GV80 Pricing (USA) Revealed

[Chad86tsi]

What didn't you like about it. I love the interior and exterior - and it's nice to see a high performance version available. Maybe you could do a comparison if you ever drive the GV80.

Otherwise, reliability isn't something Ford/Lincoln are well-known for. The Asian brands are ahead of everyone when it comes to reliability...

it was too “neutral”, too linear. it has similar weight and good power to my ‘15 5.0, but that power delivery was quite different. Also, both have adaptive suspension, but even in sport mode, the Aviator was “flat”. It had no body roll and felt pretty solid. But also felt heavy in every response to input. It probably feels exactly the way they wanted it to, I’m probably the wrong demographic. I might need to look at jag, bmw, etc.

 

[Fun and Joy]

it was too “neutral”, too linear. it has similar weight and good power to my ‘15 5.0, but that power delivery was quite different. Also, both have adaptive suspension, but even in sport mode, the Aviator was “flat”. It had no body roll and felt pretty solid. But also felt heavy in every response to input. It probably feels exactly the way they wanted it to, I’m probably the wrong demographic. I might need to look at jag, bmw, etc.

The more you look and compare the happier you are with your final decision. Well, for me anyway
I can’t wait to drive the GV80 myself. I’ve long since qualified as a senior, but I feel like a child waiting my birthday, summer seems so far away yet! LOL

 

[ctsooner]

Guys, we have gotten into things, because many made assumptions based on what the press put out or what Genesis did with the car in Korea that won't make it to North America. We are now making assumptions on reliability.

That's not fair to do just yet. It's a totally new vehicle. new everything, especially the 3.5 engine. I too assume that it's going to be reliable, but it's still not fair to say that it is or even will be. There is also a TON of brand new tech never used before. That's one of the biggest issues the GLE and GLS have had in their newest form.

If I lease, it doesn't bother me as much.

 

[Blackjackmark]

It was a guess. They even said it was a guess. They guessed wrong. They had to float some number. It was link bait to make you think C&D knew something so you keep clicking on them. Now that they have been shown to be wrong, these same folks will continue to accept what they say as fact even when they say “We'd guess a starting price ...”

I didn’t say it wasn’t a guess. But the impact of that guess for me was to even consider spending $65k. Had they guessed at $70k, I would haven’t even considered it.
For me, I’ve been considering a vehicle in the $55-$60k range. Reading about a top of the line Genesis for $65k, and having owned Kias for the last eight years and loved them, made me consider stretching to $65k. Now to stretch another $8k and I have no more stretch to give.

 

[Backslack]

That's not fair to do just yet. It's a totally new vehicle. new everything, especially the 3.5 engine. I too assume that it's going to be reliable, but it's still not fair to say that it is or even will be. There is also a TON of brand new tech never used before. That's one of the biggest issues the GLE and GLS have had in their newest form.

The Aviator's issues aren't related solely to its technology, but also its manufacturing defects off the assembly line.

2020 Ford Explorer, Lincoln Aviator having big quality control issues

This is common with many Ford products- you'll find more than a few videos on Youtube with people talking about awful panel gaps and such on their Lincolns and Mustangs.

The German cars are generally deemed unreliable because of technology issues, not because they're poorly built. Ford/Lincoln products have technology issues AND are generally poorly built. Genesis is leagues ahead in this department, and it isn't even close.

 

[YEH]

^ Yep - w/ Lincoln/Ford, many of the issues has to do w/ production and not engineering (altho L/F has plenty of those as well).

W/ the 2.5T and 3.5TT being new engines, they are a ? as reliability goes, but would have more confidence in a new engine from Hyundai than one from Ford.

As for as the Germans, they tend to over-engineer (make things more complicated than necessary) and/or often cheapen out in areas where one shouldn't cheapen out (such as the coolant/water pump failure on BMWs due to valve cover being made out of cheap plastic).

I didn’t say it wasn’t a guess. But the impact of that guess for me was to even consider spending $65k. Had they guessed at $70k, I would haven’t even considered it.

For me, I’ve been considering a vehicle in the $55-$60k range. Reading about a top of the line Genesis for $65k, and having owned Kias for the last eight years and loved them, made me consider stretching to $65k. Now to stretch another $8k and I have no more stretch to give.

No one says you need to get the top trim GV80 - which has a lot of new tech/features which you won't need/miss.

That would be like outright dismissing the Aviator since its top trim tops out at around $88k.

Lincoln expects most buyers to opt for the Reserve ($59k w/ AWD) and then GT ($69k) trims; there being 2 trims above the GT.

 

[ctsooner]

Guys, the only point I was making was that we can't just summarily say that the GV80 will be reliable. I too assume it will be, even in it's first year, but we have zero clue right now. I never said a word about the Lincoln as I read up before posting and agree that it's a mess. The GLE is a mess too, but I cant remember if it's one of the engines or the vehicle itself regardless of the engine choice.

I agree on the trim package and engine of the GV80. You can go a bit lower and still probably get as much, if not more tech and goodies than the competition.

 

[Blackjackmark]

No one says you need to get the top trim GV80 - which has a lot of new tech/features which you won't need/miss.

