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Goodbye G70

Agreed. Genny thinks and acts like they are a Hyundai. Alfa was just any old Dodge.

But, when you can but something similar from a competitor and get a free massage, Starbucks coffees, no questions asked on why you want something fixed, etc. you better try harder. Sure the warranty is better so I'm willing to take the initial leap but how do you get me to take it again and again.
 
Totally understandable and I don't think anyone here can doubt that you were mistreated by Genesis.
Thanks for all you've done on this forum and helping everybody out with your research, knowledge, and skills.
We're all bummed out to see you go, but hopefully you can find a better car with a dealership that appreciates your business. ❤
 
Did you ever list the name of that dealership btw? The one that tried to get you to buy their repair equipment?
 
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Todd, we're all obviously sad to see you go, but also understand your decision. I think many of us have had a car that we ended up feeling good about selling. It's too bad Genesis failed you, but I'm sure this is a weight off your mind.
As many have said, we'll miss your top-notch write-ups and your valuable input, but I'm sure your family will appreciate getting to spend a bit more time with you. It goes fast.
You were a great example to us all in how you handled your turbo replacement. Those were some dark days at first, but you pulled through!
And you still have the fastest 0-60 time for any G70 (probably any Genesis)!
We all definitely want to know what your next set of wheels is going to be. Keep us posted. I suspect some other car forum is going to have a very valuable new member before too long.
Take care and stay safe!
 
Did you ever list the name of that dealership btw? The one that tried to get you to buy their repair equipment?


Yes. It is Genesis of Vancouver, WA.
 
I lurked here for about a year reading and getting a lot of answers before recently starting to post. Much of that info I couldn't find elsewhere. A good amount of that info came from you, Todd. Thank you.

Sorry to see you go, but completely understand. I got soured to the VW brand about 20 years ago and won't ever touch their products again...
That said, as stated above, when its more of a hassle and you look at your car as a nuisance as opposed to something you want to work on, then its game over and time to move on.
 
Yes. It is Genesis of Vancouver, WA.
Yep. The Vancouver Auto Group sucks. John Creedon the President is an assh0le to the inth degree. I have known him for 40+ years and still a pr1ck.
 
As alluded to in other posts, I let my G70 go. There are a couple reasons why...

First, the treatment I received at my local Genesis dealership after dealing with a broken turbo flange stud (due to my failed attempt at installing primary DP's). Their sheer incompetence, and attempting to charge me for tools, I ended up repairing it on my own by replacing the entire passenger side turbo with a brand new OEM part directly from Genesis. Despite using all new hardware and gaskets, and following each step as outlined in the FSM, Genesis - at the discretion of my dealership - revoked my full warranty down to a sort of partial warranty. The explanation that the Genesis rep gave to me didn't make much sense, nor did the reasoning; but, simply put, other than cutting down the length of the warranty to that of a 2nd owner/transfer warranty, they also told me they would have to have special authorization to complete any warranty work in the future.

After completing my repair of my G70, I decided to give my dealership one more chance by seeing if they could do my first complimentary service on the car. After calling the service manager, she explained to me that my current warranty doesn't cover complimentary oil changes/services; but, ultimately decided to 'go the extra mile' and allow complimentary services for one year. Irritated, I eventually figured I would just go for it and let them at least change my oil for free. After getting my car back, I spoke with the tech who drove my car back to my house. He was a pleasant guy, so I chatted him up about cars, and eventually about mods. He reinforced what the dealership had told me prior to this - ANY modifications and they will void my warranty. Anyway, later on, I decided to inspect their work and noticed a significantly overtorqued drain plug to the point where the washer was completely deformed and I was surprised the threads weren't stripped in the block. Also, the oil filter cartridge was crossthreaded and leaking.

By this time I had spent months going back and forth with my dealership, and Genesis corporate about my warranty - and to top it all off it was clear that my dealer was absolutely inept at performing even routine maintenance. I had completely lost trust in Genesis and my dealership.

Fast forward to a couple weeks ago, when doing my 10,000 mile oil change I noticed leaking fluid at the bottom of my bellhousing. Prior to this, I had seen increasing reports of leaking in this area both on the G70 and the Stinger, either being attributed to a rear main seal leak, or a leak from the transmission side. When I saw that my car shared this same leak, I could only assume that my car had one or the other of those two aforementioned problems. Whichever it was didn't matter, as the diagnosis would require the same work - the engine and transmission would have to be removed from the car, and separated to inspect the interior of the bellhousing.

Considering my experience with my local dealership I knew that I would be taking a substantial risk to bring it to them for repair. First, there would be a significant chance that they wouldn't repair it under warranty, considering how much frustration I went through with them in the past which ended up with me losing my full warranty. Second, even if they went ahead with the repair (whether under warranty or if I paid out of pocket) how could I trust them to complete the job properly? How could I be sure they wouldn't screw something else up, and weasel their way out of any responsibility? How would my resale value look if my car had new problems after a "repair" by my incompetent dealership?

