Hard riding Genesis sedan.

[Mark_888]

I believe you are correct but a dealer must do it. I recall reading the TPMS goes off at 28lbs, by default.

I think that is correct (allowing for some inaccuracies in the TPMS device). I have not had any trouble with the TPMS warning at 31 psi, except when it got really cold and the psi went below 28 even after the tires were warmed up.

 

[Mark_888]

I really don’t want to get in the middle of this fine discussion, but to put what Mark is saying in very few words is that Michelin’s, or any other mfg. use and care manual should not be followed and personal preference is the rule of the day. I don’t have a problem with that position, its Mark’s car and tires. If he wants to set the pressure at 20 psi or 50 psi, I don’t care. The uninformed should be told that there is a recommendation from Hyundai on the driver’s door and to read the tire manufactures instructions. Then they can make their own informed decision.

I didn't say anything about the tire manufacturer (Michelin, et al) psi recommendations, I only mentioned the auto manufacturer. And I did not say one should not follow the auto manufacturer recommendations, but one might want to use a different psi (or one might want to use the recommended psi).

The problem is that for the exact same tire, two different auto manufacturers may have wildly different tire psi recommendations, for similar weight vehicles. This may be because of the many variables involved (MPG vs ride comfort) one manufacturer may favor MPG and another braking and ride comfort. My previous car recommended 26 psi for any tire put on the car.

In any case, I don't think lowering the Genesis tire PSI to 31 will cause any harm whatsoever to the tire, and it will provide a slightly softer ride, albeit with slightly less MPG. I have stated in this and other threads, that I would not recommend going below 30 psi, and that this assumes one is diligent about making sure tires are always inflated to at least 30 psi. Using 33 psi gives one an extra margin of cushion if one is not diligent about checking tire pressure, but the TPMS is also there in case you go below 28 psi.

 

[dickster]

Someone is in awe that I bought the car without a test drive. Yes, maybe I'm crazy but I have bought a number of cars over the years without test driving. Back in the sixties no one ever took test rides. They weren't offered.

I did do a lot of research and the irony is that the press loves the car but I see a lot of unhappy dudes here. I once owned a Volvo 760, rode like a stagecoach. Kinda like the Genesis. At least the headroom in the Genesis is good. I used to crack my noggin on the headliner when hitting a pothole in the Volvo. I got used to the Volvo, I'll get used to the Genesis.

But I don't buy that sport-sedan bull that everyone eats. I just rode in an Audi 8 with the 12 cyl engine, a $140,000 sport sedan and you know what?? It didn't rattle your kidneys.

 

[jwaters943]

I just rode in an Audi 8 with the 12 cyl engine, a $140,000 sport sedan and you know what?? It didn't rattle your kidneys.

Ummm, DUH! If it costs as much as a small house/condo to buy, it better well be as close to perfect as possible. The Audi has an air suspension IIRC. If you want I'm sure you could figure out a way to import the air suspension from Korea and install it on your Genesis and still save approx. $90k over the V12 A8.

I'm sorry to hear you didn't do proper research when buying your car. In case you haven't noticed, it's not the 60s anymore and test drives have been widely available (and encouraged) by most dealers for years.

Seriously though, did lowering the tire pressure to around 33 (or less as Mark recommends) help at all?

 

[Cut-Throat]

I did do a lot of research and the irony is that the press loves the car but I see a lot of unhappy dudes here.

I have been reading this forum for the last few weeks and the complaints here are very minimal compared to the competition. I don't see too many unhappy dudes at all. Quite the contrary!

 

[scottdk]

I did do a lot of research and the irony is that the press loves the car but I see a lot of unhappy dudes here. I once owned a Volvo 760, rode like a stagecoach. Kinda like the Genesis. At least the headroom in the Genesis is good. I used to crack my noggin on the headliner when hitting a pothole in the Volvo. I got used to the Volvo, I'll get used to the Genesis.

I'm one super satisfied owner with how the suspension feels. It's great. I did notice it softens up a little after you put some miles on the car.

Keep in mind, many others feel the same way I do about the supension, but people like to voice their displeasure with things, and that's what's "heard", and the great things about this car don't get the attention they deserve because people keep beating the dead horse about what bothers them, not what pleases them.

 

[dg_moore]

I love the way this car rides. I'm reminded of the first time, many years ago, that I rode an English racing bike after riding Schwinn balloon tires for years, or when I got a Volvo 164 (remember those?) after driving wandery/floaty American cars for years. If you don't like a firm ride buy a Buick/Avalon/whatever.