You’re missing the point. First of all, 99% of the features on this vehicle, NO ONE needs.

We are not talking about need here, we are talking about the fact that a leading industry magazine published the idea that it would be fully loaded at $65,000. So that was the assumption that I entered into the possibility of purchasing one. Now that price has been disproven, I am moving on.

And I am moving on because I WANT ( not need) all the bells and whistles. For you to say you think that I don’t is laughable, because you don’t even know me. And if you had even read any of my previous comments in this vein, you would know that I am a gadget person, and I want all the bells and whistles, and I am the type of person that if a version of a vehicle has features on it that I want but don’t have, then I probably am not happy with it.
Had Genesis priced the 2.5 at 65,000 and included all the bells and whistles, we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation. A bigger engine is not on my want list, but the fact that they are not including several of the high-end features such as the Nappa leather, the full digital instrument cluster, etc., with the 2.5, then I’m moving on.

 

[Mcc]

Now that price has been disproven, I am moving on.

You are right. This car at these prices are not for you. The real pricing came out one month after the goof by the leading industry magazine. So you had a month of unfounded joy. This isn’t your car if you can’t/won’t pay the price.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

You’re missing the point. First of all, 99% of the features on this vehicle, NO ONE needs.

We are not talking about need here, we are talking about the fact that a leading industry magazine published the idea that it would be fully loaded at $65,000. So that was the assumption that I entered into the possibility of purchasing one. Now that price has been disproven, I am moving on.

And I am moving on because I WANT ( not need) all the bells and whistles. For you to say you think that I don’t is laughable, because you don’t even know me. And if you had even read any of my previous comments in this vein, you would know that I am a gadget person, and I want all the bells and whistles, and I am the type of person that if a version of a vehicle has features on it that I want but don’t have, then I probably am not happy with it.
Had Genesis priced the 2.5 at 65,000 and included all the bells and whistles, we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation. A bigger engine is not on my want list, but the fact that they are not including several of the high-end features such as the Nappa leather, the full digital instrument cluster, etc., with the 2.5, then I’m moving on.

I understand where you're coming from. It was a stretch to afford your dream vehicle at $65k as it was. $70k just makes it out of your reach. I'm a technology/gadget person as well - so I know what you mean. When making a big purchase like this, it's nice to know you got everything that was available to you at the time...

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[YEH]

You’re missing the point. First of all, 99% of the features on this vehicle, NO ONE needs.

Yes, which is why auto-makers offer various trim levels (or offer options a la carte) in order to appeal to buyers at difference price-points.

We are not talking about need here, we are talking about the fact that a leading industry magazine published the idea that it would be fully loaded at $65,000. So that was the assumption that I entered into the possibility of purchasing one. Now that price has been disproven, I am moving on.

Like I had stated numerous times before, the notion that Genesis would offer a fully-loaded, RWD midsize lux CUV at $65k was ludicrous, unless Genesis limited the level of tech, lux and amenties of the top trim to little more than can be found in the top spec current G80.

The Aviator Black Label starts at around $78k.

The top BL GT trim starts at $88.8k.

Even the mid-level GT trim starts at $69k.

Anyone who thought Genesis was going to offer its top spec under the price of the mid-spec Aviator was fooling themselves.

The only way Genesis would be able to do that is if they limited the level of tech, lux and amenities to well below what the Aviator offers.

And I am moving on because I WANT ( not need) all the bells and whistles. For you to say you think that I don’t is laughable, because you don’t even know me. And if you had even read any of my previous comments in this vein, you would know that I am a gadget person, and I want all the bells and whistles, and I am the type of person that if a version of a vehicle has features on it that I want but don’t have, then I probably am not happy with it.

Had Genesis priced the 2.5 at 65,000 and included all the bells and whistles, we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation. A bigger engine is not on my want list, but the fact that they are not including several of the high-end features such as the Nappa leather, the full digital instrument cluster, etc., with the 2.5, then I’m moving on.

That's fine, but Genesis USA made the decision they made w/ respect to kit level for the 2.5T engine b/c you're likely in the minority of buyers.

Ideally, it would be nice if there was more variety in trim levels (if not being able to custom order on a certain level), but would entail higher pricing.

What makes you think Genesis can make a competitive/equitable product and price it $12-13k below Lincoln, nevermind even more for BMW and MB?

Tech-wise, you're really only missing out on the digital instrument cluster (which isn't nearly as much of a need as the safety and driver's aid tech).

And remember, Korean market gets stuff that's omitted from the US market - so we don't get all the bells and whistles as Genesis rightly thinks that the US market isn't ready for Genesis vehicles priced comparatively to the KDM vehicles.

That's why something like the Genesis Prada was offered in Korea, but was unthinkable here.

 

[Blackjackmark]

Well I guess you're smarter than me, so I'm moving on.

Yes, which is why auto-makers offer various trim levels (or offer options a la carte) in order to appeal to buyers at difference price-points.




Like I had stated numerous times before, the notion that Genesis would offer a fully-loaded, RWD midsize lux CUV at $65k was ludicrous, unless Genesis limited the level of tech, lux and amenties of the top trim to little more than can be found in the top spec current G80.

