process of making a decision and had a chance to drive both the X3 M40i and GV70 3.5 SP again in the last couple days.

The Genesis still stood out to me as looking/feeling more special inside and out. Maybe it's just that it's so different from what I'm used to, but I really do think they did a great job. If it was a beauty contest, it would be an easy decision.

However, this time driving them back to back, the superior driving dynamics of the X3 seemed more pronounced than I recalled initially. Ultimately, it will be my wife's decision since it will be her DD, but I'm leaning X3 at this point.

Honestly, I'm a bit disappointed by this turn of events because I do think the GV70 has a ton going for it. And I wanted to lean that way.... But to me, driving dynamics are important enough to overlook the BMW's superficial weaknesses.

As far as driving dynamics go, I guess I actually agree with the reviewer from Motor1 in many respects. The back to back test drives helped make it clear for me.

I guess I'm lucky then. She thinks X3Ms and GLC63s are for boys... But is totally cool with X3 M40i's, SQ5s, GLC43s, etc. Plus, you know... I drive it too.
You guys are spoiling these ladies. Mine got a CX-9.
 
I didn't find the motor1 review biased at all, way more informative than the crappy edmunds video review. I had the same thoughts as others here about how the GV70 is not as sporty as how it's marketed/presented to be, and in reality puts more emphasis on luxury over sport which is perfectly fine and possibly the better play in this market. Let's face it - They are gunning for lexus/acura rather than the germans, given how well those Japanese brands do with their boring suvs. After my test drive of the 3.5T, I could immediately notice it was not really as focused as a X3 M40i in terms of sporty driving, but the exterior/interior/tech was miles ahead.
 
The GV70 reminds me the most of the Range Rover Velar. Both looks sharp as hell, are slightly more spacious than the competition, and place more emphasis on comfort over pure sporty driving even though they both hold themselves up pretty decently in that regard.

The Velar is the only compact crossover that I think gives the GV70 a run for its money in its interior and exterior design. Except the GV70 does it at 2/3 of the price and with far better build quality.

Still, the Velar is eye candy. I suspect a GV70 vs any German will mirror this review, sans price.

 
I didn't find the motor1 review biased at all, way more informative than the crappy edmunds video review. I had the same thoughts as others here about how the GV70 is not as sporty as how it's marketed/presented to be, and in reality puts more emphasis on luxury over sport which is perfectly fine and possibly the better play in this market. Let's face it - They are gunning for lexus/acura rather than the germans, given how well those Japanese brands do with their boring suvs. After my test drive of the 3.5T, I could immediately notice it was not really as focused as a X3 M40i in terms of sporty driving, but the exterior/interior/tech was miles ahead.
I initially thought this as well. But almost all reviews compare them to German SUVs instead of lexus, acura, or infiniti. So it might be that they are not competing against the Japanese rivals.
 
I initially thought this as well. But almost all reviews compare them to German SUVs instead of lexus, acura, or infiniti. So it might be that they are not competing against the Japanese rivals.
Or maybe they are comparing the GV70 to their favorite war horses?

I’d like to see some comparisons to the RX, NX, RDX and QX50/55. Driving dynamics are a notch below the Germans. How about the Japanese?
 
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