 

[nearwater]

Probably my first time chiming in regarding suspension arguments.
I also read a lot of reviews about the ride quality before buying the Genesis, and during test drives I didn't notice the issues that others described.

Based on that short test drive, I concluded that the ride quality won't be an issue for me and decided to buy it.
Initial thought on the ride comfort for me was that it's smooth as butter, especially coming from sports cars with hard suspensions;
- '02 Acura RSX-S w/ modified suspension(H&R)
- '04 Subaru WRX(stock)
- '04 VW R32 w/ modified suspension(H&R)
- '07 Honda S2000, modified suspension(H&R)
- '08 Chevy Corvette, modified suspension(Z06 springs/Bilstein shocks)

I tried driving on several types of road on purpose and noticed that it is somewhat stiffer than normal family sedans.
Compared to some german sport sedans, it seems to not absorb the smaller road imperfections while smoothly absorbing bigger bumps.
What I normally notice in german sedans is the exact opposite; smooth on small cracks, quite harder on bigger bumps.
The Genesis felt a lot like the current gen Lexus GS300.

From everyday driving, I have absolutely no complaints regarding the suspension.

When was the minor suspension change implemented on the '09 models?
My car's build date is 5/20/2009, so I'm not sure if mine is after the change or not?

Dan

 

[Mark_888]

I love the way this car rides. I'm reminded of the first time, many years ago, that I rode an English racing bike after riding Schwinn balloon tires for years, or when I got a Volvo 164 (remember those?) after driving wandery/floaty American cars for years. If you don't like a firm ride buy a Buick/Avalon/whatever.

Which version of the car are you talking about?

There are three different Genesis Sedan versions of the suspension:

1. Original 2009 model
2. 2009 model built after April 2009 with changes to shocks (I may be wrong about the date)
3. 2010 model with revised shocks and springs, and revised bushings

It is very confusing when people talk about the suspension as if all these are the same, when they are known to be different.

 

[dg_moore]

Which version of the car are you talking about?

2010 3.8 Build date 12/18/09

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[Disaster]

I have been reading this forum for the last few weeks and the complaints here are very minimal compared to the competition. I don't see too many unhappy dudes at all. Quite the contrary!

Ditto. You will always find people with questions/problems/issues on public internet forums. That is one of their main uses. I've never been on a forum where it was a total lovefest. On the whole, people here seem to really like their Genesis sedans.

 

[Seattle Genesis]

Love the car, hate the ride.. I would trade it in a heart beat if I wouldn't lose my shirt in the trade.

 

[Bear]

I have been trying to trade my way out, but can't. The Genesis has no value. I realized this might be the case going in, but didn't expect all the problems & a manufacturer that doesn't care.

 

[Disaster]

I have been trying to trade my way out, but can't. The Genesis has no value. I realized this might be the case going in, but didn't expect all the problems & a manufacturer that doesn't care.

Define "no value." There are a couple rules of thumb related to car sales everyone should be aware of.

1. Cars depreciate the most in the first year. 30% is not uncommon. The depreciation slows down in each ensuing years. The longer you keep a car, the better the value you get out of it.
2. You will always take a hit on a trade in vs. a private sale.
3. You always lose tax, title and other fees when reselling a car.

 

[ASHDUMP]

Love the car, hate the ride.. I would trade it in a heart beat if I wouldn't lose my shirt in the trade.

I have been trying to trade my way out, but can't. The Genesis has no value. I realized this might be the case going in, but didn't expect all the problems & a manufacturer that doesn't care.

How about you grab eachothers ballsacks and get rid of the damn cars?

 

[Cut-Throat]

Love the car, hate the ride.. I would trade it in a heart beat if I wouldn't lose my shirt in the trade.

A sports sedan is going to have a much stiffer ride than the 'floaty' ride of a full sized sedan. I can tell you that my Lexus GS350 has a much harsher ride than the Genesis. And my Friend's Porsche is bone jarring stiff.

Next time do not bother to even look at a 'Sports Sedan', if the ride is too stiff for you. Look at a Toyota Avalon or Buick La Crosse or Lucerne.

 

[dg_moore]

Next time do not bother to even look at a 'Sports Sedan', if the ride is too stiff for you. Look at a Toyota Avalon or Buick La Crosse or Lucerne.