It was clear to me that if I wanted my car fixed, I'd most likely have to be up for a fight. My state only has one dealership, located in the center of the state. The other dealership that is close to me is the one that I had problems with (Genesis of Vancouver, WA). So, if I wanted any chance of a repair being done right, I'd have to drive 4hrs away from home, then find a way back, and hope and pray that Genesis would honor the mistake of THEIR poor quality control during the assembly line. No seal should be leaking on a new car with only 10,000 miles on it.

I decided to remove all my modifications in preparation to bring it to that dealership... But, by the time I had everything removed I realized something. I didn't love my car anymore. In fact, I hated it. All I saw in my car was the reminder of how poorly Genesis USA has treated me, along with my local dealership. All I could see were the shortcomings of my car, all the things I wanted it to be but it clearly wasn't. After spending the last 1.5 years of using most of my free time on my car, instead of with the short time I'm able to see my wife each week, and ending up with this icon of frustration to show for it - I realized that, for me, this isn't worth it.

Maybe the farther away dealership could properly repair my car. Maybe even Genesis would honor it as a warranty service. Maybe everything would be fine. But, considering my experience up to that point I decided it wasn't worth it. It wasn't worth the anxiety, stress, and strain on me or my family, no matter what the outcome. I decided that it would be better to sell the car as soon as possible.

So that's what I did. I sold my car to a local dealership. I figured a dealership would have the resources and warranty to repair the leak in the bellhousing. Whomever buys the car next should have the comfort and reassurance that their dealership can fix what's wrong if it ends up causing any problems without having to pay for it. If I were to sell it privately, there would be no guarantee of that; but, by selling it to a dealer (non-genesis), there would be a surety of some form of warranty for the next buyer.

As for me, I lost a lot of money; but, I gained a lot of relief.

I want to say that I have truly appreciated everyone on this forum. I like the people here, and I feel that I consider myself to have very similar interests and values as most members here. I'll probably stick around for a little while, both to see what is going on in the Genesis world, and also to sell all of my aftermarket parts.

Take a look in the classifieds section for my parts for sale. As of this writing, there are a few things that people have already called dibs on. I'll post everything that isn't already called for.

Thanks everyone, and good luck.

Todd, let me first thank you for the information you've provided to the forum. I've really enjoyed reading about the modifications you'd perform on your car. I'm sure you're a hell of a nice guy, and would be a fantastic friend to have locally!

BUT, I'm going to be the bad guy here, and say that you only have yourself to blame for your issues and troubles. Genesis, rightfully so, has no obligation to warranty items on your car that are affected due to modifications. Furthermore, by removing modifications and attempting to have warranty work done is fraud. My stand is with Genesis.

I realize this is the unpopular opinion, but it is mine...worth exactly what you paid for it. I wish you the best of luck with whatever new vehicle you buy!
 
Todd, let me first thank you for the information you've provided to the forum. I've really enjoyed reading about the modifications you'd perform on your car. I'm sure you're a hell of a nice guy, and would be a fantastic friend to have locally!

BUT, I'm going to be the bad guy here, and say that you only have yourself to blame for your issues and troubles. Genesis, rightfully so, has no obligation to warranty items on your car that are affected due to modifications. Furthermore, by removing modifications and attempting to have warranty work done is fraud. My stand is with Genesis.

I realize this is the unpopular opinion, but it is mine...worth exactly what you paid for it. I wish you the best of luck with whatever new vehicle you buy!

Ok, let's have an objective conversation about this before it explodes, because you're right this won't be popular. What is your opinion based on?
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Todd, let me first thank you for the information you've provided to the forum. I've really enjoyed reading about the modifications you'd perform on your car. I'm sure you're a hell of a nice guy, and would be a fantastic friend to have locally!

BUT, I'm going to be the bad guy here, and say that you only have yourself to blame for your issues and troubles. Genesis, rightfully so, has no obligation to warranty items on your car that are affected due to modifications. Furthermore, by removing modifications and attempting to have warranty work done is fraud. My stand is with Genesis.

I realize this is the unpopular opinion, but it is mine...worth exactly what you paid for it. I wish you the best of luck with whatever new vehicle you buy!

But come on BDT, not only did he replace the turbo with an OEM turbo, he discovered and fixed an issue from the factory where a hose wasn't properly attached (that he may not have discovered unless he'd attempted to replace the downpipe in the first place), but in the repair/replacement of the turbo, probably did a better job at doing so than the bolt-stripping dealer tech who likely would have botched the job if he can't even use a torque wrench and follow factory specifications.

Now I can see denying a warranty based if it can be shown to be caused by mods- that's a whole different discussion.
 
Ok, let's have an objective conversation about this before it explodes, because you're right this won't be popular. What is your opinion based on?