The Aviator Black Label starts at around $78k.

The top BL GT trim starts at $88.8k.

Even the mid-level GT trim starts at $69k.

Anyone who thought Genesis was going to offer its top spec under the price of the mid-spec Aviator was fooling themselves.

The only way Genesis would be able to do that is if they limited the level of tech, lux and amenities to well below what the Aviator offers.




That's fine, but Genesis USA made the decision they made w/ respect to kit level for the 2.5T engine b/c you're likely in the minority of buyers.

Ideally, it would be nice if there was more variety in trim levels (if not being able to custom order on a certain level), but would entail higher pricing.

What makes you think Genesis can make a competitive/equitable product and price it $12-13k below Lincoln, nevermind even more for BMW and MB?

Tech-wise, you're really only missing out on the digital instrument cluster (which isn't nearly as much of a need as the safety and driver's aid tech).

And remember, Korean market gets stuff that's omitted from the US market - so we don't get all the bells and whistles as Genesis rightly thinks that the US market isn't ready for Genesis vehicles priced comparatively to the KDM vehicles.

That's why something like the Genesis Prada was offered in Korea, but was unthinkable here.

 

[Rmsanger]

any links to release data/pricing/etc on the GV70? My wife has an MDX and we'd like to size down 1 class so it's between the RDX / RDX type S and the hence coming GV70. I hope it will be priced in line to compete with the Acura; also sure would prefer the 3.5T.

 

[EdP]

any links to release data/pricing/etc on the GV70? My wife has an MDX and we'd like to size down 1 class so it's between the RDX / RDX type S and the hence coming GV70. I hope it will be priced in line to compete with the Acura; also sure would prefer the 3.5T.

I think that is months away yet.

 

[YEH]

Automobile mag did a pretty wonky comparison, comparing the Corsair (and not the Aviator), Enclave and XT6.

Comparing the 2020 Lincoln Corsair, Buick Enclave, and Cadillac XT6

SUV Shootout: The 2020 Lincoln Corsair goes up against the 2020 Buick Enclave and 2020 Cadillac XT6.

www.automobilemag.com

As tested prices -

Corsair AWD Reserve - $60,110
Enclave Essence AWD 1SL - $49,055
XT6 Premium Luxury AWD - $70,890

The top Avenir trim for the Buick starts at $56,100.

So can get the top spec 2.5T w/ the AWD package for only about $4k more than the Corsair AWD Reserve.

And the price of the top 3.5TT w/ the AWD package is right there w/ the XT6 which is inferior in just about every way.

 

[the.tru.albertan]

Any word on Canadian pricing?

 

[Londoner01]

Any word on Canadian pricing?

I am from Canada, I put down my $1,000 deposit roughly Jan15/2020. I have requested pricing from the dealer several times but NOTHING.
I ordered a GV80 3.5T Prestige AWD, Uyuni White with Blue/Beige interior.

 

[the.tru.albertan]

I am from Canada, I put down my $1,000 deposit roughly Jan15/2020. I have requested pricing from the dealer several times but NOTHING.
I ordered a GV80 3.5T Prestige AWD, Uyuni White with Blue/Beige interior.

Yah. They need to get it together.

 

[ctsooner]

I know that in Korea they seem to have the virus under much better control than other countries. Does anyone know where production stands? I assume they have pushed back the release dates and that's probably why the prices aren't showing up. How come the US prices are on the site and not Canada? That seems very strange to me since they 'released' it in Canada before the US.

I feel so badly for the whole auto industry right now. They are getting clobbered with nearly zero sales. It comes at a time where the 21's will be coming out right when folks THINK the US will open up (as well as Canada). There will be a glut of 20's to sell which will drive the prices down on the Europeans. I know I got a 79k Jag XFS in late Sept '17 for only 58k plus tax (I didn't pay any of the 'extra' fees they try to hide as profit.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the GV80 once things do open back up. Will they offer any incentives if they aren't selling like they thought they would? Maybe this is a reason they are holding off on pricing. Sorry for the book I just wrote, but I'm bored, lol.

 

[Londoner01]

I know that in Korea they seem to have the virus under much better control than other countries. Does anyone know where production stands? I assume they have pushed back the release dates and that's probably why the prices aren't showing up. How come the US prices are on the site and not Canada? That seems very strange to me since they 'released' it in Canada before the US.

I feel so badly for the whole auto industry right now. They are getting clobbered with nearly zero sales. It comes at a time where the 21's will be coming out right when folks THINK the US will open up (as well as Canada). There will be a glut of 20's to sell which will drive the prices down on the Europeans. I know I got a 79k Jag XFS in late Sept '17 for only 58k plus tax (I didn't pay any of the 'extra' fees they try to hide as profit.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the GV80 once things do open back up. Will they offer any incentives if they aren't selling like they thought they would? Maybe this is a reason they are holding off on pricing. Sorry for the book I just wrote, but I'm bored, lol.

All of the above is true, but if I am Genesis, I would push even harder in these hard times. Don't sit back and pause, charge straight ahead and do everything Genesis can do to get market share. This is not the end of the world. Be positive.