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[SuperKing]

It does have WiFi capability... I enabled to my home network, thinking that it would allow me to D/L the available Hyundai apps - turns out there's only one available. Looked to be some sort of Geofencing thing. It appears to be pretty useless.

It does have a 3G modem onboard, I assume that's how it receives Remote Start commands & etc.

My car never had Bluelink or apps. I don't think it was available in Canada at the time. There's no option anywhere for me to connect to wifi?

 

[joegr]

...It does have a 3G modem onboard, I assume that's how it receives Remote Start commands & etc.

So, you do have cellular data then, why did you say it didn't?

 

[skipgen]

My car never had Bluelink or apps. I don't think it was available in Canada at the time. There's no option anywhere for me to connect to wifi?

You have Jo

I could be wrong, but I thought it has been made clear that that's not ever going to happen.

Yeah... Still not happening.

 

[SuperKing]

XM is one way (into your car, not out). It will be cellular, for those that have it. Those that don't, will be internal routing only, I assume.

Are you sure it's one way? I always figured for things like traffic data, you'd have to send data packets back to the servers to tell it where you are and only download the data for the area. Same with even the radio stations. Because it's digital, you're not tuning into a specific frequency, you're telling the server to send you that specific station.... unless they're sending all the stations and traffic information in one stream for your system to extract but that's a huge amount of data. Maybe that's why it sounds like crap... LOL

My old 2011 Sonata had an app that would show stock quotes if I had the XM subscription. There must be 2 way communication to query the server for the specific quote you're looking for?

 

[joegr]

Are you sure it's one way? ...My old 2011 Sonata had an app that would show stock quotes if I had the XM subscription. There must be 2 way communication to query the server for the specific quote you're looking for?

Yes, I am 100% sure.
It sends all the data over and over, and your receiver only displays what you search for.

 

[SuperKing]

How big is the XM pipe? 151 channels at 96kbps is like 14.5mbps already, not including traffic data which will be for all of NA if it does download all at once.

 

[EdP]

Yes, I am 100% sure.
It sends all the data over and over, and your receiver only displays what you search for.

It can track and locate your vehicle too, but I don't know exactly how. There is a GPS device of some sort. They are fairly common these days. This explains a couple of methods.
https://www.eetimes.com/how-does-a-gps-tracking-system-work/#

 

[skipgen]

So, you do have cellular data then, why did you say it didn't?

So, you do have cellular data then, why did you say it didn't?

It's not data in the way that you're thinking, the modem is there to receive the BlueLink commands from the mobile app. Which are pretty simple. It's not for a hotspot or anything like that. It's way too slow.

 

[joegr]

It's not data in the way that you're thinking, the modem is there to receive the BlueLink commands from the mobile app. Which are pretty simple. It's not for a hotspot or anything like that. It's way too slow.

No, that's exactly the kind of data I am thinking of, not any hotspot wifi stuff. I have designed hardware with these cellular data transceivers to do financial transactions. It's plenty fast enough for a routing request and response.

 

[pulsar]

I didn't either...

Maybe I’m miss reading it?

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[SuperKing]

That section is missing from the Canadian version.

https://storage.googleapis.com/mapc...14.0/pdf/Hyundai_V14_New_Map_Features_SP2.pdf

We don't have wifi or Bluelink in those years.

 

[skipgen]

I don't see that page in the 2015-2016 features pdf.

 

[TinsleyC]

That will get you every time. I try not to leave stuff like that lay around just for that reason. I had a tire psi gauge cause lots of grief for me in the past.

I had a sound that drove me crazy. After 2 days of looking, it finally stopped... after taking my sunglasses out of the sunglass holder. They were flopping back and forth each time I'd brake and accelerate!

 

[TinsleyC]

Yes where you are and where you go but It seems not who you are.
from their webpage:
Most services we provide are oriented to provide services in location context without identifying the end-user. Where personal data may be involved, we strive to apply pseudonymization techniques to reduce the direct identifiability of data related to individuals

Strive.... reduce... yeah.

 

[Suburbazine]

How big is the XM pipe? 151 channels at 96kbps is like 14.5mbps already, not including traffic data which will be for all of NA if it does download all at once.

The SiriusXM pipe is a whopping 4.2Mbps total, split between 151 channels.

Traffic data is a side channel that consumes roughly 28Kbps- it updates the whole country (or delta updates the changes) at once so your traffic data ranges from 1-15minutes old.

Traffic data is generated by road sensors, commercial vehicles and in some cases your phones. Only the very newest cars have onboard sensors that relay traffic data.

 

[EdP]

Maybe I’m miss reading it?View attachment 29003

Last line is key. Now it may be nice to work faster with the service but having to pay certainly changes things for the future. What level or service is needed? If it is dead with out the service they will PO a lot of customers both on the new and used market.

 

[TinsleyC]

So are we saying that an active Connected Services account is required to use the map functions in update 14+?

Has anyone installed v14 that doesn't have an active CS account - and is it working? Or is it just slow?

Is the Hyundai/Genesis logic to reduce the cost of the maps from hundreds of dollars to free (first 3 years of ownership) or $25, but require us to pay $100 or more per year to keep the minimum CS account active?

Keeping it active lets them collect the telemetry they want for the insurance data, and marketing.

 

[Mcc]

So are we saying that an active Connected Services account is required to use the map functions in update 14+?

Has anyone installed v14 that doesn't have an active CS account - and is it working? Or is it just slow?

Is the Hyundai/Genesis logic to reduce the cost of the maps from hundreds of dollars to free (first 3 years of ownership) or $25, but require us to pay $100 or more per year to keep the minimum CS account active?

Keeping it active lets them collect the telemetry they want for the insurance data, and marketing.

And your google account doesn't?

 

[Shiva79]

So are we saying that an active Connected Services account is required to use the map functions in update 14+?

Has anyone installed v14 that doesn't have an active CS account - and is it working? Or is it just slow?

Is the Hyundai/Genesis logic to reduce the cost of the maps from hundreds of dollars to free (first 3 years of ownership) or $25, but require us to pay $100 or more per year to keep the minimum CS account active?

Keeping it active lets them collect the telemetry they want for the insurance data, and marketing.

Currently have my vehicle at the dealer due to an ongoing bluelink connecitivity issue. For the past two days I have used the ver. 14 update to navigate without issue. Once an address is entered it takes 7-10 seconds to map and display the route. It is indeed slower than ver 13 in displaying route.

 

[TinsleyC]

And your google account doesn't?

Sure it does. But this is my car. Trying to get the full picture here.