Absolutely. Thanks for the respectable response.

My "opinion" is based on almost thirty years experience in the automotive industry, a vast understanding of the manufacturers liability(warranty) for a new vehicle in regards to modifications, and from direct personal experience as both a car owner of a modified vehicle and from a manufacturers standpoint of warranty claims concerning modified vehicles. In other words, I've both been a customer with a modified vehicle, and have been a manufactures representative that has dealt with customers of modified vehicles.
 
Todd, let me first thank you for the information you've provided to the forum. I've really enjoyed reading about the modifications you'd perform on your car. I'm sure you're a hell of a nice guy, and would be a fantastic friend to have locally!

BUT, I'm going to be the bad guy here, and say that you only have yourself to blame for your issues and troubles. Genesis, rightfully so, has no obligation to warranty items on your car that are affected due to modifications. Furthermore, by removing modifications and attempting to have warranty work done is fraud. My stand is with Genesis.

I realize this is the unpopular opinion, but it is mine...worth exactly what you paid for it. I wish you the best of luck with whatever new vehicle you buy!


It's all good! I respect where you're coming from and I am sure Genesis sees it the same way, which, to me, is understandable.

I'm just glad it's not something I have to stress about anymore.
 
Absolutely. Thanks for the respectable response.

My "opinion" is based on almost thirty years experience in the automotive industry, a vast understanding of the manufacturers liability(warranty) for a new vehicle in regards to modifications, and from direct personal experience as both a car owner of a modified vehicle and from a manufacturers standpoint of warranty claims concerning modified vehicles. In other words, I've both been a customer with a modified vehicle, and have been a manufactures representative that has dealt with customers of modified vehicles.

What part of his actions do you think resulted in the denial of warranty? My understanding is that there needs to be reasonable proof the a modification caused and issue. So with his car fully intact and functioning with OEM parts, I can't understand how warranty would be denied.
 
Ok, let's have an objective conversation about this before it explodes, because you're right this won't be popular. What is your opinion based on?
He came into Todd's thread and took a big crap. He knows what he's doing. It's classic forum troll behavior.
 
Thank you, Todd, for all that you've contributed to the forum. I understand the frustration that can boil over from a bad dealership experience to disliking the car; my local Audi dealer had the same affect on me with my A4 (will never buy an Audi again after the way I was treated by both the dealer and Audi USA., nor will I buy a car with a dual mass flywheel). I'm not sure if you've answered this in another post, but what did you end up buying?

To play devil's advocate, whenever I decide to modify a car, I sign a mental liability waiver that I'll have to be responsible for repairs going forward. Having said that, this is mostly from my years wtih VAG as they'll void your warranty the second they detect that the ECU has been flashed (Google VAG TD1 tag). Don't get me wrong, the dealership is entirely to blame because of their incompetence, but I wasn't surprised to hear about the warranty. My G70 is stock right now because I'm not ready to make that commitment, and I love the free oil changes (although you have me curious about the competency of their oil changes).

Good luck with your next car; the forum of which will be very lucky to have you.
 
This place just isn't going to be the same without you Todd. ☹️
 
Todd failed at installing the DPs so technically he never got them on and instead just got his turbos and DPs replaced stock for stock at the time they decided to limp mode him. No reason to void warranty based on that context
 
Thank you, Todd, for all that you've contributed to the forum. I understand the frustration that can boil over from a bad dealership experience to disliking the car; my local Audi dealer had the same affect on me with my A4 (will never buy an Audi again after the way I was treated by both the dealer and Audi USA., nor will I buy a car with a dual mass flywheel). I'm not sure if you've answered this in another post, but what did you end up buying?

To play devil's advocate, whenever I decide to modify a car, I sign a mental liability waiver that I'll have to be responsible for repairs going forward. Having said that, this is mostly from my years wtih VAG as they'll void your warranty the second they detect that the ECU has been flashed (Google VAG TD1 tag). Don't get me wrong, the dealership is entirely to blame because of their incompetence, but I wasn't surprised to hear about the warranty. My G70 is stock right now because I'm not ready to make that commitment, and I love the free oil changes (although you have me curious about the competency of their oil changes).

Good luck with your next car; the forum of which will be very lucky to have you.

Modifications to a vehicle don't by default void a warranty. It really depends on what was done and if the modification played a part in creating an issue. It's not an either or situation where for example you change your wheels and suddenly have no drivetrain warranty.
 
Modifications to a vehicle don't by default void a warranty. It really depends on what was done and if the modification played a part in creating an issue. It's not an either or situation where for example you change your wheels and suddenly have no drivetrain warranty.
Plenty of VAG owners have tried to argue that and have failed. I'm sure you could take them to court over it, but would you really want to?

I realize that this isn't that relevant to Todd, because we all own Genesis G70s, but it's my reason for being on the safe side.
 
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