I'm puzzled as to why somebody would purchase any car if he/she didn't like the way it rides. If you're accustomed to floating along in a Buick or something, you would sense the difference in the first 3 seconds of a test drive in a Genesis. For pete's sake, if you don't like it then don't buy the car.

 

[jwaters943]

dg_moore:

Unfortunately there seems to be quite a few Genesis owners who's only pre-purchase research included reading reviews of the car. It's obvious that a proper test drive on a variety of surfaces was not done. In fact, a couple have admitted to not even driving one at all prior to purchase.

They get no sympathy from me.

 

[oldtimer]

I test drove both 2009 V6 & V8 and felt immediately the harsh ride. But I liked the strong, hard feel to the steering and felt that at half the price of comparable cars (IMHO) you just can't beat the Bang for the Buck. Researching a car on the internet is great, attending the Auto shows is very informative, but fellows, you just gotta get behind the wheel and drive the buggy. So no surprises!

 

[Disaster]

How about you grab eachothers ballsacks and get rid of the damn cars?

Come on guys, lets be civil.

A sports sedan is going to have a much stiffer ride than the 'floaty' ride of a full sized sedan. I can tell you that my Lexus GS350 has a much harsher ride than the Genesis. And my Friend's Porsche is bone jarring stiff.
Next time do not bother to even look at a 'Sports Sedan', if the ride is too stiff for you. Look at a Toyota Avalon or Buick La Crosse or Lucerne.

This isn't the first time I've said this and I'm not the only one but I'll repeat it again. The issue many people are having IS NOT the overall stiffness, but the overall balance of the suspension. The car heaves too much over some surfaces. I have driven stiffer (much) and softer suspensions that damped better. The car can heave over some surfaces and even get into a resonance condition over even road bumps (like expansion joints on some highways) such that it tips forward and backward like a porpoise. This is not caused by it being too stiff or too sporty. It is caused by not refining the suspension properly.

I'm puzzled as to why somebody would purchase any car if he/she didn't like the way it rides. If you're accustomed to floating along in a Buick or something, you would sense the difference in the first 3 seconds of a test drive in a Genesis. For pete's sake, if you don't like it then don't buy the car.

Again, it isn't the sportiness of the suspension that is bothering some people, but the lack of refinement. This can come across as too stiff and bouncy but it is more the later, than the former. My guess is the car should have a lower high speed damping rate, and a higher low speed rate.
It also isn't something you might notice in 3 seconds. We test drove the Genesis for two days, over some nasty Detroit potholed roads. While we noted it fealt considerably stiffer than our previous car, the worst problems didn't manifest themselves over the roads we drove, including my wife's drive to work.
However, subsequently, we found some roads where it acts downright terrible. For example it does not like the downhill section of Long Lake just West of Woodward avenue. It pitches more than any car I've ever driven on that section. There was another section of road we drove on, in Royal Oak if I recall, where it fealt like the car got airborn...yielding a feeling of lack of control. I've not driven on a section of freeway that causes the porpoising issue, but if I did, and I had to drive on that road every day, I'd be very upset.

dg_moore:
Unfortunately there seems to be quite a few Genesis owners who's only pre-purchase research included reading reviews of the car. It's obvious that a proper test drive on a variety of surfaces was not done. In fact, a couple have admitted to not even driving one at all prior to purchase.
They get no sympathy from me.

That comes across as insulting, which I think we should avoid on these forums. You don't need to sympathize with them, but if you aren't in their shoes so you don't know what there particular situation is therefore it is premature to judge them. Even with a test drive we didn't notice how unsettled the car could get because we didn't hit roads that caused the suspension to really act up till after we bought our car. Because we drive these roads only on occasion, and because we haven't experienced the porpoising others have, we aren't nearly as unhappy as they might be.

I test drove both 2009 V6 & V8 and felt immediately the harsh ride. But I liked the strong, hard feel to the steering and felt that at half the price of comparable cars (IMHO) you just can't beat the Bang for the Buck. Researching a car on the internet is great, attending the Auto shows is very informative, but fellows, you just gotta get behind the wheel and drive the buggy. So no surprises!

I agree a test drive is the best way to go but a test drive isn't necessarilly going to unearth all the bugs in a car, and many dealers limit test drives to a standard loop of their choosing. Not everyone lives in a metropolitan area where they have their pick of dealers to go to.